Select to expand quoteRushInAir said...
saying that its just a bit late for deport progress I suppose, bcuz once upon time your Gov (mine too) needed my help and call me over and gave me citizenship of Australia. 
Select to expand quoteRushInAir said...
Hmm I remember it was Julie!! She made the mistake :)) so blame her for this :) Just bcuz of her you have to put up with idiots like me :))) Thats not fare 
Really sorry Mr 69
Do you think he's got Julia Gillard mixed up with Pauline Hanson? Russian Air seems more like her style of flying the no frontal lobe way.....I wonder what he had to do to get an invite and free citizenship 
Wow!
Such a wrong and broken thread.......in many ways 
To KB Dave, Elliot and a few others......thanks for keeping it real
RushinAir, please stop posting.......
I was there on the day and tried to help 2 beginners in a bad situation,,,,,,,I am only going to talk about what I know to be true, what I saw and what I did.
It was a gusty day approx. 25knts with frontal systems looming in the arvo, I had been out for a couple of hours and kept looking over my shoulder at the clouds rolling in and could feel the wind increasing so I decided to call it a day. As i am returning to shore on a port tack I notice two beginner kiters had crashed and their lines were crossed, so I kite back out to see if they would be able to free themselves and move on. When I first arrive, I discover that Simon's kite is inverted and Geili's seems to be ok, they were both still attached at this stage but moving towards each other with the pull of the kites. The kites were not tangled, the lines were just crossed but, Geili is tangled in Simon's lines and can't tell me where, nor could I see them. I then tack away for a few seconds to assess the downwind area and see that it seems to be clear, so I return and tell both kiters to fully release and note that Simon had already released QR1, but Geili seemed to be still attached to hers.
I grab her board (don't know where his was), took it to shore and returned to find Simon had swum away and she appeared to be free from her kite. My plan was to body drag/tow her closer to shore, as we weren't far away, so someone could grab the kite (cross onshore) and diffuse the situation. Remember, Simon's kite is still inverted and she is still tangled in his lines with a frontal system on top of us!
I repeatedly tell her to grab the back of my harness so I can tow her to shore but she says she can't. All of a sudden Simon's kite starts death looping downwind at an unbelievable speed (11m Nomad, she is prolly 65kg) with this poor girl tangled in the lines. I try to chase after her but remember feeling nothing but despair at not being able to get to her and thinking she is going to drown.....The kite finally stops looping (approx. 500m down the broadwater) and a boat stops to pick her up. Others had already left in a car to find her.
I arrive back at the beach around the same time as the guy's got back with Geili in the car. I expect to find her injured in some way but amazed to see her badly shaken , relatively unharmed, but best of all alive!
I did not know either persons name till I read this thread.......
By the way.....that is not a jump Simon is doing in the video, he is being lofted!
Learn to read weather patterns!!
So Gilly,
If Gerry used her hook knife to cut Simons line she would not have got dragged?
I will remember this for next time I get Kooked.
I love the immigration nazis... odds are real good you're a recent immigrant yourself, relatively speaking.
Select to expand quoteterminal said..antlanglands said..
She was only being dragged after he released his kite ... watch the video
I know the point you were making.
Suggesting that the only first reaction to getting your kite tangled with someone else is definitely to not release the kite and try to start up a conversation?
With experienced kiters that can work in a lot of cases, but with beginners, you might lose the opportunity to release, or the safety system may be getting too twisted to work, during the delay.
Just sayin - it's not a cut and dried situation. Beginners are not always capable of assessing risks in an instant.
Yeah sure of coarse , however its import to get the fact across that , If you release a kite (not flag onto safety) but actually release a kite that is tangled into someone elses gear you are potentially leaving them attached to 2 powered up possibly deathlooping kites.
This is something that I always try to touch on In early stages of a lesson ie kite setup / safety systems and reiterate if at all possible given conditions permit by allowing the student to feel the power of a under powered looping kite , and then talk about how this is a great thing for fun when controlled but also possibly the most likely thing to cause you harm when beginning to kite.
I always say to students concerning the leash release , that its only ever a 1% of situations that you will ever need to use it and my tension breaker here is " Your kites caught on a submarine"
On the subject of line hook knives i wonder how many people have ever tried to use a hook knife thats more than a few weeks of kiting old , I bet alot of people would be surprised , I reckon if half the people who read this try theirs on a piece of string at least 75% of them wont manage to cut it . The razorblades in the hook knives oxidize very quickly and useless once its happened
What's kitesurfing got to do with immigration? Perhaps spew your toxic political views in another backwater redneck forum so we don't have to read them.
Unless you're an aboriginal then you're an immigrant however perhaps in your case you're just ignorant.
There are no borders when in it comes to kitesurfing.
Yes these Immigration Nazis......you need only 2 years of permanent residency and you can apply for Citizenship......I'm also ready for a southern X tattoo after 13 years here on PR!
to the guys/girl involved...get together, discuss it so it never happen again, have a beer, share the cost of the lines and live happily ever after!
I believe a personal respectful discussion resolves more than a anonymous banter here...
CS
Thanks for actively helping Gilly3. Someone did bring my board back to shore (thanks).
There have been some well explained posts in this thread which I've read and learnt from. Thanks.
Select to expand quotelukeapples said..
Unless you're an aboriginal then you're an immigrant
Hahahaha..... what nonsense
Typical Melbourne lefty drivel
Select to expand quotest11 said..
Thanks for actively helping Gilly3. Someone did bring my board back to shore (thanks).
There have been some well explained posts in this thread which I've read and learnt from. Thanks.
i still see what you did as attempted murder. fully releasing a kite while someones entangled in it.
If you genuinely see that as "attempted murder", you're not all that bright are you?
It was an accident. The 2 parties could have resolved it better but the hard **** of a boyfriend made it all but impossible.
Signal to noise ratio on this thread has gone through the roof.
Will the racists clowns please just put a sock in it, there are lessons to be learned here.
As a beginner, If I was Geili and found myself in his lines, regardless of how this came about, I would have ditched my kite and concentrated on getting out of the lines without the pull of my own kite to hinder me.
Does that sound a reasonable thing to do?
Or would releasing my kite just add to the clusterfruck of line in the water?
What would be the best tactic to try and establish how I was tangled and how to resolve it?
How hard would it be to identify the front lines on the kite I was tangled in and pull them in to kill it before it powered up?
Would it be possible to pull myself all the way up to Simon's kite and just ignore all the extra lines around me knowing that as long as the kite is made safe it doesn't matter how many lines are around me, it can be sorted in safety??
In retrospect, it seems that if somebody had of jumped on Simon's kite or deflated it, then all danger would have been diffused and the lines could have been sorted with time and no danger present?
Gilly3, did the thought of deflating either one or both kites ever cross your mind?
You seemed to be quite able to zip around the scene at will in the video, or would you be concerned about getting yourself caught up in a kite if you stopped to try?
Or did you think that Simon's kite would not power up as you took the time to retrieve the board?
I am now paranoid about ever getting caught in another's lines and would do anything to avoid it.
At least if it is my own lines I could follow them and pull them in to kill the kite.
Anybody chime in here with suggestions so I can run them through in my head as a thought experiment so my brain is at least primed to think of them should the situation ever occur.
Don't want to hear about how it got to this situation, that's a different story, just want to hear how I might get out of it should it ever happen to me or what I might be able to do as bystander
How nice would it be to have a small box with a switch on it attached to your harness that when activated released the air from the leading edge?
how is this any different to him driving a boat draging a cargo net getting someone caught in that cargo net then abandoning the ship leaving the person to be dragged and drowned till the boat hits something. its completely and utterly ****ED UP that you disconnected completely from your kite without explaining and getting complete confirmation from the person you had get caught in your lines first that that is what you were going to do.
if she had of died which is quite possible what the **** would your defense be?!?! oh someone else told me to do it?!?!?
The water is everyone's playground. We all love it. Everyone was a beginner. Maybe you should offer Simon some extra lessons yourself and build some bridges. Life's to short for this nonsense. Maybe take them both to a more secluded venue
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
I love the immigration nazis... odds are real good you're a recent immigrant yourself, relatively speaking.
I think you will find that Kiteman is unable to get a passport due to his criminal history. I see him at most of the Brizzy spots. Recons he has never left the country. So I guess he can't be an immigrant. Recons He immigrated from the Hospital in Brizzy to Capalaba.lol
Hes a bit intence but a good bloke all the same. On ya Kite man. You speak your mind oldmate.
Select to expand quoteausmick said..
The water is everyone's playground. We all love it. Everyone was a beginner. Maybe you should offer Simon some extra lessons yourself and build some bridges. Life's to short for this nonsense. Maybe take them both to a more secluded venue
im not going to that cesspitted seedhole that is the gold coast for fifty bucks an hour. if he comes up here then sure why not
First of all it was good that Gilly3 responded fast and was quickly doing what he could to help.
Simon said that it was at the urging of a nearby kiter that he fully released.
Gilly3 says that he urged both kiters to fully release. Geili was tangled in Simon's lines at the time, and Gilly3 says he knew that, so it seems to me, that was a mistake.
There was a lot happening and everyone was trying to do the right thing at the right time under a lot of pressure. Mistakes happen. Best to learn from that and be thankful that the situation ended well all things considered.
Select to expand quoteterminal said..
First of all it was good that Gilly3 responded fast and was quickly doing what he could to help.
Simon said that it was at the urging of a nearby kiter that he fully released.
Gilly3 says that he urged both kiters to fully release. Geili was tangled in Simon's lines at the time, and Gilly3 says he knew that, so it seems to me, that was a mistake.
There was a lot happening and everyone was trying to do the right thing at the right time under a lot of pressure. Mistakes happen. Best to learn from that and be thankful that the situation ended well all things considered.
ORRRRRRRRRRR he released his kite while it was wrapped around someone else nearly killing them.
why is everyone still trying to gloss over this ?
i have had thoughts on how could i kill someone with my kitesurfing equipment and this is NUMBER ONE how could you do it any better? what he did is the absolute best way to murder someone with your kitesurfing equipment.
So Kozzie you are clearly no fool so I'm sure you know murder, attempted or successful requires premeditation. So do you think he planned this?
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So Kozzie you are clearly no fool so I'm sure you know murder, attempted or successful requires premeditation. So do you think he planned this?
mate no need to make it personal
PERSON A drops lines around PERSON B and then ejects his kite completely without acknowledgeing very clearly and concisely to PERSON B that that is what they would be doing then i dont see that as anything BUT intentionally trying to harm someone.
very first rule when shown HOW to release completely from your kite is DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DO THIS IF YOU WILL HARM OTHERS. this RULE was ment with grandma on beach with the nippers in the surf downwind of you in mind BUT haveing the kite lines WRAPPED AROUND SOMEONE AND DOING THIS?!?!?!? its outright ****ing insane!! and i do not see how it is anything but pulling the trigger so to speak WITH PREMEDITATION (albeit it probably 5 seconds of premeditation! PERSON A cant of thought any ****ing longer then that about it!)
Mate, I think you may have forgotten what it is like to be a beginner. Sleep well.
Select to expand quoteKozzie said..Dave Whettingsteel said..
So Kozzie you are clearly no fool so I'm sure you know murder, attempted or successful requires premeditation. So do you think he planned this?
mate no need to make it personal
PERSON A drops lines around PERSON B and then ejects his kite completely without acknowledgeing very clearly and concisely to PERSON B that that is what they would be doing then i dont see that as anything BUT intentionally trying to harm someone.
very first rule when shown HOW to release completely from your kite is DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES DO THIS IF YOU WILL HARM OTHERS. this RULE was ment with grandma on beach with the nippers in the surf downwind of you in mind BUT haveing the kite lines WRAPPED AROUND SOMEONE AND DOING THIS?!?!?!? its outright ****ing insane!! and i do not see how it is anything but pulling the trigger so to speak WITH PREMEDITATION (albeit it probably 5 seconds of premeditation! PERSON A cant of thought any ****ing longer then that about it!)
How is it personal? He's just trying to point out that murder requires motive or premeditation. If it is what you are saying it is, I think it actually falls within the confines of manslaughter, not murder. But that said, the attempted manslaughter victim also had the opportunity to cut loose if she was trapped in the lines, which I am guessing she didn't because of lack of experience or lack of a hook knife which should should be carry. Not blaming her, just pointing out the obvious.
That aside, what you fail to remember is that skill level plays a part in whether you release or not. Same as someone who is driving a car and is inexperienced, the choices they make are unlikely to be the right ones. They break when they should accelerate, etc. This is why beginners are taught to release, because in the absence of experience, they won't know when to release and when to stay connected and being connected is probably a higher risk than the other way around.
On the issue of your grandma and nippers concern on the beach, it would probably be good to point out that having a kite fly towards the deck at 100km/h and hit a nipper would probably break his neck so being attached to the kite and not being able to control it, would probably be just as much risk.
Some of the posters on this thread should **** off back to stabmag - self righteous arseholes who think they've never ****ed up
"Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference"
Seriously....this topic has been way overcooked. Give it a rest!
Fair bloody dinkum. As if the poor bloke wouldn't be feeling bad enough about what happened. Not that he did a whole lot wrong anyway under the circumstances, from my reading of the incident. When you're in danger of getting seriously ****ed up, beginners are taught to release themselves from the kite while they still can. It's easy to say in hindsight exactly what each person should have done, but try seeing things from their point of view. Most likely panicking, submeged in the water, and not completely aware of who's lines are tangled where and how.
Who would have thought a simple incident between two beginners would garner such passionate responses and four pages of posts ... Some people are literally foaming at the mouth over this.
Move on people it was a simple accident caused by inexperience from both parties.
Happens every day at most popular spots......... Just doesn't get foamed over
