What Mao Mclownan did the following day after he got re-elected early this year?
Answer: opened the borders to Eastern States (Vic). It was all about securing the election first.
Why he is saying only April next year?
Because will be around when the Feds will call the Election.
Its all about playing politics, not health.
And for the komrades who think we can be locked forever, this will change when commodities fall to normal prices.
Then a call to "diversify" our WA economy to services, tourism etc. This happened in 2014, 2015, 2016.
I dont recall several media outlets w pieces about lunatics putting Trump tattoos, alas we have a few tattooing the local emperor.
Scary times
The quicker Qld can join NSW and Vic with Covid cases the better, at least then we can look at returning to a relatively normal life. We are living in twilight zone at the moment in Qld, the virus is coming, can't be stopped, just get it over with.
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"A short sharp lockdown", do you mean like Victoria had?
WA is a small population. It's much easier to manage. But if restricting freedom of travel, people being able to use a house they own, attending a funeral, seeing loved ones and killing tourism businesses sounds fine to you. Then I'm thinking WA needs better a education system.
The virus is waiting for you to open. It's unlikely it'll disappear, you can delay it's arrival, by restricting your own freedoms, but it will arrive.
Hmm, spend a week in lock down whilst the contact tracers get on top of it, then open up completely again, no virus. Or let everyone wonder around and spread it, with some half assed restrictions in place, and get to the not so happy place nsw is in now. Locked up long term, virus everywhere.
it was last xmas it became apparent things were going to go south for nsw. She was letting people into an outbreak area for xmas visits. Im not sure where Gladys was educated, but If she cant see why thats a bad thing, and she, the states premier is the shining example of it, perhaps its the nsw education system that needs serious review.
yeah, for sure we have a smaller population, but thats got nothing to do with why we are virus free. the much larger part of WAs population still live in densely populated areas. we're not all on farms. We're virus free because marky mark shuts us down as soon as theres been an infection wondering about. And manages our borders with the other states depending on how their situation is going.
I love the "its coming for ya" attitude, and you are right. The virus will be everywhere eventually. But in the meantime i'd rather lose freedom for a week here and there and open up to the rest of the world when everyone is vaccinated, than sit at home indefinitely, not able to visit anyone, or get out on the water because the virus is running rampant outside.
I think in NSW's defence, Delta was a surprise. I think the rest of Australia are lucky that it wasn't them that got hit with it first as they would have had the same thing happen, WA included.
NSW successfully got rid of previous strains, and I think the premier thought, or only had, the previous approach to go by. Unfortunately Delta spreads quicker, so a slower approach didn't work.
I don't think Gladys is doing a bad job, its just that she doesn't have much to work with. A large population, a huge intake of returning people, and states that have blended borders with NSW.
Its easy to say that they should have shut down hard, easy in hindsight, but I don't think any other state would have done it differently. They are all balancing public opinion, with the economy, with the best way to stop these infections. Its not an easy task. I think if she had done a hard shutdown people would have been complaining it wasn't needed. They had already done that with the previous strains.
It doesn't mean that our PM should force all the states to open up as well. That's just lunacy and if anyone is doing it its just him catering to politics and public opinion.
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I think in NSW's defence, Delta was a surprise. I think the rest of Australia are lucky that it wasn't them that got hit with it first as they would have had the same thing happen, WA included.
NSW successfully got rid of previous strains, and I think the premier thought, or only had, the previous approach to go by. Unfortunately Delta spreads quicker, so a slower approach didn't work.
I don't think Gladys is doing a bad job, its just that she doesn't have much to work with. A large population, a huge intake of returning people, and states that have blended borders with NSW.
Its easy to say that they should have shut down hard, easy in hindsight, but I don't think any other state would have done it differently. They are all balancing public opinion, with the economy, with the best way to stop these infections. Its not an easy task. I think if she had done a hard shutdown people would have been complaining it wasn't needed. They had already done that with the previous strains.
It doesn't mean that our PM should force all the states to open up as well. That's just lunacy and if anyone is doing it its just him catering to politics and public opinion.
If you compare the response to the virus from Gladys and Dan it's pretty clear who handled it better.
Victoria is broken, Melbourne was the world's most liveable city. Two years later it stinks of urine, nurses are urged not to wear their uniforms after hours out of fear of attacks from nazis, the city has been in hard lockdown for the longest time in the world, cases are accelerating at a greater rate than Sydney and the city features on the news every night for all the wrong reasons.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
What's your point?
What's the point? I thought the point was obvious. It's an airline company conspiracy. They sell super cheap flights to Bali. Complimentary champagne, mood lighting. chances are you'll hook up with a girl who's not from Rockingham. Then they've got you for life, BAFing about the planet, his folks her folks...
Select to expand quoteIan K said..Kamikuza said..
What's your point?
What's the point? I thought the point was obvious. It's an airline company conspiracy. They sell super cheap flights to Bali. Complimentary champagne, mood lighting. chances are you'll hook up with a girl who's not from Rockingham. Then they've got you for life, BAFing about the planet, his folks her folks...
Jackass 
Select to expand quoteIan K said..
What's the point? I thought the point was obvious. It's an airline company conspiracy. They sell super cheap flights to Bali. Complimentary champagne, mood lighting. chances are you'll hook up with a girl who's not from Rockingham. Then they've got you for life, BAFing about the planet, his folks her folks...
Hey Ian, this is no place for casual racism. Rockingham people are people too! I think 
Where do you think the future generations are going to come from?
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Things are too quiet in 'general' at times and you can have a thread that is topical but doesn't get bogged down into conspiracy theories. At least I hope so.
Exactly. I don't see any reason to lock this one. Yet. The other ones have all descended into conspiracy/antivax/shouty arguing, hence their locks. We realize with the closing of HW that people are going to want to chat about politics somewhere and 'general' is the next logical place, so we've been pretty lenient (IMHO). But stuff was just getting silly over the last couple of weeks.
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Where do you think the future generations are going to come from?
I don' know I only mentioned Rocky hoping to wind you up. You're not living next door to Mark are you?
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This flitting around the planet on a whim is why families are spread out in the first place. It's only a very recent blip in human history that we can do it...
Get your point but not sure it is the point.
Humans have been migrating all over this planet since ... since humans evolved. Humanity colonized the whole planet by migrating out of east Africa in a process that has been ongoing for the best part of a 100,000 years.
It may be far easier to travel in the last 50 years, but I'd argue the issue is not the ability to travel but the opportunity to.
The only thing that is a blip is having the opportunity to travel removed by administration or governance. It is not often that humanity has not been 'allowed' to travel.
We are not trees or plants. We have legs and have evolved with curiosity and the itch to see what is over the horizon. The concept of nation states and fixed borders isn't very old either. The idea that individuals are prevented from access to a piece of land due purely to a line on a map is even less old.
FN asks why ScoMo wants to open the country. Seems a weird question if he is seriously asking it and I'd suggest the answer is very simple if you look at it from the opposite perspective,
Why doesn't the government want to keep us locked up indefinitely ?
Scomo should hold vaccines and funding from rogue states who refuse to open. There is a point that all states need to agree that we become one country again.
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Scomo should hold vaccines and funding from rogue states who refuse to open. There is a point that all states need to agree that we become one country again.
He's already doing both from Labour ran states, so it wouldn't make a big difference.
Or maybe WA should withhold funding from the rest of Australia ;)
It appears to be missing from this conversation that opening shouldn't be done while lockdowns remain a possible direction.
Lockdowns are far worse than border closings.
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Scomo should hold vaccines and funding from rogue states who refuse to open. There is a point that all states need to agree that we become one country again.
That would be completely counter productive, given said states have said they will open up when vaccination targets are met.
the best thing they could do is make the vaccinations as easy to get as possible in said states. Set up vaccination hubs in peoples faces. At major events (the grand final wouldve been a good oppurtunity). have "vaccination days" at work when a nurse rocks up at work, and vaccinates everyone. I reckon half the "vaccine hesitant" are actually just too lazy, or genuinely too busy to book an appointment.
punishing a state for not wanting to open its borders earlier than they are ready for to other covid infested states isn't going to help the situation at all.
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That would be completely counter productive, given said states have said they will open up when vaccination targets are met.
the best thing they could do is make the vaccinations as easy to get as possible in said states. Set up vaccination hubs in peoples faces. At major events (the grand final wouldve been a good oppurtunity). have "vaccination days" at work when a nurse rocks up at work, and vaccinates everyone. I reckon half the "vaccine hesitant" are actually just too lazy, or genuinely too busy to book an appointment.
punishing a state for not wanting to open its borders earlier than they are ready for to other covid infested states isn't going to help the situation at all.
I applaud Qantas decision to punish WA for keeping the state locked up.
Select to expand quoteKiteboyDave said..Subsonic said..
That would be completely counter productive, given said states have said they will open up when vaccination targets are met.
the best thing they could do is make the vaccinations as easy to get as possible in said states. Set up vaccination hubs in peoples faces. At major events (the grand final wouldve been a good oppurtunity). have "vaccination days" at work when a nurse rocks up at work, and vaccinates everyone. I reckon half the "vaccine hesitant" are actually just too lazy, or genuinely too busy to book an appointment.
punishing a state for not wanting to open its borders earlier than they are ready for to other covid infested states isn't going to help the situation at all.
I applaud Qantas decision to punish WA for keeping the state locked up.
It's not about punishing, it's the practical reality and liability of bringing people into a state where they don't have the option to move around at will. A little difficult to sell and to manage. 
Select to expand quoteKiteboyDave said..Subsonic said..
That would be completely counter productive, given said states have said they will open up when vaccination targets are met.
the best thing they could do is make the vaccinations as easy to get as possible in said states. Set up vaccination hubs in peoples faces. At major events (the grand final wouldve been a good oppurtunity). have "vaccination days" at work when a nurse rocks up at work, and vaccinates everyone. I reckon half the "vaccine hesitant" are actually just too lazy, or genuinely too busy to book an appointment.
punishing a state for not wanting to open its borders earlier than they are ready for to other covid infested states isn't going to help the situation at all.
I applaud Qantas decision to punish WA for keeping the state locked up.
Punishment?
Qantas has no choice. It won't be viable. WA will open when ready. I hope it's after NSW and Victoria let it rip and the next wave is out of puff. April next feels about right.
The backwater should and will be punished by the dominant and superior eastern states.
I went to Perth once and thought the place was twee.
Full of uneducated bogans with huge chips on their shoulders, probably because they are just so isolated from civilisation and live in an overly policed and corrupt 'Rolf Harris' state.
Looking at their fashion and eating at some of their crappy restaurants I estimated that they must be 5 years behind even sh1t towns in eastern states.
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Looking at their fashion and eating at some of their crappy restaurants I estimated that they must be 5 years behind even sh1t towns in eastern states.
yep, checks out, no covid 5 years ago.
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I think in NSW's defence, Delta was a surprise. I think the rest of Australia are lucky that it wasn't them that got hit with it first as they would have had the same thing happen, WA included.
Its easy to say that they should have shut down hard, easy in hindsight, but I don't think any other state would have done it differently.
Well WA did it differently with exactly the same scenario. Three delta cases in late June. WA locked down straight away and the result is 12 days of lockdown for the whole pandemic.
Before that, we locked down for one case of delta in February because the evidence of transmissibility was pretty clear.
more to NSW's defence, they were following the Commonwealth playbook and their previous approach had worked.
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The backwater should and will be punished by the dominant and superior eastern states.
I went to Perth once and thought the place was twee.
Full of uneducated bogans with huge chips on their shoulders, probably because they are just so isolated from civilisation and live in an overly policed and corrupt 'Rolf Harris' state.
Looking at their fashion and eating at some of their crappy restaurants I estimated that they must be 5 years behind even sh1t towns in eastern states.
You post this and you think it is WA with a chip on its shoulder. Hilarious.
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The backwater should and will be punished by the dominant and superior eastern states.
I went to Perth once and thought the place was twee.
Full of uneducated bogans with huge chips on their shoulders, probably because they are just so isolated from civilisation and live in an overly policed and corrupt 'Rolf Harris' state.
Looking at their fashion and eating at some of their crappy restaurants I estimated that they must be 5 years behind even sh1t towns in eastern states.
Thanks for confirming that you're just here to troll again.
I've see number plates in WA from Victoria
With the education state on them
These are the clever ones
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I've see number plates in WA from Victoria
With the education state on them
These are the clever ones
WA the Rolf Harris State
Select to expand quoteKiteboyDave said..cauncy said..
I've see number plates in WA from Victoria
With the education state on them
These are the clever ones
WA the Rolf Harris State
Are you ok Dave? Bored in lockdown? Feel the need to attempt to antagonise folks on the intywebs by saying silly and nasty thing?
We've been here before and when your gone, no doubts we'll be here again.
Half the reason the government wants us to open up is to get the planes off the ground again.
Billions and billions of dollars of planes globally that are not being maintained properly as their is no income.... just sitting in hangars and open air runways with bearings rusting and fuel lines clogging up...
I will be happy when we open up for sure once everyone is vaccinated but I certainly will not be getting on a long haul flight for at least 6-12 months after once all the planes have had money spent and maintenance done on them.
Im serious you want to jump on a plane from Australia to London that's had 2 flights in 24 months ....
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Half the reason the government wants us to open up is to get the planes off the ground again.
Billions and billions of dollars of planes globally that are not being maintained properly as their is no income.... just sitting in hangars and open air runways with bearings rusting and fuel lines clogging up...
I will be happy when we open up for sure once everyone is vaccinated but I certainly will not be getting on a long haul flight for at least 6-12 months after once all the planes have had money spent and maintenance done on them.
Im serious you want to jump on a plane from Australia to London that's had 2 flights in 24 months ....
You have absolutely no idea of aircraft maintenance and how it is carried out. There is scheduled hourly maintenance and calendar maintence. If the aircraft flys 10 hours, certain maintenance must be carried out, but even if the aircraft doesn't fly, every week, month etc the calendar maintenance must be carried out.
I'm an aircraft maintenance engineer, there hasn't been any downtime for engineers during lockdowns, crews are still running aircraft weekly and carrying out maintenance as required. The aircraft are in better condition now than before the pandemic as the crews have time to get all the faults fixed.
