Can COVID vaccinations be mandated by employers on health and safety grounds?
[130] The short answer to this question, in almost every case, is no.
[131] The fundamental starting point here is the answer to the question - what is the risk? All risk controls are (or should be) designed to address an identified risk. The risk needs to be a real risk and not a perceived risk. The real risk for employers is that a person who has COVID will spread COVID to others within the workplace.
[132] The risk of spreading COVID only arises with a person who has COVID. This should be apparent and obvious. There is no risk associated with a person who is unvaccinated and does not have COVID, notwithstanding the misleading statements by politicians that the unvaccinated are a significant threat to the vaccinated, supposedly justifying "locking out the unvaccinated from society" and denying them the ability to work.
[133] The primary duty of care for employers under health and safety law requires the employer to ensure health and safety so far as is reasonably practicable by eliminating risks to health and safety, and if this is not reasonably practicable, risks must be minimised so far as is reasonably practicable.
[134] There is nothing controversial in stating that vaccines do not eliminate the risk of COVID, given that those who are vaccinated can catch and transmit COVID. By way of one example, a report issued by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the United States on 6 August 2021 25 looked at an outbreak of COVID in Massachusetts during July 2021. Of the 469 COVID cases identified, 74% were fully vaccinated. Of this group, 79% were symptomatic. In total, 5 people required hospitalisation and of these, 4 were fully vaccinated. This is not an anomaly - the data from many countries and other parts of the United States provides a similar picture, although obtaining similar data from the United States will now be problematic given the decision by the CDC on 1 May 2021 to cease monitoring and recording breakthrough case information unless the person is hospitalised or dies. What is clear, however, is that the vaccine is not an effective control measure to deal with transmission of COVID by itself.
Why is it that anti vaxers just have to keep banging on & on &on ? It's all ways the same dribble, on a forum or on the street. Really the vast majority don't care for for it. Get vaxed or don't and take your chances and shut up !
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Why is it that anti vaxers just have to keep banging on & on &on ? It's all ways the same dribble, on a forum or on the street. Really the vast majority don't care for for it. Get vaxed or don't and take your chances and shut up !
The problem is Mark kicked Jenny then told Jenny it's Mike's fault. Jenny did everything Mark said but he continues to kick her while she's down. Mark wants to kick Mike but he doesn't need to, Jenny is already doing that.
TRUST THE SCIENCE.
BIG PHARMA HAS YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART.
www.ncnp.org/journal-of-medicine/1785-you-will-not-believe-the-outrageous-ways-big-pharma-has-bribed-doctors-to-shill-drugs.html
Blue Cross Blue Shield said that Pfizer jetted 5,000 doctors to Caribbean resorts where they enjoyed massages, golf and $2,000 honoraria to try to increase prescriptions for its painkiller Bextra-a drug that proved so unsafe it was withdrawn from the market in 2005 for heart risks. (Hmmm, something sounds familiar...)
The Justice Department charged that GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) "paid millions to doctors to promote Wellbutrin, approved at the time for depression, for off-label uses by funding meetings, sometimes at lavish resorts," according to CBS News.
Off-label uses ignore FDA approved indications in favor of whatever Pharma wants to say to sell a drug. In China, GSK was charged with being even more brazen-employing a network of 700 middlemen and travel agencies and sex workers to convince doctors to prescribe its drugs.
Johnson & Johnson wined and dined Texas Medicaid officials, charged state authorities, treating them to trips, perks and honoraria to get its expensive antipsychotic drug Risperdal preferred status on the state formulary where it would be paid for by taxpayers. (Taxpayers were also bilked by the Department of Veterans Affairs expenditure of $717 million on Risperdal only to discover the drug worked no better than a placebo.)
Novartis to Pay $678 Million to Settle Doctor-Bribe Claims www.bnnbloomberg.ca/novartis-to-pay-678-million-to-settle-doctor-bribe-claims-1.1459535
GlaxoSmithKline fined $3bn after bribing doctors to increase drugs saleswww.theguardian.com/business/2012/jul/03/glaxosmithkline-fined-bribing-doctors-pharmaceuticalsThe pharmaceutical group GlaxoSmithKline has been fined $3bn (?1.9bn) after admitting bribing doctors and encouraging the prescription of unsuitable antidepressants to children.
If you're terminally ill and the doctor suggests something that can save you, even you will trust big pharma.
As previously advised, Seabreeze is to be used for pain relief.
It's a place away from the "heavy duty" part of the world, and a place to discuss Watersports.
This "General Discussion" forum is for light hearted topics.
If you want to discuss anti-vax, conspiracy, religion, politics, there are a million sites on the internet to go get involved. Seabreeze ain't one of them.
Seabreeze is a Watersports site, an escape from the worries of the world. A place to discuss the water sports you do for fun.
Thanks.
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