Select to expand quoteeppo said..
1250, 1000, 800 and maybe a 650 (don't quote me on that).
the 1250 rides a bit more like the 1550 size / area wise. 1000 more like the 1250 - or a tad under as my mate said when he rode it.
so go a size smaller compared to the HS basically.
add in the new modulus mast which will transfer the wings power far more directly. The old land wiggle test compared to the A plus mast is noticeable torsion stiffness. Compared to my original, the original feels like a pool noodle.
oscar was saying the new 935 mast there is a signdidant difference in torsion control and incrrased speed on the water. Far easier to pump.
everyone is after a stiffer mast, but listening to Oscar and armie there is a whole lot more to it than just making a stiff mast. You still want it reactive at certain tilts and mast depths.
Not that I got what materials and shape engineering took this into account. Way over my head. But there is some different materials and shape voodoo across it's entire length.
Thanks for the informations Eppo!
The point is that I wanted a wing MA to maybe replace my HA525 & HA725. So it looks I will have to wait.
Select to expand quoteeddshep said..
It's pretty funny, we went to that event all pissy and ready to jump ship, but left pretty much throwing all our money at them :D
One thing to add was Oskar was saying the 1250 version was quick to accelerate off a dockstart, rather than getting bogged down at the slow speed. If that wing can go off the dock, the 1000 should be pretty amazing in the surf.
Has anyone heard anything about new tails to match? I haven't, but not sure whether to get a 195 now, or wait and buy something that matches.
No nothing on the tails except to say when I rode with armie he had a prototype on there and was liking it. I know they are bringing out a tail to match the MA evolution and it will come in a few sizes. That's all I know.
long time until Christmas - I'd get a 195. Personally it's all I use now. Still be a relevant tail to the MA.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..eddshep said..
It's pretty funny, we went to that event all pissy and ready to jump ship, but left pretty much throwing all our money at them :D
One thing to add was Oskar was saying the 1250 version was quick to accelerate off a dockstart, rather than getting bogged down at the slow speed. If that wing can go off the dock, the 1000 should be pretty amazing in the surf.
Has anyone heard anything about new tails to match? I haven't, but not sure whether to get a 195 now, or wait and buy something that matches.
No nothing on the tails except to say when I rode with armie he had a prototype on there and was liking it. I know they are bringing out a tail to match the MA evolution and it will come in a few sizes. That's all I know.
long time until Christmas - I'd get a 195. Personally it's all I use now. Still be a relevant tail to the MA.
Thanks Eppo, that's interesting. I might look out for a second hand one for now :)
Eppo or anyone else who was at the recent Armstrong talk; was there any word if the latest A+ masts (I don't mean the new Performance masts) have gotten new lay ups to be stiffer/stronger than the early A+ versions or V2s? Just curious as I swear my 85A+ mast is stiffer and heavier than the previous one (Non-A+) I owned but never had the chance to ride back to back. I may have asked this question somewhere else but don't recall if it got answered. Also looking at the pic of Oskar's MA foil with the 1250 stripes on it, it looks like the underside of the wing has some concave built in, similar to Lift and some of the custom KD Maui foils I've seen. Is this the case? Cheers.
No mention of new lay ups on the A plus mast.
I can vouch that the A plus is way stiffer than the original. I still use the original. Son has A plus. Both the beach Torsion test and in the water is very noticeable.
yes you are right about the concave on the pressure side. Armie talked at length about the relationship between this concave (where it starts, finishes, the degree of concave, and how the rest of the pressure side design works with it).
the main thing he talked about was the more concave the flatter the non pressure side has to be. There is an optimal cost benefit relationship here.
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..
Eppo or anyone else who was at the recent Armstrong talk; was there any word if the latest A+ masts (I don't mean the new Performance masts) have gotten new lay ups to be stiffer/stronger than the early A+ versions or V2s? Just curious as I swear my 85A+ mast is stiffer and heavier than the previous one (Non-A+) I owned but never had the chance to ride back to back. I may have asked this question somewhere else but don't recall if it got answered. Also looking at the pic of Oskar's MA foil with the 1250 stripes on it, it looks like the underside of the wing has some concave built in, similar to Lift and some of the custom KD Maui foils I've seen. Is this the case? Cheers.
A+85 = 300g heavier than original 85 and yes it is stiffer
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
No mention of new lay ups on the A plus mast.
I can vouch that the A plus is way stiffer than the original. I still use the original. Son has A plus. Both the beach Torsion test and in the water is very noticeable.
yes you are right about the concave on the pressure side. Armie talked at length about the relationship between this concave (where it starts, finishes, the degree of concave, and how the rest of the pressure side design works with it).
the main thing he talked about was the more concave the flatter the non pressure side has to be. There is an optimal cost benefit relationship here.
Gong has been playing with those concave undersides for a while now.
Beg,borrow and steal.Like blues licks :)
Select to expand quotemcrt said..eppo said..
No mention of new lay ups on the A plus mast.
I can vouch that the A plus is way stiffer than the original. I still use the original. Son has A plus. Both the beach Torsion test and in the water is very noticeable.
yes you are right about the concave on the pressure side. Armie talked at length about the relationship between this concave (where it starts, finishes, the degree of concave, and how the rest of the pressure side design works with it).
the main thing he talked about was the more concave the flatter the non pressure side has to be. There is an optimal cost benefit relationship here.
Gong has been playing with those concave undersides for a while now.
Beg,borrow and steal.Like blues licks :)
Original Slingshot wing had it too, called undercamber in the aviation world. Adds lift at the expense of drag and reduced pitch stability.
Not exactly intellectual theft by any of them so much as experimentation.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
Original Slingshot wing had it too, called undercamber in the aviation world. Adds lift at the expense of drag and reduced pitch stability.
Not exactly intellectual theft by any of them so much as experimentation.
Should also lower the stall speed that spanks so many of us on the Army HA foils in the surf in turbulent/wonkey water states. Betting pitch stability will also be much better than the HA foils with the extra chord and design features. Love my HA foils for winging and clean surf but can't wait to try the MA.
Kobo wrote: "A+85 = 300g heavier than original 85 and yes it is stiffer"
Do you know when that change took place? I have an early A+ mast that weighs 1700g, wondering if has the stiffer layup.
Armstrong lists an 85 at 1500 g which doesn't sound right.
Thanks
Select to expand quoteSeattleKook said..
Kobo wrote: "A+85 = 300g heavier than original 85 and yes it is stiffer"
Do you know when that change took place? I have an early A+ mast that weighs 1700g, wondering if has the stiffer layup.
Armstrong lists an 85 at 1500 g which doesn't sound right.
Thanks
No sorry I don't know for sure , Armstrong told me that the A+ was beefed up for the wider HA wings , so I assumed all the A+ were the new layup.
Select to expand quotemcrt said..eppo said..
No mention of new lay ups on the A plus mast.
I can vouch that the A plus is way stiffer than the original. I still use the original. Son has A plus. Both the beach Torsion test and in the water is very noticeable.
yes you are right about the concave on the pressure side. Armie talked at length about the relationship between this concave (where it starts, finishes, the degree of concave, and how the rest of the pressure side design works with it).
the main thing he talked about was the more concave the flatter the non pressure side has to be. There is an optimal cost benefit relationship here.
Gong has been playing with those concave undersides for a while now.
Beg,borrow and steal.Like blues licks :)
You goong folk are like a Cult lol.
All the foil sections were designed like a 100years ago. There isnt anything new, just different combination of ingredients.
My apologies I posted this is the wrong thread. For those that weren't at the talks - this podcast covers it all and some further information.
Select to expand quoteSeattleKook said..
Kobo wrote: "A+85 = 300g heavier than original 85 and yes it is stiffer"
Do you know when that change took place? I have an early A+ mast that weighs 1700g, wondering if has the stiffer layup.
Armstrong lists an 85 at 1500 g which doesn't sound right.
Thanks
To me, it looks like the mast weights on the website are for the first gen. They list a 72cm as 1350g, which is about right weighing one I've had, whereas a new A+ 72cm comes in at about 1600g, which would seem to indicate its beefed up as reported.
To me, some of the curves around the mast/baseplate connection look different as well.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
My apologies I posted this is the wrong thread. For those that weren't at the talks - this podcast covers it all and some further information.
Thanks Eppo, sounds like the foil Armie showed you at the talk is old news already! ha ha. I think he said he is already 2 or 3 protos past that one. including his secret one that he doesn't want to show anyone 
. As hard as it is to wait for the new gear, I love that Armie wants to make completely sure that any new gear is going to be "next level" over the older stuff. If that means we get a similar performance boost for the HS's like the CF's did it's going to be insane!
Select to expand quoteAbout new performance mast 2023 I think confirmed size will be 795-935-1035 isn't it?
Select to expand quotemotogon said..
Where? I don't see it on Armstrong website.
Not officially announced yet.
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..motogon said..
Where? I don't see it on Armstrong website.
Not officially announced yet.
It was somewhere on Facebook I think. I could not find it again but had taken a screenshot to send. Looks like someone put it up when they shouldn't, and are now on the Naughty Step.
MrBennetts is ripping the bag out on an unspecified wing.I wonder what it could be?
www.instagram.com/reel/Clml32hAmw-/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Select to expand quotemcrt said..eppo said..
No mention of new lay ups on the A plus mast.
I can vouch that the A plus is way stiffer than the original. I still use the original. Son has A plus. Both the beach Torsion test and in the water is very noticeable.
yes you are right about the concave on the pressure side. Armie talked at length about the relationship between this concave (where it starts, finishes, the degree of concave, and how the rest of the pressure side design works with it).
the main thing he talked about was the more concave the flatter the non pressure side has to be. There is an optimal cost benefit relationship here.
Gong has been playing with those concave undersides for a while now.
Beg,borrow and steal.Like blues licks :)
OF COURSE...GONG lol
Got told new MA officially on sale 15 Dec, so no doubt some will start appearing very soon, got the 1225 on order
Select to expand quotekitemantim said..
Got told new MA officially on sale 15 Dec, so no doubt some will start appearing very soon, got the 1225 on order
Good to hear. Might my 1000 by then. Try the new 795 out Tomoz fingers crossed for wind
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
MrBennetts is ripping the bag out on an unspecified wing.I wonder what it could be?
www.instagram.com/reel/Clml32hAmw-/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
MA 800,
Can order them now at WA Surf
I've got the 800 and 1000 on order. Second guessing the 1000, but I'm thinking that will be my prone weapon and the 800 will be wing/wave ripper. Someone take my bank info cut me off! 
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
I've got the 800 and 1000 on order. Second guessing the 1000, but I'm thinking that will be my prone weapon and the 800 will be wing/wave ripper. Someone take my bank info cut me off!
Ditto. Don't forget about the new Armstrong proto wings (sails).
Select to expand quotewanabxtrm said..
What's pricing on the 1225 pre-order?
Think it's $1200 nz for mine but still to be confirmed due to exchange rate next week
