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Armstrong MA foil range - any details yet?

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Created by RJFoil > 9 months ago, 3 Oct 2022
Goofcat
270 posts
8 Aug 2023 8:25AM
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I asked a few pages back about getting a MA1000 for my wife who is struggling to gybe on her HA925. Finally got the MA1000 this weekend. She nailed 3 out of 4 of her first gybe attempts! She is super stoked, and chomping at the bit to get in the water again.

Now, as a 90KG + dude, do I need the next size up? Currently I'm on the HA 1125, 80 mast, 60 fuze and 195 tail (blue shim), 90L board. Foiling in Maui.

What's the benefit between the 195 tail to the new ones mentioned above?

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
9 Aug 2023 7:11AM
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The MA range is really good if not the best winging wing on the market right now. good choice.

yeh i'd say the 1225 for your weight. ride with buddies at that weight and the 1225 is the go. pitch control with the 195 and the 1225 is not great. id be getting the 180 speed tail as well and use a red shim. even a red and blue for winging. be a great combo and close to the 195 tail but with much better pitch control and turns are more controlled.

keep your 1000 for when it's really blowing. but your girl will prob want a 800 then

kiwiupover
178 posts
9 Aug 2023 1:05PM
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MA 1750 + 235 tail is much more fun winging with a shim. Did the blue pill today. Will try the red pill soon :-)

MidAtlanticFoil
818 posts
9 Aug 2023 8:48PM
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Had another 1000 + 140 session yesterday on the river, riding my 6'3" DW board and 4.6M XPS wing. What a freakin fun setup! Wind was sideshore at 12-18 knts with tide ebbing, setting up some nice clean knee high bumps. I kept tacking way upwind then heading downwind and just power carving through the troughs the entire time on broad reaches. The narrowness of the DW board and the freed up feeling of the 140 is a great combo. Just the deepest pow carves left and right on repeat for miles. Definitely not an easy setup for gybes, as it can be twitchy if you don't commit to your angles. Any hiccups can cause a loss of speed and increased instability. But when you are hanging on to the wing powered, it just goes wherever you want!

Windoc
442 posts
9 Aug 2023 11:23PM
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Goofcat said..
I asked a few pages back about getting a MA1000 for my wife who is struggling to gybe on her HA925. Finally got the MA1000 this weekend. She nailed 3 out of 4 of her first gybe attempts! She is super stoked, and chomping at the bit to get in the water again.

Now, as a 90KG + dude, do I need the next size up? Currently I'm on the HA 1125, 80 mast, 60 fuze and 195 tail (blue shim), 90L board. Foiling in Maui.

What's the benefit between the 195 tail to the new ones mentioned above?


I'm 90kg+ as well. Agree with the advice to get the 1225 and Speed 180 tail. The 195 is not great (pitch control feels terrible) on the 1225 unless you resort to neg shimming. Go Red or blue shim on 1225/180, 60 fuse. 50 fuse wakes up the rig even more for playful/reactive turning. Mast way forward feels best on MAs. The jump to a MA1475 feels much bigger than you'd expect. The 1225 keeps a pretty amazing level of wind range, speed, turning, and decent glide. I'd say it's the most well rounded of the MAs I've tried.

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
10 Aug 2023 1:01PM
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Windoc said..

Goofcat said..
I asked a few pages back about getting a MA1000 for my wife who is struggling to gybe on her HA925. Finally got the MA1000 this weekend. She nailed 3 out of 4 of her first gybe attempts! She is super stoked, and chomping at the bit to get in the water again.

Now, as a 90KG + dude, do I need the next size up? Currently I'm on the HA 1125, 80 mast, 60 fuze and 195 tail (blue shim), 90L board. Foiling in Maui.

What's the benefit between the 195 tail to the new ones mentioned above?



I'm 90kg+ as well. Agree with the advice to get the 1225 and Speed 180 tail. The 195 is not great (pitch control feels terrible) on the 1225 unless you resort to neg shimming. Go Red or blue shim on 1225/180, 60 fuse. 50 fuse wakes up the rig even more for playful/reactive turning. Mast way forward feels best on MAs. The jump to a MA1475 feels much bigger than you'd expect. The 1225 keeps a pretty amazing level of wind range, speed, turning, and decent glide. I'd say it's the most well rounded of the MAs I've tried.


agreed on the last sentence. 800ma is a towing weapon and fun in the surf to. it's the 1000 that has me scratching my head somewhat.

Oahuwaterwalker
293 posts
11 Aug 2023 1:31PM
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I agree with MidA, 1000 and 140 are a lot of fun.

Separately, the 800 and 140 are not. I've ridden the HA525 a lot and feel the 800/140 combo is less stable than the 525/195.

My go to with the 800 is the 180.

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
11 Aug 2023 9:46PM
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Oahuwaterwalker said..
I agree with MidA, 1000 and 140 are a lot of fun.

Separately, the 800 and 140 are not. I've ridden the HA525 a lot and feel the 800/140 combo is less stable than the 525/195.

My go to with the 800 is the 180.


for what discipline and conditions. changed for us tail front wing combo depending on what we are doing and what conditions. we had the 800/725 and the 205/180/195 combos all out on one day the other day - towing varying wave types. was interesting what works with what.

MidAtlanticFoil
818 posts
12 Aug 2023 1:20AM
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Yeah Oahu, Tati Grant would agree with you regarding the 800/180 combo:

www.instagram.com/reel/CvnqoVGxR62/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Im not sure that I've tried that combo yet. Can't wait for fall season over here.

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
12 Aug 2023 11:42AM
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MidAtlanticFoil said..
Yeah Oahu, Tati Grant would agree with you regarding the 800/180 combo:

www.instagram.com/reel/CvnqoVGxR62/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Im not sure that I've tried that combo yet. Can't wait for fall season over here.



My son Antman rips as hard as the best of them (not biased or anything). This is what we found. in the real critical stuff - when he's doing his carving airs / floaters etc - the 800/205 was the best. Also the critical stuff normally equates to large reef ledges hence some turbulence. The 800/205 dumbs everybting down for ease use when the waves power and shape is all you need.


changing to the 180 tail - in the critical stuff it took a lot more adjustment and he had to toned down his riding a bit. But - pump and link we greatly improved - so we headed to a less critical open ocean type wave - slower roller - were able to glide and ride - turn and burn better.




We then put the 725 on .. and this amplified even further. went further out to sea and towed into some real large slow rollers that eventually broke into a
reef wave closer in.




we then took the 725/180 further north to another much more critical reef break off a large point. Tide was out a bit so she was heaving at bit. This combo wasn't real nice to use in this situation. Put tha 800 back on . much better. put the 205 back on .. and perfect.



anyhow you get the idea.

MidAtlanticFoil
818 posts
12 Aug 2023 3:47PM
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eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
Yeah Oahu, Tati Grant would agree with you regarding the 800/180 combo:

www.instagram.com/reel/CvnqoVGxR62/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Im not sure that I've tried that combo yet. Can't wait for fall season over here.




My son Antman rips as hard as the best of them (not biased or anything). This is what we found. in the real critical stuff - when he's doing his carving airs / floaters etc - the 800/205 was the best. Also the critical stuff normally equates to large reef ledges hence some turbulence. The 800/205 dumbs everybting down for ease use when the waves power and shape is all you need.


changing to the 180 tail - in the critical stuff it took a lot more adjustment and he had to toned down his riding a bit. But - pump and link we greatly improved - so we headed to a less critical open ocean type wave - slower roller - were able to glide and ride - turn and burn better.




We then put the 725 on .. and this amplified even further. went further out to sea and towed into some real large slow rollers that eventually broke into a
reef wave closer in.




we then took the 725/180 further north to another much more critical reef break off a large point. Tide was out a bit so she was heaving at bit. This combo wasn't real nice to use in this situation. Put tha 800 back on . much better. put the 205 back on .. and perfect.



anyhow you get the idea.


Great! Thanks for sharing. Will definitely have to compare the 205 and 180 next session.

Oahuwaterwalker
293 posts
13 Aug 2023 3:25AM
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eppo said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
Yeah Oahu, Tati Grant would agree with you regarding the 800/180 combo:

www.instagram.com/reel/CvnqoVGxR62/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Im not sure that I've tried that combo yet. Can't wait for fall season over here.




My son Antman rips as hard as the best of them (not biased or anything). This is what we found. in the real critical stuff - when he's doing his carving airs / floaters etc - the 800/205 was the best. Also the critical stuff normally equates to large reef ledges hence some turbulence. The 800/205 dumbs everybting down for ease use when the waves power and shape is all you need.


changing to the 180 tail - in the critical stuff it took a lot more adjustment and he had to toned down his riding a bit. But - pump and link we greatly improved - so we headed to a less critical open ocean type wave - slower roller - were able to glide and ride - turn and burn better.




We then put the 725 on .. and this amplified even further. went further out to sea and towed into some real large slow rollers that eventually broke into a
reef wave closer in.




we then took the 725/180 further north to another much more critical reef break off a large point. Tide was out a bit so she was heaving at bit. This combo wasn't real nice to use in this situation. Put tha 800 back on . much better. put the 205 back on .. and perfect.



anyhow you get the idea.


This makes a lot of sense to me. The best days I've had on the 800 were when the waves were steep and had some power to them. For the days where the wave intervals are lower, the HA series (especially the 725) is more fun.



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