Select to expand quotewingedsurfer said..
Thanks for the answer Eppo, yes for winging. i'm 60 kg, your son is a good reference even though i'm far from hos level ??
Ah the 800 is very easy and intuitive to use when winging. I would suggest the 205 as well - although the 195 does add some speed and spice - the 205 is a great combo. Ive seen an 80kg, 50 plis yr old winger rip waves apart on the 800.
if its any consolation i was also towed in as well by my son - (and had never used the 800 before) but funny enough no pictures were worth keeping. Bahahababbababbababababbaba
but it was very intuitive and easy to use. Actually we had the 195 ha tail first and that wasnt easy - 205 made it aaesome. So yeh 205 tail is the go.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..marco said..
Greetings from the Armstrong Foils team (just received and email)
We're stoked to let you know that our new MA1750, 1475 and 625 foil sizes will be released publicly soon!
The 1750 and 1475 offer a boost to the range for larger riders and those seeking to push their lightwind winging and downwinding game. The 625 brings incredible speed and manoeuvrability to tow surfing and freestyle winging.
Yeh he would have prefered the 625ma. He said in new zealand this was the ultimate towing foil.
Oh and he rock started both the 1750 and 1475 - loved them both. They just pumped and pumped and pumped ..
Select to expand quoteeppo said..wingedsurfer said..
Thanks for the answer Eppo, yes for winging. i'm 60 kg, your son is a good reference even though i'm far from hos level ??
Ah the 800 is very easy and intuitive to use when winging. I would suggest the 205 as well - although the 195 does add some speed and spice - the 205 is a great combo. Ive seen an 80kg, 50 plis yr old winger rip waves apart on the 800.
if its any consolation i was also towed in as well by my son - (and had never used the 800 before) but funny enough no pictures were worth keeping. Bahahababbababbababababbaba
but it was very intuitive and easy to use. Actually we had the 195 ha tail first and that wasnt easy - 205 made it aaesome. So yeh 205 tail is the go.
I totally agree, the 800 with the 205 is surprisingly easy to ride. The 205 adds more pitch stability that is lacking a little with the 195. I'm currently using the 205 with a +1 shim.
eI mentioned this before, but I find the 800 takes a little more wind or longer gusts than the 725 to get on foil. While it may sound counterintuitive, the "physics" are this... from 0-5mph (approximate t to demonstrate the point) the 800 has more drag that it needs to overcome before it starts to release. You either need a higher level base-wind or you need a longer gust. Having minimal drag, the 725 can transfer the energy from a short gust more efficiently so it quickly accelerates past this early take off phase and you're up while the 800 needs another 2-3 seconds of a strong gust. Once you're past the 0-5 phase, they both get on foil in the same amount of wind. Once up, I find the 725 is more forgiving in transitions and will glide through holes a little better than the 800.
All this said, I've ridden the 800 in everything from knee to double overhead surf and it's incredibly fun for waves. The 205 increases the rail to rail turning over the 195. On smaller or lighter days, I'm starting to use the MA1000 instead of the 725. I caught a few waves last week that were 2-4 foot overhead with the MA1000 and it was totally doable (the 800 is definitely more fun, but in light wind...).
Since 99% of the riding I do is chasing swells or waves, the only time I'm thinking about the 725 anymore is if I want to try all out speed. That said, there is no question that it also rips in surf, its just that the 800 is easier and wants to turn and carve hard rail to rail, where the 725 feels ever so slightly stiff in comparison. Again, this is not in any way to suggest that the 725 isn't amazing in surf, but after a several dozen sessions on the 800 I'm using my 725 less and less.
Select to expand quotewingedsurfer said..
Eppo what about the new upcoming pump&glide dedicated foil?
Thats stil a work in progress at the moment - but apparently work is happening on it nevertheless. Infact a local lad is an integral part of the design team. Was proning with him the other day. Not releasing a name of course. There is also talk of some other things i cant even mention right now. ??which trust me is a shame.
ohau described the 800/205 combo perfectly above imo. It really is a superb winging wing combo in waves and a decent towing wing to.
Preordered a 1475. I hope there isn't too much overlap with my HA1325. Got it for progressing in my DW journey.
Preordered a 1475. I hope there isn't too much overlap with my HA1325. Got it for progressing in my DW journey.
I am trying to figure out if a MA foil will help my wife. She is 50KG, 100% winging, working on gybes, only completing about 10% of the time on her strong side. 90L board, 925HA with 300 tail, 72 mast, 60 fuse. Usually winging in 15-25kt winds. She started on a HS1550 v1 with the 300 tail. Switched to the 925, tried the 195 and the 232 tail but likes the 300.
Any suggestions on gear changes that can help with the gybing?
Select to expand quoteGoofcat said..
I am trying to figure out if a MA foil will help my wife. She is 50KG, 100% winging, working on gybes, only completing about 10% of the time on her strong side. 90L board, 925HA with 300 tail, 72 mast, 60 fuse. Usually winging in 15-25kt winds. She started on a HS1550 v1 with the 300 tail. Switched to the 925, tried the 195 and the 232 tail but likes the 300.
Any suggestions on gear changes that can help with the gybing?
making her learn to gybe on a 925 - are you a
masochist lol!!
The 1000ma would be the ideal substitue for the 925. Eventually though at 50kg she will be on an 800 ma in those wind conditions. The ma series is eons easier than the HA series. Words cannot describe how mucn easier to learn to gybe thats for aure
Just hurry up and buy them, test them, report back then I'll decide if I want one or not 
Select to expand quotekoobzilla said..
Any dockstart potential on that 1750?
I ordered one for just that purpose (as well as DW). The numbers are very close to the Axis PNG1150, which is probably the most popular dock start foil available.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Goofcat said..
I am trying to figure out if a MA foil will help my wife. She is 50KG, 100% winging, working on gybes, only completing about 10% of the time on her strong side. 90L board, 925HA with 300 tail, 72 mast, 60 fuse. Usually winging in 15-25kt winds. She started on a HS1550 v1 with the 300 tail. Switched to the 925, tried the 195 and the 232 tail but likes the 300.
Any suggestions on gear changes that can help with the gybing?
making her learn to gybe on a 925 - are you a
masochist lol!!
The 1000ma would be the ideal substitue for the 925. Eventually though at 50kg she will be on an 800 ma in those wind conditions. The ma series is eons easier than the HA series. Words cannot describe how mucn easier to learn to gybe thats for aure
No kidding, the HA925 is a tricky foil! I bet she would love the MA1225. I have the 1000 and 1225 and they are both incredible. The 1225 is such a great all rounder and pumps like a dream. Save your marriage and get her one of those!
Oh man, should I be getting the 1750 instead of the 1475 for learning SUP DW? I'm worried the 1475 will have too much overlap with my HA1325. I'm 65kgs on an 86L DW board. I'm decent at linking bumps DWing with the 1325.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Oh man, should I be getting the 1750 instead of the 1475 for learning SUP DW? I'm worried the 1475 will have too much overlap with my HA1325. I'm 65kgs on an 86L DW board. I'm decent at linking bumps DWing with the 1325.
I'm waiting for you to buy the 625 and tell me if I should get one
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Oh man, should I be getting the 1750 instead of the 1475 for learning SUP DW? I'm worried the 1475 will have too much overlap with my HA1325. I'm 65kgs on an 86L DW board. I'm decent at linking bumps DWing with the 1325.
That was my thought as well. Once I compared the dimensions with the axis 1150 it was a no-brainer. Get them both!
Select to expand quoteradair said..MidAtlanticFoil said..
Oh man, should I be getting the 1750 instead of the 1475 for learning SUP DW? I'm worried the 1475 will have too much overlap with my HA1325. I'm 65kgs on an 86L DW board. I'm decent at linking bumps DWing with the 1325.
That was my thought as well. Once I compared the dimensions with the axis 1150 it was a no-brainer. Get them both!
I updated to the MA1750....Figured I need all the help I can get getting up DW. Plus, I remembered my other goal this summer is to learn to wing in a goofy-foot stance. I need a stable platform for that - the HA1325 hasn't been working haha.
Hi!
Mostly winging in 8-20 knots of wind, Intermediate level. Want to start doing downwinds in both ocean a wind driven swells on lakes. 90 l board 4.2 and 6 kvm. I'm 75 kg. Have used axis 1150 previously. Would the following be the right equipment to develop my winging?
MA 1475 and 1225 60fuselage 235 flow 85cm mast
Thanks
Select to expand quoteoskarhhh said..
Hi!
Mostly winging in 8-20 knots of wind, Intermediate level. Want to start doing downwinds in both ocean a wind driven swells on lakes. 90 l board 4.2 and 6 kvm. I'm 75 kg. Have used axis 1150 previously. Would the following be the right equipment to develop my winging?
MA 1475 and 1225 60fuselage 235 flow 85cm mast
Thanks
Seems like a solid choice! You could consider the HA1125 in place of 1225 for the extra glide factor as you progress, but I dunno I don't have the 1225 yet. The new Glide 220 stab would likely be a better call for DW than the 235. Although I bet the 235 will be easier to progress with transitions with more stability on the yaw axis with its upturned (or downturned?) tips.
Debrief after first MA1750 wing session:
I just had my first MA1750 session in very light (3-10 knt guessing) side-off conditions (high tree line) that gradually picked up to steadier 15 knts briefly before backing off again. Used the 195 stab (new 180 arriving Monday) and took out the big 7M OR Glide and 86L DW board (65kgs here).
Starting off I was worried I wouldn't have enough wind, as I was literally scooping air to get forward speed, almost like slow SUP strokes. I can't really pump the 7M beast like my 5 and 4m wings, so I was thinking the 7M was a joke and pointless with big foil and efficient board.When there was the tiniest amount of positive pressure in the wing, not even enough to pump against, just a few rapid back hand pulls and a few front foot bounces and the DW board released and presto. There were no signs of a gust on the water.definitely the lightest take off for me to date!
The foil acelebrated to a cruising speed around 11 mph and handled really nicely, feeling very easy going and maneuverable for its size (same width than the HA1325). The low end is very impressive, as it looks like it gets on foil between 5-6.5 mph when looking at my stats. It is not a fast foil when paired with the 195 stab, with my speed maxing at 15.3 mph, with the main thing holding me back being the forward pitching moment (leaning back to keep nose up). I think the new HA tails have a bit of camber to help offset this, much like the MA tails. I tried removing the blue shim I was running, but that just made things slower. Despite being rather slow, it doesn't feel draggy. The vortices it throws off are crazy - after gybing and running though the first one I thought I hit a fish! Would hate to be caught behind one in a race!
Nailed all my toeside tacks, with so much time to make corrections it was a welcomed change from the smaller faster foils I often ride. Gybes were crazy, as I would be negative wind speed on many of them and pushing the big 7M around into the backwind as I was pumping. The 1325 would sometimes stall out in those scenarios, but no problem for the deeper chord of the 1750! 'Grave digging' is definitely easy to do with this wing, which will be great for pushing DW to correct mistakes. I ended up venturing the furthest from my launch to date this session, mostly because I knew there was almost no way I couldn't get back up on foil or have trouble going downwind. Heading back DW, I basically pumped the whole way for the workout and to sus the pump. Pumps great.
So far I'm stoked to have this wing in the quiver and I can't wait to send some DW attempts next week. This thing is also going to turn any slightest sea breeze into a ticket to wave ride!
Sorry for the long winded posts! Sometimes it's a good way to unwind. 
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..oskarhhh said..
Hi!
Mostly winging in 8-20 knots of wind, Intermediate level. Want to start doing downwinds in both ocean a wind driven swells on lakes. 90 l board 4.2 and 6 kvm. I'm 75 kg. Have used axis 1150 previously. Would the following be the right equipment to develop my winging?
MA 1475 and 1225 60fuselage 235 flow 85cm mast
Thanks
Seems like a solid choice! You could consider the HA1125 in place of 1225 for the extra glide factor as you progress, but I dunno I don't have the 1225 yet. The new Glide 220 stab would likely be a better call for DW than the 235. Although I bet the 235 will be easier to progress with transitions with more stability on the yaw axis with its upturned (or downturned?) tips.
Thanks!!
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Debrief after first MA1750 wing session:
I just had my first MA1750 session in very light (3-10 knt guessing) side-off conditions (high tree line) that gradually picked up to steadier 15 knts briefly before backing off again. Used the 195 stab (new 180 arriving Monday) and took out the big 7M OR Glide and 86L DW board (65kgs here).
Starting off I was worried I wouldn't have enough wind, as I was literally scooping air to get forward speed, almost like slow SUP strokes. I can't really pump the 7M beast like my 5 and 4m wings, so I was thinking the 7M was a joke and pointless with big foil and efficient board.When there was the tiniest amount of positive pressure in the wing, not even enough to pump against, just a few rapid back hand pulls and a few front foot bounces and the DW board released and presto. There were no signs of a gust on the water.definitely the lightest take off for me to date!
The foil acelebrated to a cruising speed around 11 mph and handled really nicely, feeling very easy going and maneuverable for its size (same width than the HA1325). The low end is very impressive, as it looks like it gets on foil between 5-6.5 mph when looking at my stats. It is not a fast foil when paired with the 195 stab, with my speed maxing at 15.3 mph, with the main thing holding me back being the forward pitching moment (leaning back to keep nose up). I think the new HA tails have a bit of camber to help offset this, much like the MA tails. I tried removing the blue shim I was running, but that just made things slower. Despite being rather slow, it doesn't feel draggy. The vortices it throws off are crazy - after gybing and running though the first one I thought I hit a fish! Would hate to be caught behind one in a race!
Nailed all my toeside tacks, with so much time to make corrections it was a welcomed change from the smaller faster foils I often ride. Gybes were crazy, as I would be negative wind speed on many of them and pushing the big 7M around into the backwind as I was pumping. The 1325 would sometimes stall out in those scenarios, but no problem for the deeper chord of the 1750! 'Grave digging' is definitely easy to do with this wing, which will be great for pushing DW to correct mistakes. I ended up venturing the furthest from my launch to date this session, mostly because I knew there was almost no way I couldn't get back up on foil or have trouble going downwind. Heading back DW, I basically pumped the whole way for the workout and to sus the pump. Pumps great.
So far I'm stoked to have this wing in the quiver and I can't wait to send some DW attempts next week. This thing is also going to turn any slightest sea breeze into a ticket to wave ride!
Sorry for the long winded posts! Sometimes it's a good way to unwind.
Any comparison photos to the bigger wings? Ie 1325/1850 etc.
Second session on the MA 1225 + 235 tail. Coming from the 1550v2 + 232 tail for the last year as my only foil. 100kg, using 99l Armstrong FG board. Got the 935 mast a few months ago. 1st session in light 10-12kn with occasional 15kn gusts; 2nd session mostly 15-25kn. Inland lake. Probably a intermediate level foiler... on a good day.
I wasn't sure how much overlap with the 1550v2 i would have, but overall summary of MA1225 + 235 tail + 935 mast vs. 1550v2 + 232 tail:
A step up in overall skill needed, but nothing too difficult. Guessing it would have been even easier with the 232 tail.
Much faster, doesn't feel like i've reached 'top speed' yet in stronger gusts.
Need an extra 3-4 pumps and/or +2kn of wind to get on foil.
Feels like the MA was designed to go with the new mast angle. The 1550 on the new mast felt like the board ride a little nose-high and also pumping onto foil with the 1550 was 'different' compared to the old mast (seemed to stall more often).
Pumping the MA1225 feels better - i feel like i'm a better pumper between gusts because of how the foil works.
Getting onto foil is a different technique - in some ways easier as you build forward speed and don't try to pop the foil up as soon.
New foil and tail is looser than the old setup, still getting a feel for how hard i can turn the foil, and trying to avoid a massive wipeout at speed.
One unexpected benefit, i think the extra speed/glide makes it easier to stay up when hitting bass and perch in the lake! Normally i have 2-3 massive crashes at speed when hitting fish each session, so far only 1 crash in 2 sessions. Plenty of impacts, but the foil seems to keep more speed and stays up ;-)
Before the MAs came out, i was looking for a faster foil for the 20-30kn days (e.g. HS1250 or HA1125) and was expecting to keep the 1550v2 for the light days. It feels like the MA1225 will do everything i want at the top end and do ALMOST everything i want at the bottom end... I think i'll be adding the 1475 or 1750 for better low end and selling the 1550.
Select to expand quotekiwiupover said..
Second session on the MA 1225 + 235 tail. Coming from the 1550v2 + 232 tail for the last year as my only foil. 100kg, using 99l Armstrong FG board. Got the 935 mast a few months ago. 1st session in light 10-12kn with occasional 15kn gusts; 2nd session mostly 15-25kn. Inland lake. Probably a intermediate level foiler... on a good day.
I wasn't sure how much overlap with the 1550v2 i would have, but overall summary of MA1225 + 235 tail + 935 mast vs. 1550v2 + 232 tail:
A step up in overall skill needed, but nothing too difficult. Guessing it would have been even easier with the 232 tail.
Much faster, doesn't feel like i've reached 'top speed' yet in stronger gusts.
Need an extra 3-4 pumps and/or +2kn of wind to get on foil.
Feels like the MA was designed to go with the new mast angle. The 1550 on the new mast felt like the board ride a little nose-high and also pumping onto foil with the 1550 was 'different' compared to the old mast (seemed to stall more often).
Pumping the MA1225 feels better - i feel like i'm a better pumper between gusts because of how the foil works.
Getting onto foil is a different technique - in some ways easier as you build forward speed and don't try to pop the foil up as soon.
New foil and tail is looser than the old setup, still getting a feel for how hard i can turn the foil, and trying to avoid a massive wipeout at speed.
One unexpected benefit, i think the extra speed/glide makes it easier to stay up when hitting bass and perch in the lake! Normally i have 2-3 massive crashes at speed when hitting fish each session, so far only 1 crash in 2 sessions. Plenty of impacts, but the foil seems to keep more speed and stays up ;-)
Before the MAs came out, i was looking for a faster foil for the 20-30kn days (e.g. HS1250 or HA1125) and was expecting to keep the 1550v2 for the light days. It feels like the MA1225 will do everything i want at the top end and do ALMOST everything i want at the bottom end... I think i'll be adding the 1475 or 1750 for better low end and selling the 1550.
Perfect thx
Select to expand quotekiwiupover said..
...It feels like the MA1225 will do everything i want at the top end and do ALMOST everything i want at the bottom end... I think i'll be adding the 1475 or 1750 for better low end and selling the 1550.
1225 range is incredible. The 205 and 50 fuse really lights it up too.
