Armstrong MA foil range - any details yet?

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Oahuwaterwalker said..
Sorry folks, ended up catching a bug and couldn't go for test run day two with the MA205.

Like MAF wrote and demonstrated with photos, the 205 is NOT a chopped down 232. The outline is similar, but the 205 is more in line with the 195 in terms of thickness and has some crazy camber going on. I'm not sure why they would describe it as a chopped 232, that description almost kept me from ordering one.

New here to the forum, lots of great input.
im looking for setup info on MA1225 & MA1000 w/ 60 fuse and 235 tail on 85 A+ mast.
im coming from Axis ART series 899, 999, 1099.
I've been reading a lot here about shims and pitch stability but have yet to hear any consensus about these MA series wings on regular A+ masts. Any advice on starting point would be much appreciated.
FG 75/60, 170lbs Oahu mostly Kailua jump city waves.
cheers

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wingnit said..
New here to the forum, lots of great input.
im looking for setup info on MA1225 & MA1000 w/ 60 fuse and 235 tail on 85 A+ mast.
im coming from Axis ART series 899, 999, 1099.
I've been reading a lot here about shims and pitch stability but have yet to hear any consensus about these MA series wings on regular A+ masts. Any advice on starting point would be much appreciated.
FG 75/60, 170lbs Oahu mostly Kailua jump city waves.
cheers

You should link up with Oahuwaterwalker, although he is on the performance mast now.

MAF: what's the benefit of going +.5 with the 205?

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paulweller2 said..
MAF: what's the benefit of going +.5 with the 205?

I've only tried the 205 at -.5 and +.5 (mast remained constant) and the +.5 alleviated the maxed out front foot pressure and freed up the ride a bit on the pitch axis. If I use less shimming, I will certainly need to move the mast back. On my speed run today, I came out of the speed run, and again, ended up riding too high for comfort and bailed for a nice hang glide to a soft landing. I could probably move back to 5.5 and be comfy with the +.5 setting. If I went -1, I'd guess a good mast position for my light weight (65KGs) would be like 3 or 4. I'm used to a very loose setup coming from the 725/50F as my daily driver.

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kiwiupover said..

wingnit said..
New here to the forum, lots of great input.
im looking for setup info on MA1225 & MA1000 w/ 60 fuse and 235 tail on 85 A+ mast.
im coming from Axis ART series 899, 999, 1099.
I've been reading a lot here about shims and pitch stability but have yet to hear any consensus about these MA series wings on regular A+ masts. Any advice on starting point would be much appreciated.
FG 75/60, 170lbs Oahu mostly Kailua jump city waves.
cheers

I haven't got on the MA foils yet, but the performance mast is a very nice upgrade vs. the A+... if you haven't pulled the trigger on the mast, you should try to go for the performance mast.

I hemmed and hawed a great deal about the performance mast but the length just seems needlessly long at 935 and the 796 perhaps a little short. Hence the 85 A+, that said I can still switch it out for the 935 if that is the way to go ???????

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wingnit said..


I hemmed and hawed a great deal about the performance mast but the length just seems needlessly long at 935 and the 796 perhaps a little short. Hence the 85 A+, that said I can still switch it out for the 935 if that is the way to go ???????

Felt the same, got the 935. No regrets for winging. Have the 795 for SUP foil and love it too. Winged the 795 and it felt very direct and fun. If I could only have one, I'd still be happy with the 795. Mostly. ;)

Had 4-5 sessions with MA1225/60 non-A+ fuse with 0 degree TTF/85cm A+ Mast/HA195/FG 60l...was way easier and lower bottom end than HA925 as expected and as easy as HS1250 but noticeably faster -everything else kept the same including mast position (8).

Overall it was good but wasn't perfect for pitch stability.

Switched to HS232 tail for a more balanced set up. It got a little slower but much more comfortable as the pitch stability improved significantly.

Now the question is shall I order an MA205 or MA235? Leaning towards the latter for better balance between foil and stab. Would love to hear your recommendations.

re the 85cm A+ mast, I am resonably comfortable with it (78kg) but may change my mind if an 85cm HP mast is released.

I demod both the MA205 amd MA235 with the MA1000 end of last week. The condition was a bit crazy (up to 35 knots) and difficult waves.The 235 is nice tail for smooth turns. Like the add - The Flow 235's name says it all! It's smooth and predictable, inspiring your confidence and flow.

The MA205 is faster and still has a nice feel. Where the 195 sometimes a bit twitchy is, the MA205 does it all. For big and fast waves my preference is still the 195 over 205.

I am waiting for my 205

I think the MA205 complements nicely with MA front wing.

The 232 feels okay but a bit slow.

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patronus said..

wingnit said..
New here to the forum, lots of great input.
im looking for setup info on MA1225 & MA1000 w/ 60 fuse and 235 tail on 85 A+ mast.
im coming from Axis ART series 899, 999, 1099.
I've been reading a lot here about shims and pitch stability but have yet to hear any consensus about these MA series wings on regular A+ masts. Any advice on starting point would be much appreciated.
FG 75/60, 170lbs Oahu mostly Kailua jump city wa

Low Intermediate here. Found MA1000 very pitchy and porpoised. Tamed with practice (no HA experience), and sometimes get wobbles with 85 A+ mast (flexes) which are reduced by moving back foot a bit more forward,.

What stab and shim did you try it ?
What's your weight?
And comparing to which foil?

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patronus said..

bhc said..

patronus said..

wingnit said..
New here to the forum, lots of great input.
im looking for setup info on MA1225 & MA1000 w/ 60 fuse and 235 tail on 85 A+ mast.
im coming from Axis ART series 899, 999, 1099.
I've been reading a lot here about shims and pitch stability but have yet to hear any consensus about these MA series wings on regular A+ masts. Any advice on starting point would be much appreciated.
FG 75/60, 170lbs Oahu mostly Kailua jump city wa

Low Intermediate here. Found MA1000 very pitchy and porpoised. Tamed with practice (no HA experience), and sometimes get wobbles with 85 A+ mast (flexes) which are reduced by moving back foot a bit more forward,.

What stab and shim did you try it ?
What's your weight?
And comparing to which foil?

85kg, 88l FG, 85A+ mast and 60 . Tried 232 and 195 stabs, no difference in instability and porpoising so accepted it was technique. Eventually got the HA195 to work with MA1000 for winging in chop at mast 9, then tried 205 today at 9 which added front foot pressure approximately cancelled by adding blue shim. Gybes nicely so working on getting used to that. Bit more tuning needed.

have you tried shifting the mast back, say to 5?

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Poida said..

patronus said..

bhc said..

patronus said..

wingnit said..
New here to the forum, lots of great input.
im looking for setup info on MA1225 & MA1000 w/ 60 fuse and 235 tail on 85 A+ mast.
im coming from Axis ART series 899, 999, 1099.
I've been reading a lot here about shims and pitch stability but have yet to hear any consensus about these MA series wings on regular A+ masts. Any advice on starting point would be much appreciated.
FG 75/60, 170lbs Oahu mostly Kailua jump city wa

Low Intermediate here. Found MA1000 very pitchy and porpoised. Tamed with practice (no HA experience), and sometimes get wobbles with 85 A+ mast (flexes) which are reduced by moving back foot a bit more forward,.

What stab and shim did you try it ?
What's your weight?
And comparing to which foil?

85kg, 88l FG, 85A+ mast and 60 . Tried 232 and 195 stabs, no difference in instability and porpoising so accepted it was technique. Eventually got the HA195 to work with MA1000 for winging in chop at mast 9, then tried 205 today at 9 which added front foot pressure approximately cancelled by adding blue shim. Gybes nicely so working on getting used to that. Bit more tuning needed.

have you tried shifting the mast back, say to 5?

I did consider moving mast back to counter front foot pressure but tried shim as heard 'mast-forward' on Armie board reduces board swing.
Earlier shimmed 232 with blue and adapted quickly to pitchiness and benefited from glide, ended up 2 x red with way more glide from 1550 V2 and mast moved from 4 to 8. So, I guess my experience is shimming is good and trying same with 205, though not heard of anyone going beyond 1 x red

I think there is plenty of feedback on these MA front foils now.. What i would like to hear is some more in depth expwrience with these new tails... i had a very average (like well below even crap) prone on the 205 today and MA 1000.. To crap condtions to conclude anything but .. Kind of . meh.?

Eppo, my concern is that the Real Watersports videos with Armie and the lads show a new tail which looks like a HAv2-not either of the MAs. Same blank tail on some of the MA photos on the Armie website.

i am really enjoying the 205 with the MA1000, the lift just makes everything easier and it would appear (for my level of kookness) to turn so much better than the 195.. i would say it completely revolutionised my winging but others would disagree when looking at me , the speed you can generate is amazing.. with the CF950 the lift is a bit too extreme so I will need to get a MA800 to compensate for this.