Select to expand quotePeterc150 said..
It would also be nice if all the WA biffo/warfare between kitesurfers and windsurfers was confined to the WA section, along with associated Trolls. I think all the antics in WA reflect poorly on kitesurfing nationally. Any policy makers/legislators reading this stuff, including State and Local governments, are likely to come down hard on us all.
Lighten up........... what biffo ..........are you talking about .............FOOL
As ive always said when you have 50 plus windsurfers and 50 plus kiters (OH and a rescue boat) in one location that's 100 crew.
How many runs in and out does one do 30 50 100 you do the maths ........... No ones had a major collision this year.
We ve had wind here for over 2 months every day ,the seabreeze season stretches over 10 months and coupled with high volumes of euros / tourists
Banter is banter and close calls should be discussed
Minor incidents are happening with in each sport with the volumes of crew on the water
This is the exact post that fuels me , ,,,,,,,don't include windsurfing as part of your kite antics and serious injuries nationally.
Sorry its a bit to up tempo for you in the Wild West ............
Just to much time on the water in the warm water
Maybe you can legislate that 
One thing I will agree on time to shut shop reading and replying to anything on the Kite forum 
..........I need a bex 
Select to expand quoteking of the point said..Peterc150 said..
It would also be nice if all the WA biffo/warfare between kitesurfers and windsurfers was confined to the WA section, along with associated Trolls. I think all the antics in WA reflect poorly on kitesurfing nationally. Any policy makers/legislators reading this stuff, including State and Local governments, are likely to come down hard on us all.
Lighten up........... what biffo ..........are you talking about .............FOOL
As ive always said when you have 50 plus windsurfers and 50 plus kiters (OH and a rescue boat) in one location that's 100 crew.
How many runs in and out does one do 30 50 100 you do the maths ........... No ones had a major collision this year.
We ve had wind here for over 2 months every day ,the seabreeze season stretches over 10 months and coupled with high volumes of euros / tourists
Banter is banter and close calls should be discussed
Minor incidents are happening with in each sport with the volumes of crew on the water
This is the exact post that fuels me , ,,,,,,,don't include windsurfing as part of your kite antics and serious injuries nationally.
Sorry its a bit to up tempo for you in the Wild West ............
Just to much time on the water in the warm water Maybe you can legislate that
One thing I will agree on time to shut shop reading and replying to anything on the Kite forum
..........I need a bex
Have you looked in a mirror recently?
I rest my case, fool.
For a thread that started out as a 'this happened. Be careful out there' it sure has taken a different turn.
Now where's my popcorn
Select to expand quotePeterc150 said...
It would also be nice if all the WA biffo/warfare between kitesurfers and windsurfers was confined to the WA section, along with associated Trolls. I think all the antics in WA reflect poorly on kitesurfing nationally. Any policy makers/legislators reading this stuff, including State and Local governments, are likely to come down hard on us all.
Peter, do you have a few cats???
NoBs to be honest I don't really give a Shizzola, welcome back, as for PeterC150 
Getting back to the main issue. Has the DOT finished their investigation yet as to the cause of the accident
Select to expand quoteIceman64 said..
Getting back to the main issue. Has the DOT finished their investigation yet as to the cause of the accident
I belive so.
the silence is deafening - my guess is it was not the fault of the sea rescue crew.
therefore all those who were quick to hang em high should apologise
Select to expand quoteIceman64 said..
the silence is deafening - my guess is it was not the fault of the sea rescue crew.
therefore all those who were quick to hang em high should apologise
I have seen the report. Your assumptions are incorrect. It would be prudent to read it for yourself before you comment.
Select to expand quoteTwiglet said..Iceman64 said..
the silence is deafening - my guess is it was not the fault of the sea rescue crew.
therefore all those who were quick to hang em high should apologise
I have seen the report. Your assumptions are incorrect. It would be prudent to read it for yourself before you comment.
is this report public information ?
Select to expand quoteTwiglet said..Iceman64 said..
the silence is deafening - my guess is it was not the fault of the sea rescue crew.
therefore all those who were quick to hang em high should apologise
I have seen the report. Your assumptions are incorrect. It would be prudent to read it for yourself before you comment.
How do you get a copy
Select to expand quoteIceman64 said...
the silence is deafening - my guess is it was not the fault of the sea rescue crew.
therefore all those who were quick to hang em high should apologise
Silence from who ?
Select to expand quotedingojack said..Iceman64 said...
the silence is deafening - my guess is it was not the fault of the sea rescue crew.
therefore all those who were quick to hang em high should apologise
Silence from who ?
Silence from the person who started the conversation and claimed to be hit from behind by the rescue boat
Select to expand quoteIceman64 said..
the silence is deafening - my guess is it was not the fault of the sea rescue crew.
therefore all those who were quick to hang em high should apologise
Apologise on the strength of your guess?
I dont think so.
No need for a "hanging" but my guess is that your guess will be way wrong.
Just because you run a fantastic, volunteer based, public service org we all greatly appreciate doesnt mean accidents cant happen.
No-one is trying to hang anyone here!
What you are discussing here involves one of the safest & most responsible kiters on the west coast.
And an honest one. If he was in the wrong he'd be the 1st to fess up.
Anyone heard off pilot Pete, just I could do with my boats hull inspecting and anti fouling
In February, the DoT put this out after its investigation:
The incident report found that both parties failed in their obligations to follow international collision regulations. Mr Morgan was race training and he was unable to keep an effective lookout. Also that Green 1 failed to give way to a vessel to the starboard or take early and effective action to avoid collision.
The investigation determined that neither party?s actions were fully responsible for the accident occurring.
Report recommendations included the need for skippers to be extremely vigilant when navigating near kite and wind surfers. Also, kite surfers and wind surfers need to ensure they are aware of vessels operating nearby, in particular any vessels that may approach from a blind spot when they are tracking on a course.
Select to expand quotedogfish said...
Each time I read one of these incident threads, and there have been several lately, it's a wake up call. No use pointing fingers. My safety is my own responsibility. As is, it goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, the safety of others.
how many wake up calls do you need? seriously, how does one find themselves in a position to be run over by a boat.................the piss poor level of experience and judgement shown by kiters is the exact reason every other water user is hoping it wont be long before your excluded from most spots...no one to blame but yourself,,,,,,,,,shhhhhhh, oh sorry I thought a boat was sneaking up on me
Select to expand quoteBeanStalk said...dogfish said...
Each time I read one of these incident threads, and there have been several lately, it's a wake up call. No use pointing fingers. My safety is my own responsibility. As is, it goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway, the safety of others.
how many wake up calls do you need? seriously, how does one find themselves in a position to be run over by a boat.................the piss poor level of experience and judgement shown by kiters is the exact reason every other water user is hoping it wont be long before your excluded from most spots...no one to blame but yourself,,,,,,,,,shhhhhhh, oh sorry I thought a boat was sneaking up on me
Beanstalk of anonymous no post history. And now banned as an obvious wanker.
That post is a disgrace.
The official outcome as posted - if that is in fact the outcome? - is a very diplomatic bureaucratic summation to put the issue to bed.
From the little I know it would have involved significant independent negotiation with both parties to have everyone agree to this official take on the situation.
For Mine.... congrats to everyone involved (inc the adjudicator) for resolving this very difficult situation with no blame, no loss of face, etc etc to any party. Job well done.
Hope PilotPete is happy. Im sure Sea Rescue will be.
And hope as well that it may lead to even more cooperation bw KA/WAKSA, Kiters generally & Sea Rescue.
We are all batting on the one side - safety on the water.
Select to expand quotedusta said...
how
the
fark
was he hit by a boat travelling at 20 knots ?
glad he is ok though
Select to expand quotepaullyp said...dusta said...
how
the
fark
was he hit by a boat travelling at 20 knots ?
glad he is ok though
Good to heAr he ok but as a kiter and also a 40 ft game boat owner I am not surprised that a WA kiter has been cleaned up by a boat . I as a keen kiter am sick and tired of irresponsible kiters cutting across the front of large boats which yes we do travel quickly as we have generally over 1000 hp of diesel power and at an average weight of 15000kg we can not stop dead as some jerk crosses our bow.
As a kiter and a boater I ask please don't be a jerk and keep away from boats.. I don't want to run you over but keep away from 15000 kg + boats traveling at 20 knots we can not stop...
This is ridiculous!!
Why don't actions have consequences any more?
Just imagine the outcry if a beach goer or swimmer was hit by a kite surfer??
I couldn't imagine a quicker ban on kites anywhere?
Glad to hear your ok .
Joint Statement for inclusion on Sea Breeze.
A representative of Whitfords Sea Rescue Group (WVSRG), and Peter Morgan have met to reconcile their different perspectives on the collision that occurred between Peter Morgan when he was kite surfing and the WVSRG vessel Green 1 on the 30/12/2013 near Quinns Rocks.
WVSRG has understood that Peter Morgan’s kite surfing activity includes racing and free style.
On the day in question it is apparent that Peter was engaged in race training - and therefore not “stuffing around’ (as was reported by one media outlet) and not interested in jumping the wake of Green 1.
As a result of this accident WVSRG has alerted its skippers to an attribute of the racing activity in that the kite surfer’s attention is to the upwind and less so to downwind, in contrast to most recreational kite surfers.
As the Marine Safety report stated ‘Learning and understanding the idiosyncrasies of these activities may assist in understanding probably movement.’ ‘In this case (action to avoid collision … made early and readily apparent) may still not be seen by the kite surfer.’ For their part ‘Kite surfers engaged in the activity described here should have situational awareness of other craft in the area’. Both parties are relieved that the incident did not result in serious injury.
This concludes this matter and no further statements from WVSRG or Pete Morgan will be forthcoming regarding this collision.
Select to expand quote<div class="simple-text">Well that is that then lol
What the situational awarness that a 40ft engine powered craft should keep clear of a wind powered craft - in this case a kitesurfer?
Maybe slow down....
Regardless of rules and regulations common sense would say powered craft show respect by slowing down around wind powered craft - below 5 knots. Most human beings are able to identify that trying to cut up a container ship has more consequences than being in the right! lol
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WA"In general, powered vessels should give way to sail. However, in cases when small sailboats meet larger powered craft, the sailboat should give way and stay well clear"
This is 5hit legislation too , ambiguous to the point that is might make a delusional skipper of a powered 40ft vessel actually think they don't need to slow right down around wind powered craft in order to assist in staying clear and keeping everyone safe.
40ft powered craft 15 tonnes - hmm yeah huge - how will you slow down? lol lol My idea is disengage the throttle so you are not doing above 5knots within 50m - if that means disengaging at 150m in order to be able to slow down to this speed within 50m - so be it.
It is very disrespectful to fly past a wind powered craft in a powered craft - actually any craft - the wake can swamp dinghies / throw the wind powered craft out of control and greatly increases risk of collision.
Select to expand quotepaullyp said...
paullyp said...
dusta said...
how
the
fark
was he hit by a boat travelling at 20 knots ?
glad he is ok though
Good to heAr he ok but as a kiter and also a 40 ft game boat owner I am not surprised that a WA kiter has been cleaned up by a boat . I as a keen kiter am sick and tired of irresponsible kiters cutting across the front of large boats which yes we do travel quickly as we have generally over 1000 hp of diesel power and at an average weight of 15000kg we can not stop dead as some jerk crosses our bow.
As a kiter and a boater I ask please don't be a jerk and keep away from boats.. I don't want to run you over but keep away from 15000 kg + boats traveling at 20 knots we can not stop...
if you say you are both a kiter and a 40ft game boat owner then i think you need to go back to basics . I own a 36ft boston and i can tell you i am always on alert and constantly scanning the surrounding waters for anything that could be an issue . I always give wind/paddle craft a wide berth and slow down . If you are on a 40ft game boat then you will no doubt be up top with almost perfect 360 degree views . So if you can't see a kiter cutting across your bow and make the required changes to speed and heading then maybe you should hand your skippers ticket in .
