Select to expand quotePaul1 said..
The press always sensationalise stories, so lets hope it's them and not the rescue team, if it is the rescue team and Pete's story is accurate, then it is very poor form from the rescue guys and a big worry if that's the way they go about their work.....
Really glad you are okay after this incident.
How often do the press write sensationalistic rubbish..? Mostly. Are they actually quoting your Seabreeze post in that "report"..?
I wouldn't change your point of view of the Rescue guys based on what you read in the paper. Or what you read on here..... Let the process run its course. It won't be resolved in a day or so, needs patience. No number of forum posts will change the outcome. Yes there was an incident, which I'm sure nobody intended. Those guys do a huge community service. Let the process run its course.
There are always 2 sides to a story..
Which side is correct is unsure, however if people are aware of their surroundings by looking over their shoulder occasionally then this incident wouldn't have happened.
It's everyone responsibility to know what's going on around you on the water.
Why would Pete get in touch with the media in the first place. It won't do him any favours in the long run.
Select to expand quoteNoBS said..
However in this occasion it seems he couldn't hear anything as he had a helmet on and wasn't aware of what was going on behind him.
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How's the irony ?
The helmet saved Pete's life ...
despite being the main cause of the accident.
You can't make up stuff like this.
Select to expand quotewaveslave said..
NoBS said..
However in this occasion it seems he couldn't hear anything as he had a helmet on and wasn't aware of what was going on behind him.
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How's the irony ?
The helmet saved Pete's life ...
despite being the main cause of the accident.
You can't make up stuff like this.
Wavesalve, Acknowledge appropriate lookout is mandatory for ALL helmsmen at sea but, IRRESPECTIVE OVERTAKING VESSEL MUST KEEP CLEAR.
Select to expand quotewaveslave said...NoBS said..
However in this occasion it seems he couldn't hear anything as he had a helmet on and wasn't aware of what was going on behind him.
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How's the irony ?
The helmet saved Pete's life ...
despite being the main cause of the accident.
You can't make up stuff like this.
Never thought I would agree with wave slave ...
Some of the seabreeze defence council above may want to have a look at WA marine regulations.... Once you have done this I have a small 52 question quiz for you all.
Select to expand quoteiti said..
the boat and the crew look stupid now lying about it, guess what boys the gps don't lie , people on rescue boat lying u r a joke
I hope u get sued big time now
The GPS plot provided in the thread only show speed vs time, this does not support either side unless there is also a plot that shows course for the corresponding speed plot. This would demonstrate any changes of direction leading up to the collision and either support the erratic changes of direction or a steady maintained heading argument.
I have to say in all my years of sailing, windsurfing and particularly kiting I have always known what other craft, particularly motor vessels are in my immediate 500m vicinity.
So on page 1 the rescue boat boat was doing 20 knots but according to page 3 , press report "His GPS watch showed he accelerated from 30km/h to 118km/h in fractions of a second after the impact,"
A 40 foot rescue boat doing close to 64 knots. Just an observation.
something doesn't add up.
GPS's are inaccurate over very small time scales
Boat wakes are fun to play in
Boats are fun to jump over
But please be competent enough before you attempt these maneuvers
Select to expand quoteIspy said..
So on page 1 the rescue boat boat was doing 20 knots but according to page 3 , press report "His GPS watch showed he accelerated from 30km/h to 118km/h in fractions of a second after the impact,"
A 40 foot rescue boat doing close to 64 knots. Just an observation. something doesn't add up.
Page 3: the kiter accelerated that fast because he was sling shot around the boat, being attached to his lines, with his kite being the anchor point. It's called leverage. Basic physics.
Pete was on a race board not a twin tip. So riding wakes or attempting to jump over boats is pretty unlikely. From what I understand his GPS indicates he had been on a straight tack for 1.5km before being hit.
Does a Gps reading become distorted and innacurate when the Gps goes from horizontal direction to a vertical as in a fall and hence a 118klm reading?
Select to expand quotetowradgi said..
Does a Gps reading become distorted and innacurate when the Gps goes from horizontal direction to a vertical as in a fall and hence a 118klm reading?
Not really, gps are better at calculating a rolling speed rather than an instantaneous one. 118km/hr should be more of an indication of rapid acceleration rather than a true speed achieved.
I have a question
If you were travelling SE and the rescue vessel travelling south how did it hit you from behind.
Having seen a lot of Kite surfers of Pinnaroo Pt your body would have been facing East to North East and you back to the West. The vessel would therefore have hit you on your left shoulder.
Whilst not laying blame on any party until the investigation is complete, I have had many close calls on my boat with Kite surfers of Pinnaroo point when they suddenly decide to change directing without looking.
A Kitesurfer can change direction a lot quicker than a 40ft vessel.
Nice first post Iceman, I guess you have something to do with the accident and are fishing for information, but whatever...You are in fact wrong, if he was travelling SE, he was facing SE or maybe even SSE, depending on his style, so yes a boat travelling South would indeed hit him from behind.
Select to expand quoteIceman64 said..
I have a question
If you were travelling SE and the rescue vessel travelling south how did it hit you from behind.
Having seen a lot of Kite surfers of Pinnaroo Pt your body would have been facing East to North East and you back to the West. The vessel would therefore have hit you on your left shoulder.
Whilst not laying blame on any party until the investigation is complete, I have had many close calls on my boat with Kite surfers of Pinnaroo point when they suddenly decide to change directing without looking.
A Kitesurfer can change direction a lot quicker than a 40ft vessel.
Kiterhater alert!
Why are you in your boat so close to shore when kiters are out in 20+ knotts?
First of all I had nothing to do with the incident. It was just a general question based on my observations.
Secondly I am not a kitehater. I respect everyones right to be on the water. I actually admire you guys who strap a kite to you body and take to the water in thsoe conditions.
Thirdly I have seen kites out in winds as low as 10knots just depends on the direction.
Select to expand quoteIceman64 said..
...I have had many close calls on my boat with Kite surfers of Pinnaroo point when they suddenly decide to change directing without looking.
A Kitesurfer can change direction a lot quicker than a 40ft vessel.
Yeah, I'm still calling BS.
Iceman, how did you manage to just happen upon a kite surfing thread on the Seabreeze forums? I am intrigued.....
After reading it in the media I Googled it and found the seabreeze thread that way
last week it was a set of new lines and a carton, this week its $3000 compo, another classic example of WA,s rising cost of living
Glad all is ok, but reading the thread both sides do NOT add up. I think something is missing and both stories seem to have some faults. I struggle to see how the kiter failed to miss a boat coming towards him, or at least did not see the boat in the vicinity before hand. We are not talking about a small boat here. And I am sure the sea rescue guys did not stalk him for a long period and finally caught up and hit him directly from behind, and NOT see him until they hit him. Not blaming anyone but BOTH sides DO NOT add up (in my opinion) and BOTH SIDES have there faults.(in my opinion).
Select to expand quotecauncy said..
last week it was a set of new lines and a carton, this week its $3000 compo, another classic example of WA,s rising cost of living
The ambulance ride would have been around $1000 and that invoice was probably in the mail before he arrived at the hospital.
Select to expand quoteJonopark said..
Glad all is ok, but reading the thread both sides do NOT add up. I think something is missing and both stories seem to have some faults. I struggle to see how the kiter failed to miss a boat coming towards him, or at least did not see the boat in the vicinity before hand. We are not talking about a small boat here. And I am sure the sea rescue guys did not stalk him for a long period and finally caught up and hit him directly from behind, and NOT see him until they hit him. Not blaming anyone but BOTH sides DO NOT add up (in my opinion) and BOTH SIDES have there faults.(in my opinion).
I deal with shall we call it 'conflict resolution' every day at work, and I hope neither side take this personally, but both sides with the best of intentions will put their best story first, the account that puts them in a favourable light. Neither will be lying, nor will they be deceitful in any way, it's just human nature. The hard part is to get both sides accounts, wade through it and somewhere in the middle will probably be what really happened.
And never trust a media account or rely on social media for factual reporting. I've seen so many things end up in the media that I have a first hand knowledge of but which the media have reported so totally wrong. And I know for a fact that the media regularly create stories from social media, I think someone earlier pointed out that the Sunday Times was directly quoting from Pete's posts on the incident?
Select to expand quotecauncy said..
last week it was a set of new lines
According to the news it'd be all new 'ropes' 
Lucky to have avoided the props!
Select to expand quoteJonopark said..
Glad all is ok, but reading the thread both sides do NOT add up. I think something is missing and both stories seem to have some faults. I struggle to see how the kiter failed to miss a boat coming towards him, or at least did not see the boat in the vicinity before hand. We are not talking about a small boat here. And I am sure the sea rescue guys did not stalk him for a long period and finally caught up and hit him directly from behind, and NOT see him until they hit him. Not blaming anyone but BOTH sides DO NOT add up (in my opinion) and BOTH SIDES have there faults.(in my opinion).
Jono, he was hit from behind.
Id sue the sunday times for putting such a spanker photo in the times and making me look like a plonka
Select to expand quotebuzingfridge said...Jonopark said..
Glad all is ok, but reading the thread both sides do NOT add up. I think something is missing and both stories seem to have some faults. I struggle to see how the kiter failed to miss a boat coming towards him, or at least did not see the boat in the vicinity before hand. We are not talking about a small boat here. And I am sure the sea rescue guys did not stalk him for a long period and finally caught up and hit him directly from behind, and NOT see him until they hit him. Not blaming anyone but BOTH sides DO NOT add up (in my opinion) and BOTH SIDES have there faults.(in my opinion).
Jono, he was hit from behind.
So it was a coward hit
Select to expand quoteChris6791 said...cauncy said..
last week it was a set of new lines and a carton, this week its $3000 compo, another classic example of WA,s rising cost of living
The ambulance ride would have been around $1000 and that invoice was probably in the mail before he arrived at the hospital.
$1000 that's a rip off, seeing the guy was riding $3000 worth of kit I'd say he's not on the bones of his arse ,so the would be good chance he would have St. John's ambo cover which costs around $50 for the year,
