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Are you going to take it?

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Created by hashbrown > 9 months ago, 2 Dec 2020
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Mr Milk
NSW, 3116 posts
12 Dec 2020 11:50AM
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The Oxford vaccine was accidentally found to work better if given in a smaller dose, then a second dose. One of the Chinese vaccines, made by Sinopharm claims 86% efficacy from 31 000 doses in Abu Dhabi.
I'm wondering if that could be boosted by giving further jabs to ensure the body responds. Not everybody gets sick the first time they get exposed to a pathogen, so why would everybody immediately acquire immunity from a jab?
Remember, if at first you don't succeed, try, try again. But give up before people think you're obsessed

psychojoe
WA, 2239 posts
12 Dec 2020 9:33AM
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But give up before people think you're obsessed

Ship's already sailed on that one.

hashbrown
WA, 108 posts
12 Dec 2020 11:40AM
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From the FDA website - 22 listed possible side effects



Guillain-Barr syndrome
Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis Transverse myelitis
Encephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/ meningoencephalitis/meningitis/ encepholapathy
Convulsions/seizures
Stroke
Narcolepsy and cataplexy
Anaphylaxis
Acute myocardial infarction
Myocarditis/pericarditis
Autoimmune disease
Deaths
Pregnancy and birth outcomes
Other acute demyelinating diseases
Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
Thrombocytopenia
Disseminated intravascular coagulation
Venous thromboembolism
Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
Kawasaki disease
Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children
Vaccine enhanced disease

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
12 Dec 2020 5:20PM
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Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
12 Dec 2020 5:26PM
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FormulaNova said..
One of the issues with vaccines, and I think we see it with the Flu vaccine, is that the body sees it as a virus and tries to defend against it... resulting in an increase in temperature to kill it off (fever) and other reactions to try and mitigate its effects.

It isn't an active virus, but mimics one, so the body's reactions can be similar, but are short lived. I am not sure there is a way to avoid this.

Does this mean it will contribute to global warming?

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
12 Dec 2020 3:36PM
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Harrow said..

FormulaNova said..
One of the issues with vaccines, and I think we see it with the Flu vaccine, is that the body sees it as a virus and tries to defend against it... resulting in an increase in temperature to kill it off (fever) and other reactions to try and mitigate its effects.

It isn't an active virus, but mimics one, so the body's reactions can be similar, but are short lived. I am not sure there is a way to avoid this.


Does this mean it will contribute to global warming?


No, because the cold wash-cloth that you use to dab on your forehead cools it all down and results in global cooling.

Are you sure you don't work for the Trump deparment of climate science?

TonyAbbott
924 posts
13 Dec 2020 5:37PM
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The Queensland vaccine gave people aids

I would rather covid

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
13 Dec 2020 7:48PM
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TonyAbbott said..
The Queensland vaccine gave people aids

I would rather covid


Sadly, that sort of response would be common in the real world to the 'false positive' result, and it seems your second response would be the same as other facebook users out there.

Which is why they had to can it.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
14 Dec 2020 1:33PM
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FormulaNova said..

Harrow said..

FormulaNova said..
One of the issues with vaccines, and I think we see it with the Flu vaccine, is that the body sees it as a virus and tries to defend against it... resulting in an increase in temperature to kill it off (fever) and other reactions to try and mitigate its effects.

It isn't an active virus, but mimics one, so the body's reactions can be similar, but are short lived. I am not sure there is a way to avoid this.

Does this mean it will contribute to global warming?

No, because the cold wash-cloth that you use to dab on your forehead cools it all down and results in global cooling.

Are you sure you don't work for the Trump deparment of climate science?

Do the green thumbs on this mean that some people actually thought I was serious??? LOL!!

Ya'know, I also think we should ban all hot beverages. No, seriously, every cup of tea takes another layer off the polar ice caps. It's why I started drinking only iced coffee in 1975 (yeah, I was a trendsetter for global warming activism even back then....eat your heart out Greta).

DelFuego
WA, 213 posts
14 Dec 2020 10:39AM
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musorianin
QLD, 597 posts
14 Dec 2020 1:35PM
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cauncy said..



Just in case anyone wants a translation, from the last three lines: "I feel a little weird, and I think I'm growing donkey ears. I feel a little weird"

Not sure how much that advances this high quality debate, but thought we should all be fully informed, in the name of science and open communication.

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
14 Dec 2020 12:22PM
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Harrow said..

FormulaNova said..


Harrow said..


FormulaNova said..
One of the issues with vaccines, and I think we see it with the Flu vaccine, is that the body sees it as a virus and tries to defend against it... resulting in an increase in temperature to kill it off (fever) and other reactions to try and mitigate its effects.

It isn't an active virus, but mimics one, so the body's reactions can be similar, but are short lived. I am not sure there is a way to avoid this.


Does this mean it will contribute to global warming?


No, because the cold wash-cloth that you use to dab on your forehead cools it all down and results in global cooling.

Are you sure you don't work for the Trump deparment of climate science?


Do the green thumbs on this mean that some people actually thought I was serious??? LOL!!

Ya'know, I also think we should ban all hot beverages. No, seriously, every cup of tea takes another layer off the polar ice caps. It's why I started drinking only iced coffee in 1975 (yeah, I was a trendsetter for global warming activism even back then....eat your heart out Greta).


I hope not/ Otherwise we have more serious problems than Covid19!

I am offsetting your concern with global warming though as I refuse to wear a jumper and am letting all my excess body heat radiate into space at night. This will save us!

I also run the aircon a lot, and its cooling the house down nicely. If everyone did it, we would have a cool state, and then a cool country and before you know it, problem solved!

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
14 Dec 2020 3:27PM
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FormulaNova said..I also run the aircon a lot, and its cooling the house down nicely. If everyone did it, we would have a cool state, and then a cool country and before you know it, problem solved!

My kids are concerned about global warming too, I mean they must be....it's the only logical explanation for why they keep leaving the doors and windows open all the time when the aircon is running.

CH3MTR4IL5
WA, 939 posts
14 Dec 2020 2:52PM
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Harrow said..

Ya'know, I also think we should ban all hot beverages. No, seriously, every cup of tea takes another layer off the polar ice caps. It's why I started drinking only iced coffee in 1975 (yeah, I was a trendsetter for global warming activism even back then....eat your heart out Greta).


Thanks for destroying virgin jungle and increasing CO2 levels by consuming coffee 12 years before rainforest alliance was founded, jerk

TonyAbbott
924 posts
14 Dec 2020 6:41PM
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kiterboy
2614 posts
15 Dec 2020 2:27PM
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"Pfizer's CEO hasn't gotten his Covid vaccine yet, saying he doesn't want to cut in line"

Yeah...right...he should have been one of the first to get it. Really confidence inspiring...

www.cnbc.com/2020/12/14/pfizers-ceo-hasnt-gotten-his-covid-vaccine-yet-saying-he-doesnt-want-to-cut-in-line.html

He said he's also 59 and in relatively good health, so it's not entirely appropriate for him to receive the vaccine before other people who need it more. If he was vaccinated on camera, he said it might help increase the public's willingness to receive it, citing Pfizer's internal research. But he emphasized that "none of the executives and board members will cut the line."

Such BS. Plenty of people younger than 59 and in good (not just 'relatively') health have gone down to this thing. AND I'm sure not all of the board members and executives are in such super-heroic shape as him.

Translation; 'you guys are being the guinea pigs here, not us, no way!'

psychomub
448 posts
15 Dec 2020 3:31PM
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It's unfathomable to me that with the understanding we now have concerning the low mortality rate of this virus, that anyone would willingly inject themselves with a rushed and completely new vaccine.

If we were being ravaged by Ebola or something I'd get it, but even then I'd grudgingly accept it. Willfully allowing your DNA to be altered for the "chance"of it working against a virus you already have a 99.9% chance of surviving is just mind bending to me.

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
15 Dec 2020 6:58PM
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psychomub said..
Willfully allowing your DNA to be altered for the "chance"of it working against a virus you already have a 99.9% chance of surviving is just mind bending to me.

That's not really what a vaccine does.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
15 Dec 2020 8:26PM
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TonyAbbott said..
The Queensland vaccine gave people aids

I would rather covid


Nobody got AIDS; they developed HIV anti-bodies against the protein in the vaccine, and so tested positive in an HIV test -- without actually having HIV, hence "false positive".

You get HIV, then you probably develop AIDS.
You get the flu virus, then you might develop pneumonia.
You get the corona virus SARS-CoV-2, then you might develop COVID-19.

Carantoc
WA, 7189 posts
15 Dec 2020 7:22PM
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psychomub said..
..Willfully allowing your DNA to be altered for the "chance"of it working against a virus you already have a 99.9% chance of surviving is just mind bending to me.


Willfully believing that a vaccine alters your DNA is just mind bending to me.

What - you think if you get a jab you will turn into a Stegosaurus ?

In fact, given all humans DNA 99.9% the same, you worried that a vaccine will change 0.1% of your DNA and you will wake up tomorrow as somebody else ?


hilly
WA, 7953 posts
15 Dec 2020 7:23PM
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Is there a vaccine for dumb as a box of hammers?? FFS

Carantoc
WA, 7189 posts
15 Dec 2020 7:27PM
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Hang on, psycho might be on to something here.

Maybe the vaccine will change my missus's DNA and turn her into Cara Delevingne.

Sign me up please.

Carantoc
WA, 7189 posts
15 Dec 2020 7:29PM
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sh!t.
Actually I think psycho might be right.

hashbrown has been turned into PM33. What other explanation than DNA conversion via covid vaccine ?

hashbrown
WA, 108 posts
15 Dec 2020 10:44PM
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Copied from article by Jon Rappoport.....


From the UK, The Guardian has the story: People with a history of significant allergic reactions should not receive the Covid vaccine, the medicines regulator has said, after two NHS workers experienced symptoms on Wednesday.

They just figured this out?

The Guardian is referring to the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, which has just been approved in the US.

Two people experiencing significant adverse effects may not sound important, particularly since they already a history of allergic reactions, but the following quote in the Guardian article raises major red flags a mile high The MHRA [UK Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency] advice states: 'Any person with a history of a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine or food (such as previous history of anaphylactoid reaction or those who have been advised to carry an adrenaline autoinjector) should not receive the Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine'.

Resuscitation facilities should be available at all times for all vaccinations. Vaccination should only be carried out in facilities where resuscitation measures are available'

First of all, a very large number of people have a history of allergic reactions to a vaccine or medicine or food. Automatically, these people should not take the vaccine. But how many people in the general public are aware of this restriction?

Second, with the operation to vaccinate hundreds of millions of people running at top speed, who actually believes that many locations where shots are given will have the necessary resuscitation equipment on hand? Sheer insanity.

Then, on top of all this, we have a bombshell statement from the Denver Post: Documents published by the two [vaccine] companies [Pfizer and BioNTech] showed that people with a history of severe allergic reactions were excluded from the [clinical vaccine] trials, and doctors were advised to look out for such reactions in trial participants who weren't previously known to have severe allergies.

In other words, the clinical trials were already biased, because they excluded people with a history of allergic reactions. Therefore, the performance of the vaccine looked safer. Therefore, no one would find out that allergic reactions to the vaccine are a MAJOR danger.

And NOW, as if it's nothing more than an afterthought, we get-"Oh, by the way, if people have allergies, they shouldn't take the vaccine.

Why don't regulators simply admit, this vaccine is as disastrous as possible, but we can't let that cat out of the bag.

I have written about the inherent dangers of the new experimental RNA technology deployed with this COVOD vaccine.

The world population is a vast group of guinea pigs.

Past efforts to introduce RNA tech have failed because serious autoimmune reactions have occurred. The body basically attacks itself.

What rational person would line up to take this shot?

You have to ask yourself why some Pittsburgh and Chicago medical centers aren't making the new COVID vaccine mandatory for their own healthcare workers. They've issued that announcement on the basis of wait-and-see. They know the vaccine carries major risks, and the clinical trials were far from convincing

.According to WebMD, "more than 50 million Americans suffer from allergies each year." 200,000 people come to the ER with food allergies. 4-5% of the population have food allergies.

Who can say, with certainty, how many Americans would experience, say, life- threatening anaphylactic shock from the COVID vaccine?

And when it comes to medicines, consider just one type of allergic reaction-to penicillin or antibiotics. Is the outbreak of a rash serious enough to warrant automatic exemption from the COVID vaccine?

Should shortness of breath be the standard? No one knows.

Finally, as I've reported in these pages several times, the 3 major clinical trials of COVID vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca) were designed to prevent nothing more than a "mild case of COVID-19."

That means a cough, or chills and fever. Serious cases of illness? Hospitalization? Death? These were not on the radar of the clinical trials.

Cough, or chills and fever, cure themselves naturally. No need for a vaccine.

So again, what rational person would line up to take the COVID shot?

What rational person would imagine the celebratory media coverage of the vaccine rollout, or the carnival barking of Trump, amounts to more than a typical sales job and a hustle and a con?

Of course, you're not supposed to know about the information in this article, even though it's readily available in open source literature and in mainstream news.

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
15 Dec 2020 11:36PM
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Carantoc said..
sh!t.
Actually I think psycho might be right.

hashbrown has been turned into PM33. What other explanation than DNA conversion via covid vaccine ?


Fake news! No duck quacking here.

AUS1111
WA, 3621 posts
16 Dec 2020 8:53AM
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Kamikuza said..

TonyAbbott said..
The Queensland vaccine gave people aids

I would rather covid



Nobody got AIDS; they developed HIV anti-bodies against the protein in the vaccine, and so tested positive in an HIV test -- without actually having HIV, hence "false positive".

You get HIV, then you probably develop AIDS.
You get the flu virus, then you might develop pneumonia.
You get the corona virus SARS-CoV-2, then you might develop COVID-19.


Pretty sure Tony was being facetious...

DelFuego
WA, 213 posts
16 Dec 2020 8:59AM
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Trump University of Science

hashbrown
WA, 108 posts
16 Dec 2020 10:24AM
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Mindless masses think guinea pigs - completely unable to reason for themselves they regurgitate word for word their science on it so are only too willing tp take it

For other lab rats they will just accept it in good faith without looking in to it.

For other lab rats their coercive tactics such as a potential loss of international travel or loss of employment will scare them in to accepting it.

Do not be a lab rat / guinea pig and stand up to the bullying.

elmo
WA, 8876 posts
16 Dec 2020 10:34AM
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hashbrown said..
Mindless masses think guinea pigs - completely unable to reason for themselves they regurgitate word for word their science on it so are only too willing tp take it

For other lab rats they will just accept it in good faith without looking in to it.

For other lab rats their coercive tactics such as a potential loss of international travel or loss of employment will scare them in to accepting it.

Do not be a lab rat / guinea pig and stand up to the bullying.


Wow Pete, the other heavy weather get to much for you?

Thought you had vowed never to return to the flock, but I suppose all little lost sheepies must return sooner pr later.

welcome back sheepie

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
16 Dec 2020 11:25PM
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AUS1111 said..

Kamikuza said..


TonyAbbott said..
The Queensland vaccine gave people aids

I would rather covid




Nobody got AIDS; they developed HIV anti-bodies against the protein in the vaccine, and so tested positive in an HIV test -- without actually having HIV, hence "false positive".

You get HIV, then you probably develop AIDS.
You get the flu virus, then you might develop pneumonia.
You get the corona virus SARS-CoV-2, then you might develop COVID-19.



Pretty sure Tony was being facetious...


I would have assumed so too ... if I hadn't heard/seen Aussies making exactly that comment. Without being facetious.



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