Select to expand quoteRelic said..Relic said..hashbrown said..
The U.K Government has authorized up to 120K in compensation to anyone that is 60 percent or more disabled by the vaccine.
The jab has been added to the Vaccine Damage Payments Scheme
You would think it should be the pharma companies paying and not the taxpayer.
During testing i read of numerous people suffering headaches,dizziness etc but then in another article they tell you the vaccine is completely safe. Who knows what to think anymore.
Numerous people suffer headaches dizziness from consuming Swan Brewery products too.
As for those hash brownies. It's a scientific fact they lead to an increase in hunger, drowsiness, memory loss,
paranoia and if you're lucky hallucinations.??
Select to expand quoteGazuki said..
Unfortunately I don't think it will be a choice for some like myself. As a health professional it is already mandatory for us to have the flu vaccine in order for us to practice. I'm assuming this vaccine will be the same.
In the States it's illegal to mandate an EUA which means it won't be compulsory there until at least 2023. By that logic you might find a Q.C. willing to defend a conscientious objection pro bono. It was one Q.C. at a time that has lifted Victoria's arbitrary restrictions.
Also, someone said they'll test it in the countries where it's made. It's an RNA which is easily replicated all over the world. There's a massive factory in Broadmeadows, which should make the news tonight given the numbers that were planning to protest outside of it this morning
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..
I got malaria once that was pretty fun, and than a few years ago got Ross river.
Also quite a hoot
Malaria kills more people every year , year on year and year after year... there is no vaccine or cure yet we all still do info trips and go deep into the Sumatran jungle.
If the vaccine works great and if it's proven stable with no long term side effects excellent of course I'll get it and get my kids to get it,,,, this will take around 5 years for enough proof and evidence, until than international travel is off the cards for us.
Im no conspiracy theorist but the global reset is real it's a planned agenda, what does the vaccine do to a mans sperm count or a woman's ability to produce eggs.
When COVID mutates which it will based on historical viruses will the vaccine make the outcome worse for those who did not already catch COVID, those who caught it once may only experience mild symptoms but a mutated virus could be the equivalent of getting the super flu which was around a few years ago as compared to a cold.
Too each their own
Been in iso for a week and am getting very bored so I thought I would fact check your claims about Malaria.
There where 219 million cases of Malaria world wide in 2019 that have lead to 409000 deaths.
Covid-19 so far, there have been 68 million cases of COVID-19 worldwide that have lead to 1.55 million deaths
I really wish the C.T nutters would fact check there claims
www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/malaria
covid19.who.int
Select to expand quoteRelic said..
It seems the fact that extensive scientific trials have been conducted seems to have been conviently omitted to bolster spurious argument.
Being that those of the general public who receive the vaccination are being asked to monitor and report adverse side effects, it seems the scientific trials have not been as extensive as you would assert. In fact it would appear that they have just expanded the study group size, exponentially.Select to expand quoteRelic said..
Yes vaccine development has been accelerated. So have other technologies. Science gets better and faster as time goes on. The most eminent scientists in immunology on earth have been developing vaccines in collaboration like we have never seen in history. That is why the fast delivery has been possible.
Ah, so they used time-travel technology to determine what the long-term side effects could be? They must have checked the long-term results of the vaccination, including interaction of the vaccine with existing medications...possible birth defects in babies born from mothers who had the vaccination...and other results/effects that can't be known until after a sufficient amount of time has passed.
Sure, fast delivery is possible, but this isn't like shrinking the size of a computer chip. Long term effects need to be considered, especially in rushed medicine.Select to expand quoteRelic said..
The scientific fact is that vaccines save lives.
Properly developed vaccines save lives. FTFY.
Select to expand quoteIanR said..Razzonater said..
I got malaria once that was pretty fun, and than a few years ago got Ross river.
Also quite a hoot
Malaria kills more people every year , year on year and year after year... there is no vaccine or cure yet we all still do info trips and go deep into the Sumatran jungle.
If the vaccine works great and if it's proven stable with no long term side effects excellent of course I'll get it and get my kids to get it,,,, this will take around 5 years for enough proof and evidence, until than international travel is off the cards for us.
Im no conspiracy theorist but the global reset is real it's a planned agenda, what does the vaccine do to a mans sperm count or a woman's ability to produce eggs.
When COVID mutates which it will based on historical viruses will the vaccine make the outcome worse for those who did not already catch COVID, those who caught it once may only experience mild symptoms but a mutated virus could be the equivalent of getting the super flu which was around a few years ago as compared to a cold.
Too each their own
Been in iso for a week and am getting very bored so I thought I would fact check your claims about Malaria.
There where 219 million cases of Malaria world wide in 2019 that have lead to 409000 deaths.
Covid-19 so far, there have been 68 million cases of COVID-19 worldwide that have lead to 1.55 million deaths
I really wish the C.T nutters would fact check there claims
www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/malaria
covid19.who.int
But still kills more people at 400k a year every year, so in terms of a major mortality cause, which gets very little coverage or funding, reasonable point?
The U.K Health Minister Matt Hancock was on National television yesterday crying over the rollout of the vaccination.
Talk about crocodile tears.
I listened to a awesome interview with doctor Lorraine Day last night on the subject and according to her it is the absolute last thing you want to be taking.
On the total numbers of deaths - the CDC has admitted on their website that a staggering 94 percent of deaths in the U.S had an average of 2.6 other co morbidities.
Doctor Lorraine Day -
As a promoter of alternative medicine she claims to have discovered the cause and cure of cancer, as a result of God showing her how to recover from her own cancer with a 10 step plan.
Sounds Legit
At least Astra Zeneca are taking a bit more of a measured approach to the release of their vaccine.
But yeah, I'm sure Pfizer are fully aware of the potential long term effects of theirs...history shows that big phama always put their customers first over profit...
www.smh.com.au/world/europe/testing-times-more-work-needed-on-astrazeneca-oxford-vaccine-trials-20201209-p56lts.html
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
The U.K Health Minister Matt Hancock was on National television yesterday crying over the rollout of the vaccination.
Talk about crocodile tears.
I listened to a awesome interview with doctor Lorraine Day last night on the subject and according to her it is the absolute last thing you want to be taking.
On the total numbers of deaths - the CDC has admitted on their website that a staggering 94 percent of deaths in the U.S had an average of 2.6 other co morbidities.
After 10 minutes of research, she sounds like a fruit cake and i wouldnt listen to a word that comes out of her mouth.
Select to expand quoteCH3MTR4IL5
But still kills more people at 400k a year every year, so in terms of a major mortality cause, which gets very little coverage or funding, reasonable point?
COVID-19 has only been around for a year and it has killed nearly 4 times the amount of people in that year than have died from Malaria and there has been 4 times the number of people infected by malaria in 2019 than Covid in the last year so the mortality rate is roughly 8 time's greater
100's of billions dollars have been spent trying to control Malaria. Where are you getting your information from. Malaria was eradicated in Australia in 1981 so odiously it get very little coverage here. www2.health.vic.gov.au/public-health/infectious-diseases/disease-information-advice/malaria
God I'm so bored to even try using logic and facts to discuss this with a C.T. Nutter Your point is mute
Select to expand quoteIanR said..CH3MTR4IL5
But still kills more people at 400k a year every year, so in terms of a major mortality cause, which gets very little coverage or funding, reasonable point?
COVID-19 has only been around for a year and it has killed nearly 4 times the amount of people in that year than have died from Malaria and there has been 4 times the number of people infected by malaria in 2019 than Covid in the last year so the mortality rate is roughly 8 time's greater
100's of billions dollars have been spent trying to control Malaria. Where are you getting your information from. Malaria was eradicated in Australia in 1981 so odiously it get very little coverage here. www2.health.vic.gov.au/public-health/infectious-diseases/disease-information-advice/malaria
God I'm so bored to even try using logic and facts to discuss this with a C.T. Nutter Your point is mute
The only correction I can offer to your post is that its 'moot', but otherwise, logic does not apply.
Yeah, sure Covid19 is just another copy of SARS and we got through that, and its just like a mild cold, and those people dying are all dying anyway... yeah, tell that to people who have had family members die from it.
I almost cry when I read people saying that its preventable with a 'organic diet'. WTF? What planet are these people from and what proof/evidence/semblance of scientific fact do they use to come to this conclusion. "Yeah, my Immune system is healthy because I eat organic"... right! Even the best immune system is easy prey to a virus it has not seen before and its aggressive.
Select to expand quotepoor relative said..
Doctor Lorraine Day -
As a promoter of alternative medicine she claims to have discovered the cause and cure of cancer, as a result of God showing her how to recover from her own cancer with a 10 step plan.
Sounds Legit
Careful, hashbrown33 may take you at your word and believe it.
If God was able to show someone how to recover from their own cancer, why did they deliver it to people? Why did they then back it up with bat-soup Covid19?
Is this an angry god where you have to be on his side or he smites you?
In an October article, Dr. Michael Yeadon, who "spent over 30 years leading new (allergy and respiratory) medicines research in some of the world's largest pharmaceutical companies," and retired from the COVID-19 vaccine developer Pfizer, with "the most senior research position in this field," dismissed the COVID-19 vaccine.
"There is absolutely no need for vaccines to extinguish the pandemic," Yeadon said. "I've never heard such nonsense talked about vaccines. You do not vaccinate people who aren't at risk from a disease. You also don't set about planning to vaccinate millions of fit and healthy people with a vaccine that hasn't been extensively tested on human subjects.
"The technology involved in administering the vaccine, as used by Pfizer and Moderna, is so novel that it has yet to be approved by the Food and Drug Administration, as admitted by Pfizer itself.
It also avails of "messenger RNA," which directly affects a person's cells, and is "a vaccine technology that's so new, no mRNA vaccines have ever been approved by the Food and Drug Administration.
"Doctors from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP), advising the CDC, warned that patients needed to be informed about the side effects of COVID-19 vaccines.
According to a report from CNBC, Dr. Sandra Fryhofer of the American Medical Association stressed that "We really need to make patients aware that this is not going to be a walk in the park," she said. "They are going to know they had a vaccine. They are probably not going to feel wonderful. But they've got to come back for that second dose." Some of the immediate results from some of the vaccine trials have included "severe" complications, involving headaches, fever, body aches and symptoms similar to a "severe hangover."
Copied from the Lifesite website.
Select to expand quotecrustysailor said..
its not heavy weather, just slightly overcast with a chance of scepticism.
As to the vaccine, i'm glad we are in Aus.
CV isn't much fun and the consequences can be long lasting even if you recover
Yes I'll take it, but in time enough for it to have gone through Uk, USA etc. first
How can you say " the consequences can be long lasting even when you recover " when it's only been experienced less than a year ? It would take 10 years at least after Covid to make that statement based on long term studies and medical fact.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
The U.K Health Minister Matt Hancock was on National television yesterday crying over the rollout of the vaccination.
Talk about crocodile tears.
I listened to a awesome interview with doctor Lorraine Day last night on the subject and according to her it is the absolute last thing you want to be taking.
On the total numbers of deaths - the CDC has admitted on their website that a staggering 94 percent of deaths in the U.S had an average of 2.6 other co morbidities.
Also most covid deaths and severe patients of covid have low vitamin D, such as bed bound elderly and sick patients, and people forcibly locked away in their homes by politicians.
Maybe vit D is really important too. Maybe we just need an injection of disinfecting sunlight.
www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77093-z
Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
Maybe vit D is really important too. ..
Yeah, that's exactly the diss-info what "they" want you to beLIEve.
I heard that vitamin D assists the body to absorb calcium, magnesium and phosphate.
Excess calcium carbonate causes weakness, confusion and feeling tired. Just what they want you to be so they can control you.
Magnesium is the main ingredient in secret military grade nano-thermite, need I say more ?
Phosphate - well, do your own research
Did you know that "vaccine" is an anagram of CEVA Inc. ??
CEVA is a multinational computer chip developer with its main factory in Israel. It specializes in developing facial recognition technology.
Can this get any more obvious ???? Even a child can see it. Wake up.
Select to expand quoteSurfer62 said..crustysailor said..
its not heavy weather, just slightly overcast with a chance of scepticism.
As to the vaccine, i'm glad we are in Aus.
CV isn't much fun and the consequences can be long lasting even if you recover
Yes I'll take it, but in time enough for it to have gone through Uk, USA etc. first
How can you say " the consequences can be long lasting even when you recover " when it's only been experienced less than a year ? It would take 10 years at least after Covid to make that statement based on long term studies and medical fact.
Lung scarring people have suffered from Covid doesn't heal. Sounds pretty long-lasting to me, among other afflictions people have been struck with.
Select to expand quoteIanR said..CH3MTR4IL5
But still kills more people at 400k a year every year, so in terms of a major mortality cause, which gets very little coverage or funding, reasonable point?
COVID-19 has only been around for a year and it has killed nearly 4 times the amount of people in that year than have died from Malaria and there has been 4 times the number of people infected by malaria in 2019 than Covid in the last year so the mortality rate is roughly 8 time's greater
100's of billions dollars have been spent trying to control Malaria. Where are you getting your information from. Malaria was eradicated in Australia in 1981 so odiously it get very little coverage here. www2.health.vic.gov.au/public-health/infectious-diseases/disease-information-advice/malaria
God I'm so bored to even try using logic and facts to discuss this with a C.T. Nutter Your point is mute
I am getting my information from the World Health Organisation, the same place you went to:
Malaria eradication is underfunded by $1.8 billion, the level of investment has dropped and we are not on track to achieve WHO's milestone targets for malaria reduction, and this funding is not enough to reduce the mortality rate which has plateaued.
I understand that you are too bored to try and use logic and facts, but if you're going to dispute the proposition, then it is probably necessary. Otherwise you're just another C.T. nutter.
I am not supporting hashbrown33's wider position, or making any comment on covid. I do agree with the general position that malaria is a significant killer which is underfunded and doesn't get much coverage, and this point is still valid, even though the numbers spouted by both of you are wrong (his incorrect assertion on the covid vs malaria deaths, or your unfounded figure of "100s of billions of dollars have been spent" which doesn't tally with year on year global spending cited by WHO. It would require $150 billion to have been spent prior to year 2000 on malaria compared with ~50 billion in the 2000-2020 period).
If you overcome the boredom and want to break it down with logic and facts, here's the whole proposition summarised again.
"The OP's point that malaria is a major mortality cause which gets very little coverage or funding is reasonable".
www.facebook.com/100051400320585/videos/193945685662108/
things have got a bit weird, its a sad day for science when these kooks get a following
Let's consider a litigious society for a moment.
Sure, big pharma will make a killing out of these vaccines. There is no question about that.
However, consider the size of the class action lawsuits if these vaccines have a higher than expected rate of significant adverse effects.
With these vaccines rolling out to billions of people, the law suits would cripple these big pharma companies. They don't want that. They also have some of the best scientists in the world working for them (in addition to the best legal teams).
Same with the governments 'forcing' vaccination. What will those lawsuits look like?
Yes, these vaccines are rolling out/developed in record breaking time, but will the big pharma/governments be wanting to risk the $$$ if they weren't confident of the outcomes?
The Big Pharma companies are not risking anything. The Australian Government around October gave then indemnity from any claims of harm caused by the shots.
The taxpayer will foot the bill.
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Let's consider a litigious society for a moment.
Sure, big pharma will make a killing out of these vaccines. There is no question about that.
However, consider the size of the class action lawsuits if these vaccines have a higher than expected rate of significant adverse effects.
With these vaccines rolling out to billions of people, the law suits would cripple these big pharma companies. They don't want that. They also have some of the best scientists in the world working for them (in addition to the best legal teams).
Same with the governments 'forcing' vaccination. What will those lawsuits look like?
Yes, these vaccines are rolling out/developed in record breaking time, but will the big pharma/governments be wanting to risk the $$$ if they weren't confident of the outcomes?
Pretty much every government has a no-fault compensation scheme for vaccinations for exactly this reason, because pharmaceutical companies won't bear this risk because in most cases the return on vaccines is not that large for the R&D costs, so factoring in potential liability makes it not worth their investment (covid probably an exception).
In Australia, the government has indemnified the providers for this.
www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2020/10/20/who-pays-compensation-if-a-covid19-vaccine-has-rare-side-effects.html
It is payouts from the US vaccine compensation scheme that essentially fuels every conspiracy theory about vaccine efficacy and safety - the burden of proof is intentionally low to encourage people to vaccinate.
www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/index.html
quote: "The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is a no-fault alternative to the traditional legal system for resolving vaccine injury petitions. It was created in the 1980s, after lawsuits against vaccine companies and health care providers threatened to cause vaccine shortages and reduce U.S. vaccination rates, which could have caused a resurgence of vaccine preventable diseases. Any individual, of any age, who received a covered vaccine and believes he or she was injured as a result, can file a petition. Parents, legal guardians and legal representatives can file on behalf of children, disabled adults, and individuals who are deceased."
Ethically this is so wrong.
If you develop a treatment you surely have to take responsibility for any potential damage you cause.
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Ethically this is so wrong.
If you develop a treatment you surely have to take responsibility for any potential damage you cause.
Yes, sure, next thing you will be expecting an ambulance paramedic to ensure that you are 100% fine after the stay in hospital. They are treating you, so surely they have the onus to make sure you are perfect?
Where does it stop? Doctors who won't touch you because anything they do to prevent something could kill you?
Come on jaoie get a grip. His testimony cannot be taken seriously until such time it is aired on the mainstream media.
Till then its just a CT.
The middle and long term effects of this vaccine cannot be known - period.
Now if you STILL want to sign up to take it then you have no one but yourself to blame were your health to go pear shaped.
