Select to expand quotebrody1 said..
Laurie runs this site like his a king and answers to no one
Well - Laurie created Seabreeze, and owns Seabreeze, so as far as I am concerned - that makes him the Boss!
Rupert and SN, they cant go one post without trying to elevate themselves via mentioning they were in the military,
When did I say I was in the military?
stephen
I really feel sorry for all you people that thrive on obeying all the rules without question and then justify your position with the majority is right or some other arguement.
You dont need to come running everytime somebody in authority blows their whistle and tells you what to do.
I suppose however if you just blindly follow all orders by anybody in authority you wont need to do a lot of thinking for yourself.
Just a thought...
Have you ever considered the fact that this guy, who spends pretty much everyday at the beach im assuming, surfs too? And probably has done for years. As much as not having any "choice" sucks, I can first hand say these guys are just doing their job. After numerous body recoveries and attempted CPR's, and on people the last thing they need or want is for people to act like jerks when they're just doing their job.
You've got a job I'm assuming? You're a tax payer just like them? Suck it up. Sounds like they gave you decent warning to get out the water and you didn't.
Do you save over 60 people a day from drowning all day everyday in summer? (Check the paper) Have you performed CPR on a guy that's clearly dead but you have to keep going because it's your job?
There were sharks at mettams for the last 2 months, which has resulted in ongoing media coverage. Imagine if a shark siting (usually at the actual trig beach itself for it to be closed) and not down further, in which they did not do their job and you got bitten. Imagine the media. The guy would probably get his ass teamed, you'd probably try and sue, and all because you wanted to have your "choice". Who cares if you get bitten? I dont, do whatever you want. But don't try and point the blame on the people who try and look out for your welfare mate.
And to the person who says "they signed up for this". Yeah they did, but they still don't ask to be abused by people who are doing the wrong thing.
Pay the fine mate. You were clearly in the wrong. If you've got enough time to try and fight it, I'd say go and do some volunteer work on the holidays and weekends at the beach. Then maybe you'll start listening to what they say.
Western Australia
LOCAL GOVERNMENT (MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS) ACT 1960
Local Government Model By-laws (Safety, Decency, Convenience and Comfort of Persons In Respect of Bathing) No. 14 Local Government Department,
3. Interpretation In these by-laws, unless the context otherwise requires —
“authorised person” means a Beach Patrol officer or Inspector of the Council appointed as such or any member of a lifesaving patrol who is in charge of that patrol;
“bathing” includes entry into the sea and emerging therefrom; it also includes the use of bathing appliances;
“bathing appliance” means a float of any material, surf ski, surf board, kick board, malibu board, boat or any other device used or for use in bathing or surf riding;
“bathing area” means an area that is from time to time set aside pursuant to by-law 10 of these by laws as a bathing area;
This is a direct extract from the ACT, it also goes onto state, it is an offence not to give your name and place of residence to a Beach inspector. All WA police officers have been given the same powers as a beach inspector.
But Mitch seems a bit hard don by given the distance from Mettams.
No I'm not :) I frequent the site but honestly this is the first post that has provoked me to respond. I don't have to know or be a beach inspector to realise the same thing that volunteers and lifeguards go through probably happens to beach inspectors.
It's a simple matter of respecting the job they do at the beach, paid or unpaid. They're trying to help. Not everyone in a position of authority is trying take advantage of people. If you respect people regardless of who they are, generally you get a good response back :)
I don't think you understand that people should be standing up against bull**** laws. You should not have to just obey every rule forced upon you. If you don't stand up against this then the next rule to make your life safer will start to be invented. They must be seen to be doing something to justify their jobs.
What if the next rule is no surfing in over 4 foot swell? Surely most surf fatalities happen in 4ft plus. Will you just stop surfing when directed to by council? What if it's the best day of the year?
If you say that you would just get out because a law is a law then I'd say you are one of the weakest people alive. Grow a spine and fight for your ever decreasing rights to enjoyment.
I reckon that if your board is under 6'6" you should have to wear a life jacket.
A high vis one.
So - just asking ? - if I was out surfing with a proven shark deterrent system on my board would I be exempt from the loud hailer ?? and subsequent LC fine?
What was the fine for again ? - disobeying a loud hailer ?? I read this thread and all I could think of was the Monty Python skit about 'bring out the dead - like - I'm out surfing and not dead yet - Oh shut up or Ill fine ya!!!
Select to expand quoteTaytay said...
No I'm not :) I frequent the site but honestly this is the first post that has provoked me to respond. I don't have to know or be a beach inspector to realise the same thing that volunteers and lifeguards go through probably happens to beach inspectors.
It's a simple matter of respecting the job they do at the beach, paid or unpaid. They're trying to help. Not everyone in a position of authority is trying take advantage of people. If you respect people regardless of who they are, generally you get a good response back :)
I can appreciate that the authoritarian figure had his safety in mind when tried to call him out of the surf, but for him to be issuing a fine for this is ludicrous, on so many levels.
It sounds to me like the council have invented a regulation to allow this. It wouldn't surprise me if this or another similar case got taken to court and the council was found to have overstepped their jurisdiction. Since when do they have 200m of ocean in their boundary?
This whole business of issuing fines for not obeying vocal orders should remain in the powers of police, no one else.
Select to expand quoteLambie said..
So - just asking ? - if I was out surfing with a proven shark deterrent system on my board would I be exempt from the loud hailer ?? and subsequent LC fine?
What was the fine for again ? - disobeying a loud hailer ?? I read this thread and all I could think of was the Monty Python skit about 'bring out the dead - like - I'm out surfing and not dead yet - Oh shut up or Ill fine ya!!!
If you understood any of the shark deterrents on the market, you'd know they are not designed to make you invisible to sharks, they are designed to give you a chance to exit the surf if a shark decides it wants to nibble on you..
I find this thread hilarious that its all about someone whinging he was warned about a shark in the water 
Select to expand quotejbshack said...Lambie said..
So - just asking ? - if I was out surfing with a proven shark deterrent system on my board would I be exempt from the loud hailer ?? and subsequent LC fine?
What was the fine for again ? - disobeying a loud hailer ?? I read this thread and all I could think of was the Monty Python skit about 'bring out the dead - like - I'm out surfing and not dead yet - Oh shut up or Ill fine ya!!!
I find this thread hilarious that its all about someone whinging he was warned about a shark in the water
It's the fact he got fined for it that's got everyone in opposition warmed up. I don't think anyone thinks it was a bad thing he got warned of a shark.
Select to expand quoteSubsonic said..Taytay said...
No I'm not :) I frequent the site but honestly this is the first post that has provoked me to respond. I don't have to know or be a beach inspector to realise the same thing that volunteers and lifeguards go through probably happens to beach inspectors.
It's a simple matter of respecting the job they do at the beach, paid or unpaid. They're trying to help. Not everyone in a position of authority is trying take advantage of people. If you respect people regardless of who they are, generally you get a good response back :)
I can appreciate that the authoritarian figure had his safety in mind when tried to call him out of the surf, but for him to be issuing a fine for this is ludicrous, on so many levels.
It sounds to me like the council have invented a regulation to allow this. It wouldn't surprise me if this or another case got taken to court and the council was found to have overstepped their jurisdiction. Since when do they have 200m of ocean in their boundary?
This whole business of issuing fines for not obeying vocal orders should remain in the powers of police, no one else.
Id say that he got the fine for being a dick to the inspector.
Its worth noting that councils and governments don't won't beaches closed. They recently even changed the rules on when they will close a beach. Perviously if a shark was 1km away they would close the beach. Now the beach will only be closed if a shark over 3 mtr is with in 500 m. SO the warnings wouldn't have been for a shark a few kms away, yet probably very near by..People stay out in the water and get attacked, soon you will see the law stretched further to help protect the stupid people and you may find the beaches even more regulated 
Select to expand quoteSubsonic said..jbshack said...Lambie said..
So - just asking ? - if I was out surfing with a proven shark deterrent system on my board would I be exempt from the loud hailer ?? and subsequent LC fine?
What was the fine for again ? - disobeying a loud hailer ?? I read this thread and all I could think of was the Monty Python skit about 'bring out the dead - like - I'm out surfing and not dead yet - Oh shut up or Ill fine ya!!!
I find this thread hilarious that its all about someone whinging he was warned about a shark in the water
It's the fact he got fined for it that's got everyone in opposition warmed up. I don't think anyone thinks it was a bad thing he got warned of a shark.
So can you imagine the way he must have talked and treated to the inspector to get the ticket 
Get pulled over by a cop and give them a mouth full, see how well that goes for ya 
Select to expand quotejbshack said...Subsonic said..jbshack said...Lambie said..
So - just asking ? - if I was out surfing with a proven shark deterrent system on my board would I be exempt from the loud hailer ?? and subsequent LC fine?
What was the fine for again ? - disobeying a loud hailer ?? I read this thread and all I could think of was the Monty Python skit about 'bring out the dead - like - I'm out surfing and not dead yet - Oh shut up or Ill fine ya!!!
I find this thread hilarious that its all about someone whinging he was warned about a shark in the water
It's the fact he got fined for it that's got everyone in opposition warmed up. I don't think anyone thinks it was a bad thing he got warned of a shark.
So can you imagine the way he must have talked and treated to the inspector to get the ticket
Get pulled over by a cop and give them a mouth full, see how well that goes for ya
I (and you) can only go off what he's written up in his posts but it sounds like he didn't say anything amiss or rude to the beach inspector. He just argued his case and refused to give his details to him. All quite reasonable considering the circumstances.
As for "giving the cops a mouthful" you quite obviously didn't read my whole post further up the page. Further to that, if all the cop shows on tv are anything to go by, the police are the last people to get carried away with the powers given to them to fine people for not following their orders.
Select to expand quotejbshack said..Subsonic said..Taytay said...
No I'm not :) I frequent the site but honestly this is the first post that has provoked me to respond. I don't have to know or be a beach inspector to realise the same thing that volunteers and lifeguards go through probably happens to beach inspectors.
It's a simple matter of respecting the job they do at the beach, paid or unpaid. They're trying to help. Not everyone in a position of authority is trying take advantage of people. If you respect people regardless of who they are, generally you get a good response back :)
I can appreciate that the authoritarian figure had his safety in mind when tried to call him out of the surf, but for him to be issuing a fine for this is ludicrous, on so many levels.
It sounds to me like the council have invented a regulation to allow this. It wouldn't surprise me if this or another case got taken to court and the council was found to have overstepped their jurisdiction. Since when do they have 200m of ocean in their boundary?
This whole business of issuing fines for not obeying vocal orders should remain in the powers of police, no one else.
Id say that he got the fine for being a dick to the inspector.
Its worth noting that councils and governments don't won't beaches closed. They recently even changed the rules on when they will close a beach. Perviously if a shark was 1km away they would close the beach. Now the beach will only be closed if a shark over 3 mtr is with in 500 m. SO the warnings wouldn't have been for a shark a few kms away, yet probably very near by..People stay out in the water and get attacked, soon you will see the law stretched further to help protect the stupid people and you may find the beaches even more regulated
If that line above is written in law "only be closed if a shark over 3m is within 500m" then there is your out. Take it to court.
Yep take it to court.
Spend 2 days at court and lose 2 days pay if working (~$300).
The ranger/beach inspector will not remember from the other people that he has fined over the past 3 months, but will say that it was you anyway. He had forgotten about 5 minutes after issuing the fine, and moved onto the next issue. He will not remember the other numpties in the water, nor where the shark was at the time.
The magistrate will not be interested, so will find in the government's favour.
So you will then pay an increased fine (~$1k) and court and witness cost (another $1k?).
So instead of $250, you will be a couple of k out of pocket. You could then refuse to pay that, and on it goes.
But heck give it a try - it is only money. Go for it. Looking forward to the next installment
Select to expand quoteBigwavedave said..
Pretty sure you lent your car to a mate that day!!
then he'd be told to fill a stat dec saying who drove the car and their address…..like any traffic/council infringement.
and i don't think D.Duck from Disneyland would cut it.
Select to expand quoteCobra said...
i piss myself laughing when people advise others to fight it in court.
"A man who is his own lawyer has a fool for a client". Especially if you seek advice from the Internet.
Select to expand quotesmicko said..jbshack said..Subsonic said..Taytay said...
No I'm not :) I frequent the site but honestly this is the first post that has provoked me to respond. I don't have to know or be a beach inspector to realise the same thing that volunteers and lifeguards go through probably happens to beach inspectors.
It's a simple matter of respecting the job they do at the beach, paid or unpaid. They're trying to help. Not everyone in a position of authority is trying take advantage of people. If you respect people regardless of who they are, generally you get a good response back :)
I can appreciate that the authoritarian figure had his safety in mind when tried to call him out of the surf, but for him to be issuing a fine for this is ludicrous, on so many levels.
It sounds to me like the council have invented a regulation to allow this. It wouldn't surprise me if this or another case got taken to court and the council was found to have overstepped their jurisdiction. Since when do they have 200m of ocean in their boundary?
This whole business of issuing fines for not obeying vocal orders should remain in the powers of police, no one else.
Id say that he got the fine for being a dick to the inspector.
Its worth noting that councils and governments don't won't beaches closed. They recently even changed the rules on when they will close a beach. Perviously if a shark was 1km away they would close the beach. Now the beach will only be closed if a shark over 3 mtr is with in 500 m. SO the warnings wouldn't have been for a shark a few kms away, yet probably very near by..People stay out in the water and get attacked, soon you will see the law stretched further to help protect the stupid people and you may find the beaches even more regulated
If that line above is written in law "only be closed if a shark over 3m is within 500m" then there is your out. Take it to court.
It was the new parameters that were introduced in January when after the drum lines. They changed the parameters for beach closure and then claimed that due to the drum line cull had helped reduce beach closures by more than 50%. All that means is you will now only get warned when a shark is 500 m away instead of 1 km away.
The point Smicko still is he had no idea of what size shark he was being warned for. Do you imagine that Beach inspectors would clear south Trigg for a small bronze whaler at Mettams During the time Mitch was fined there were multiple warnings so, the alarm was more likely for a 3.5 mt or 4 mt great white, not a bronze whaler miles away.
Another question is what happens when he ignores the beach inspector, then loses a leg and then his life. His family turn around and sue the government for not doing their job properly and warning beach users about the shark..
This entire thread is absolutely laughable..Stupid laws get made and brought into action because people are soo stupid that they need to be managed so. Like people ignoring shark warnings at a beach, or people being forced to drive sober 
I too believe this thread is laughable. IT IS NOT THE JOB OF A LOCAL COUNCIL TO TELL PEOPLE WHEN THEY CAN OR CAN'T SURF. End of story.
And those people can get out of the water if warned. The council should not be forcing people out.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said...DARTH said...kiterboy said..DARTH said...
About two years ago maybe longer we were surfing down at Secret Harbour wasn't the best a bit side shore and lumpy but waves were ok.
Mate swore he saw a fin I didn't, 10mins later the SLS in the rib came up to us to warn us of a sighting and we should think about going in.
Heaps of people didn't, we did.
I'm not willing to risk getting injured or killed. No bravado here.
At the end of the day it's your choice if you want to get fined or not, no matter what the law is.
Ah, so you're saying that we can choose to be fined or not, regardless of the law?
Far out you have the comprehension of a 2yo haha
No, thats not what I'm saying fool. It's your choice to stay out or come in. Stay out, get fined. Come in, you don't.
See how that works you idiot 
Hate to break it to ya, but that is EXACTLY what you said.
Your emoticon only responses add more to the conversation than when you try to sound clever.
I am an English teacher and if you ask me you either fail for not being capable of inferential and contextual reading, or you fail for being a smart arse and deliberately misreading.
Take your pick.
Select to expand quotethedrip said..kiterboy said...DARTH said...kiterboy said..DARTH said...
About two years ago maybe longer we were surfing down at Secret Harbour wasn't the best a bit side shore and lumpy but waves were ok.
Mate swore he saw a fin I didn't, 10mins later the SLS in the rib came up to us to warn us of a sighting and we should think about going in.
Heaps of people didn't, we did.
I'm not willing to risk getting injured or killed. No bravado here.
At the end of the day it's your choice if you want to get fined or not, no matter what the law is.
Ah, so you're saying that we can choose to be fined or not, regardless of the law?
Far out you have the comprehension of a 2yo haha
No, thats not what I'm saying fool. It's your choice to stay out or come in. Stay out, get fined. Come in, you don't.
See how that works you idiot
Hate to break it to ya, but that is EXACTLY what you said.
Your emoticon only responses add more to the conversation than when you try to sound clever.
I am an English teacher and if you ask me you either fail for not being capable of inferential and contextual reading, or you fail for being a smart arse and deliberately misreading.
Take your pick.
You missed the part where noone asked you, Mr English teacher.
You can't fail for both possible outcomes of an assessment, one has to be right.
I either fail the comprehension and pass on the deliberate misreading, or I pass on the comprehension and fail on the deliberate misreading.
Fail for you, Mr Teacher.
