Select to expand quoteCobra said...kiterboy said..
Cobra said...
kiterboy said..
Cobra said...
kiterboy said..
Now, please answer this, those of you in support of the fines.
Dropping 5km 'apparently' saves lives on the road - so from now on, those caught doing 5km over the speed limit, gets a $250 fine.
You know those 5km are crucial and can make the difference in everyone being safer.
Would you support this?
Ok i will answer this,,but first.
will i still get fined for dropping 5km before tailgating and riding my motorbike in the rain full of meth.
and will that fine have anything to do with this post.
How about you have a bit of a rethink and write what you want to say a bit more legibly. Cheers.
I see, you also need to work on your comprehension.
Keep working at it buddy, you'll get there.
like yours, none of it has anything to do with the topic.
keep working on your analogy champ,you'll get there 
No amount of rewriting, not that it's required, will help your substandard comprehension.
You were below the tide line, I'd say that's out of council jurisdiction, who's to say it was your car, The Council have no idea who they are fining.
Is their a council by law that specifically states given a shark warning you must exit the water or their will be a finE?
If there is ya fcked.
If not, then they can't make you pay it.
So is there one ?
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Is their a council by law that specifically states given a shark warning you must exit the water or their will be a finE?
If there is ya fcked.
If not, then they can't make you pay it.
So is there one ?
Hahaha the fine details that i broke the "Local government property local law 2009: 9.1;Failure to obey lawful direction of an authorised person" (ifyou google this you can find the main document where there is ZERO mention of anything to do with sharks)
Surely the water isnt local govt property.... 
Select to expand quotemitchupc said..eppo said..
Is their a council by law that specifically states given a shark warning you must exit the water or their will be a finE?
If there is ya fcked.
If not, then they can't make you pay it.
So is there one ?
Hahaha the fine details that i broke the "Local government property local law 2009: 9.1;Failure to obey lawful direction of an authorised person" (ifyou google this you can find the main document where there is ZERO mention of anything to do with sharks)
Surely the water isnt local govt property....
you so sure about that? parks and wildlife? department of fisheries and agriculture? local by laws etc....
Select to expand quotemitchupc said...eppo said..
Is their a council by law that specifically states given a shark warning you must exit the water or their will be a finE?
If there is ya fcked.
If not, then they can't make you pay it.
So is there one ?
Hahaha the fine details that i broke the "Local government property local law 2009: 9.1;Failure to obey lawful direction of an authorised person" (ifyou google this you can find the main document where there is ZERO mention of anything to do with sharks)
Surely the water isnt local govt property....
It'd be worth researching. Reasonably sure the council jurisdiction ends at the low tide level, and his threat to call the police sounds like maybe he doesn't consider himself to be in authority.
I suppose it comes down to whether he had authority or not.
It could be argued that by trying to enforce a fine like this, they are in a way admitting liability for an individual's actions too.
Another power tripper putting in their contribution to the nanny state. Someday you won't be able to cross a road without a "responsible authority figure" being there to hold your hand.
The issue is you see the helicopter but really have no idea if there is one shark or more sharks close by. Next you by not getting out of the water set an example to others also not obey local law enforcement, imagine some young kids see you turn up your nose and do the same thing? What if one is attacked? Should then bare some responsibility for their attack. Finally I'm not sure that volunteer surf life saving is a paid gig ??
It's a first world problem your complaining about. Except the consequence and move on.
So this was a 'beach inspector'.. Aka life savings organisation or a ranger ?
So even the guy with the budgy smugglers and weird hat, in a non for profit organisation can issue a fine. (They do an important job of course, dont get me wrong).
do they even come under council jurisidI ction?
we have this beach boat ramp down here, that is rarely used at the best of times, and most definetly NEVER in winter or when it's blowing anymore than 15 knots. But apparently it's for boats only. So imagine not a soul around, nobody...a few cars parked on the side of a road leading to the boat ramp (so cars not even on the beach boat ramp), ranger comes down starting to give fines.
I said said where's your bloody common sense man and he said 'they are the rules'... He didn't fine us in the end, but it just goes to show you we legislate and make rules for the 1 percent of fck knuckles That MIGHT do the wrong thing.
...anyhow back to your issue. Given the heightened state of alert, the political nature of this issue (in that they have to be seen doing something for all the left wing hippy, its not my fault fck sticks, mummy used to breast feed me on cracked nipples, zombie parasitic - what about poor old me, I can't be held responsible for my own actions cause I got daddy issues..now give me some hard earned tax dollars for contributing sweet fck all, )... I would just pay it.
you are up **** creek without a paddle in this current environment. The burden as always, is falling more and more on the middle class paying people who are working hard and doing the right thing. I see it in schools now, 90 percent of resources are wasted on the 5 percent of box folders that will be lucky to pay a decent tax dollar in their life. While the normal hard working next generation of tax paying kids are left to their own devices...
pay it, move on. Systems fcked, you know it and I know it.
Unless of course you are from a minority class, sexuality, race, disability ..something or other you could probably get off it.
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So even the guy with the budgy smugglers and weird hat, in a non for profit organisation can issue a fine. (They do an important job of course, dont get me wrong).
I was at city Beach last season
Two little kids, no older than 8
One on a foamy
One on a beat up ol glass board
Were playing together in the 1 foot wind swell between the flags
There was no one else anywhere near them
There wasn't even anyone else in the flagged area
Captain Muppet comes down to the water
And barks at the kid with the glass board
Ordering him out of the flags
I interjected
Explaining that it was probably safer for the kid to play between the flags
When captain Muppet beat his chest and proclaimed he was actually patrol captain Muppet and this was his beach and the kid was a danger to others.
Surflifesaving can go suck a fat one
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The issue is you see the helicopter but really have no idea if there is one shark or more sharks close by. Next you by not getting out of the water set an example to others also not obey local law enforcement, imagine some young kids see you turn up your nose and do the same thing? What if one is attacked? Should then bare some responsibility for their attack. Finally I'm not sure that volunteer surf life saving is a paid gig ??
It's a first world problem your complaining about. Except the consequence and move on.
I think he has a right to complain. I get totally pissed off at the amount of adults who I see ride a push bike without a helmet. I've seen coppers more than once drive on when this "life endangering "offence has taken place.
I would bet my house on it , that there would have been several "cyclists" ridden by ,in the time during the dick from the council was hasseling the dude in the water. I know, cos I see them EVERY KN DAY !!! Why didn't he phone the cops for that !!!?
If I tried it , I'd get a fine
I would take a good hard look at the by-law wording - they don't have jurisdiction over the water so I'd strongly suspect their power to close a beach is to stop people from getting in the water.... not fine people who don't get out of it.
But then like Chris says maybe also have a good look at why you got the ticket, apologetic works better than argumentative and he does have the power to ask for your name, at which point you added to the matter by driving away.
Who says the chopper was over the shark, they could have lost sight of it. If the Ranger wasn't wasting time talking to you he could be out looking for the shark too. Bigger picture.....
Personally, someone who spends all day on Grinder has no jurisdiction to tell me to get out of the water.
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we have this beach boat ramp down here, that is rarely used at the best of times, and most definetly NEVER in winter or when it's blowing anymore than 15 knots. But apparently it's for boats only. So imagine not a soul around, nobody...a few cars parked on the side of a road leading to the boat ramp (so cars not even on the beach boat ramp), ranger comes down starting to give fines.
Yeah... was at that "ramp" showing the kids the huge waves in a winter front - us being the only car on the ramp area when some old bloke walking his dog came up and started having a go about "blocking the ramp up" and "you haven't even got a boat trailer on" and "I'm calling the council" (mutter mutter choking on his own rage)
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The issue is you see the helicopter but really have no idea if there is one shark or more sharks close by. Next you by not getting out of the water set an example to others also not obey local law enforcement, imagine some young kids see you turn up your nose and do the same thing? What if one is attacked? Should then bare some responsibility for their attack. Finally I'm not sure that volunteer surf life saving is a paid gig ??
It's a first world problem your complaining about. Except the consequence and move on.
How about i give you some context, This day there had already been an earlier reported sighting of a shark up the coast (at mettams pool), I was surfing south trigg beach that borders on scarborough (anyone local to the area will know there is a fair distance between these spots). You say that by seeing the helicopter up the coast i have no idea.. channel 7 are regularly on the scene quicksmart of any opportunity for some shark footage for the 6pm news, so yeah when i saw them down the coast i took it as a pretty good indication. The beach inspector even said the sighting was up the coast but still fined me. If he had said i was in real danger/had actually sighted a shark himself then yeah no worries im out of the water. With the distance between where i was surfing and the shark sighting he may as well have warned me that there are sharks in the ocean 
(Earlier in the year scarborough was closed due to a shark sighting 6KM OFFSHORE) Also you say that im setting a bad example? Ive been surfing around this area for 15+years with plenty of shark alarms throughout this in which every occasion it is disregarded by at least a few water users and i never saw them hassled and fined, maybe you could go tell them they should have set a better example for me.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
So this was a 'beach inspector'.. Aka life savings organisation or a ranger ?
So even the guy with the budgy smugglers and weird hat, in a non for profit organisation can issue a fine. (They do an important job of course, dont get me wrong).
do they even come under council jurisidI ction?
we have this beach boat ramp down here, that is rarely used at the best of times, and most definetly NEVER in winter or when it's blowing anymore than 15 knots. But apparently it's for boats only. So imagine not a soul around, nobody...a few cars parked on the side of a road leading to the boat ramp (so cars not even on the beach boat ramp), ranger comes down starting to give fines.
I said said where's your bloody common sense man and he said 'they are the rules'... He didn't fine us in the end, but it just goes to show you we legislate and make rules for the 1 percent of fck knuckles That MIGHT do the wrong thing.
...anyhow back to your issue. Given the heightened state of alert, the political nature of this issue (in that they have to be seen doing something for all the left wing hippy, its not my fault fck sticks, mummy used to breast feed me on cracked nipples, zombie parasitic - what about poor old me, I can't be held responsible for my own actions cause I got daddy issues..now give me some hard earned tax dollars for contributing sweet fck all, )... I would just pay it.
you are up **** creek without a paddle in this current environment. The burden as always, is falling more and more on the middle class paying people who are working hard and doing the right thing. I see it in schools now, 90 percent of resources are wasted on the 5 percent of box folders that will be lucky to pay a decent tax dollar in their life. While the normal hard working next generation of tax paying kids are left to their own devices...
pay it, move on. Systems fcked, you know it and I know it.
Unless of course you are from a minority class, sexuality, race, disability ..something or other you could probably get off it.
Yeah a local council employed 'beach inspector' pretty much a ranger. System really is fkd, the appeal section of the fine states 'already proven guilty unless i have evidence in contrary'. Haha and yeah through researching some of the local council laws i did see some absolutely stupid ones surrounding boat ramps 
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So even the guy with the budgy smugglers and weird hat, in a non for profit organisation can issue a fine. (They do an important job of course, dont get me wrong).
I was at city Beach last season
Two little kids, no older than 8
One on a foamy
One on a beat up ol glass board
Were playing together in the 1 foot wind swell between the flags
There was no one else anywhere near them
There wasn't even anyone else in the flagged area
Captain Muppet comes down to the water
And barks at the kid with the glass board
Ordering him out of the flags
I interjected
Explaining that it was probably safer for the kid to play between the flags
When captain Muppet beat his chest and proclaimed he was actually patrol captain Muppet and this was his beach and the kid was a danger to others.
Surflifesaving can go suck a fat one
Hahaha have heard many stories similar to yours about city beach, funny thing is only a week prior to being fined by this beach inspector, i was on my way in from a surf and went out of my way to retrieve his big clubby knee paddleboard (those big things with no legrope) that washed up on the beach after he had lost it in the surf. Nice of him to repay me a week later with a $250 fine :)
If you ever retrieve his 'board' again, charge him a holding fee. Or if it were to accidentally hit you...
Select to expand quotemitchupc said..jbshack said..
The issue is you see the helicopter but really have no idea if there is one shark or more sharks close by. Next you by not getting out of the water set an example to others also not obey local law enforcement, imagine some young kids see you turn up your nose and do the same thing? What if one is attacked? Should then bare some responsibility for their attack. Finally I'm not sure that volunteer surf life saving is a paid gig ??
It's a first world problem your complaining about. Except the consequence and move on.
How about i give you some context, This day there had already been an earlier reported sighting of a shark up the coast (at mettams pool), I was surfing south trigg beach that borders on scarborough (anyone local to the area will know there is a fair distance between these spots). You say that by seeing the helicopter up the coast i have no idea.. channel 7 are regularly on the scene quicksmart of any opportunity for some shark footage for the 6pm news, so yeah when i saw them down the coast i took it as a pretty good indication. The beach inspector even said the sighting was up the coast but still fined me. If he had said i was in real danger/had actually sighted a shark himself then yeah no worries im out of the water. With the distance between where i was surfing and the shark sighting he may as well have warned me that there are sharks in the ocean (Earlier in the year scarborough was closed due to a shark sighting 6KM OFFSHORE) Also you say that im setting a bad example? Ive been surfing around this area for 15+years with plenty of shark alarms throughout this in which every occasion it is disregarded by at least a few water users and i never saw them hassled and fined, maybe you could go tell them they should have set a better example for me.
SO who is really to blame, as a adult you are deemed responsible for your actions and you chose not to obey direct instruction of someone in clear authority who was trying to prevent you from being attacked by a shark. What a prick hey, he must feel so good about that..
Also just because the chopper is hovering somewhere else, doesn't mean there are not more sharks. The first response for beach inspectors must be for absolute safety of water users, even if they are too stupid to understand the risk they could be putting themselves in by not getting out 
I don't believe you should be fined Its a personal choice It mabe a 2.5 metre bronzy which is not a threat ? The key here is reading the policy and finding out if mr beach bighead wanker is authorized to fine you or should he of called police? Its a grey area?
http://www.stirling.wa.gov.au/Council/Policies-and-local-laws/Policy%20and%20Local%20Laws/Local%20Government%20Property%20Local%20Law%202009.pdf
5.3 states 5.3 Powers of authorised persons or surf life saving club members
(1) An authorised person employed by the City may perform all or any of the following functions in relation to a beach -
(e) direct persons to leave the water adjacent to a beach during dangerous conditions or if a shark is suspected of being in the vicinity of a beach
Dunno about who can fine someone I just swing a hammer for work but of you you pencil pushers brains trust could probably find out if its legal for the city of sterling to issue the fine?
Im pretty sure if you shoes not to leave the beach a lifesaver would call the police If that's the case so should the beach inspector. Even fisheries don't carry handcuffs.
Here is another story about a surfer who chose to ignore the law and still enter the surf. Instead though he lost a hand and two feet to a shark. . I bet he'd happily swap you for a $250 fine 
stabmag.com/news/a-shark-breaks-through-the-nets-in-reunion-and-attacks-a-21-year-old-surfer/
How often would there NOT be a shark within 2km radius when you are surfing? I'm guessing only about 50% of the time?
I have no idea, what do the fishermen reckon?
You could probably say the sharks were always there just didn't have the internet and tec to share the sighting Mabe its just the shark sightings that have increased.
In my opinion
a lot of the sighting are relatively insignificant for example a 2.5 metre shark unknow species Its a sighting To me that's not a risk? Its the 4m +you don't see that's the risk.
Next thing you know they will be giving out fines for not wearing seat belts in your car, and helmets on motorcycles.
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You could probably say the sharks were always there just didn't have the internet and tec to share the sighting Mabe its just the shark sightings that have increased.
In my opinion
a lot of the sighting are relatively insignificant for example a 2.5 metre shark unknow species Its a sighting To me that's not a risk? Its the 4m +you don't see that's the risk.
But when they sound the alarm, they don't use different alarms for a 4mtr Great White or a 2mtr bronzy, so how are supposed to know 
What if someone rang in a alarm to SLSWA reporting a 4 mtr, should they not clear the beach, until they have a positive measurement
Its not really that hard to obey beach warnings is it
Select to expand quotejbshack said..busterwa said..
You could probably say the sharks were always there just didn't have the internet and tec to share the sighting Mabe its just the shark sightings that have increased.
In my opinion
a lot of the sighting are relatively insignificant for example a 2.5 metre shark unknow species Its a sighting To me that's not a risk? Its the 4m +you don't see that's the risk.
But when they sound the alarm, they don't use different alarms for a 4mtr Great White or a 2mtr bronzy, so how are supposed to know
What if someone rang in a alarm to SLSWA reporting a 4 mtr, should they not clear the beach, until they have a positive measurement
Its not really that hard to obey beach warnings is it
I was just questioning some of there reports. A lot of the reports there are public species unidentified. Most of the sharks reported sighting are under 3 metres? I understand the warnings but a 2-3.5 metres shark in an area would be a low risk even if it was a white or a tiger. To many bull**** spotting's of the uneducated public.
