Select to expand quotejbshack said...novetti said..
Same reason it is ridiculous to fine push bike cyclists with a fine for no helmet.
Seriously it is just me or are many around that find this one the paramount of ridiculous fines. If it is my choice to ride like Knievel my pushbike and fall from me let me deal with the consequences.
Now I am paying 100AUD more per year for rego to cover the occasional no at fault accident victim, but more likely to cover more of the morons spinning their rubber without traction around, running away from the police when in pursuit etc.
Some people say push bike helmet laws are silly/stupid even. Maybe talk to a Trauma nurse and ask them about head injuries, especially dealing with children. Just because you feel a particular law is stupid doesn't mean you should be able to ignore it..
I don't like the helmet law either, but i have to wear one, or if not deal with the fine.
For some people a law seems stupid, but to others it seems sensible. For instance I know Muslim people who say its stupid for a women to have to remove her burqa for a police officer, or inside a bank. I also know others who say it should be against the law to wear a burqa in public, so who is right and who is wrong.. 
Which side of the head and face covering issue are you on?
By your shark alarm logic, you should be FOR them to be removed altogether.
Should I spell it out for you?
You say mitch didn't really know where the shark was, even though the chopper was most likely following it, so should have gotten out of the water when told, CAUSE THERE COULD BE ANOTHER SHARK CLOSER TO HIM AND HAD A CHOMP.
Sharks are around all the time, most of them leave us alone, it's possibly only the risk from a few sharks that may chomp us.
So follow the 'law' and get out of the water.
So...
You should be in support of removing face coverings cause even though they are all around us all the time, there is a risk of a few taking advantage of the annonymity to rob a bank, for example.
What do you say Mr Ben Dover?
Got the balls to say which view you hold?
Face coverings, on of off?
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..jbshack said...novetti said..
Same reason it is ridiculous to fine push bike cyclists with a fine for no helmet.
Seriously it is just me or are many around that find this one the paramount of ridiculous fines. If it is my choice to ride like Knievel my pushbike and fall from me let me deal with the consequences.
Now I am paying 100AUD more per year for rego to cover the occasional no at fault accident victim, but more likely to cover more of the morons spinning their rubber without traction around, running away from the police when in pursuit etc.
Some people say push bike helmet laws are silly/stupid even. Maybe talk to a Trauma nurse and ask them about head injuries, especially dealing with children. Just because you feel a particular law is stupid doesn't mean you should be able to ignore it..
I don't like the helmet law either, but i have to wear one, or if not deal with the fine.
For some people a law seems stupid, but to others it seems sensible. For instance I know Muslim people who say its stupid for a women to have to remove her burqa for a police officer, or inside a bank. I also know others who say it should be against the law to wear a burqa in public, so who is right and who is wrong..
Which side of the head and face covering issue are you on?
By your shark alarm logic, you should be FOR them to be removed altogether.
Should I spell it out for you?
You say mitch didn't really know where the shark was, even though the chopper was most likely following it, so should have gotten out of the water when told, CAUSE THERE COULD BE ANOTHER SHARK CLOSER TO HIM AND HAD A CHOMP.
Sharks are around all the time, most of them leave us alone, it's possibly only the risk from a few sharks that may chomp us.
So follow the 'law' and get out of the water.
So...
You should be in support of removing face coverings cause even though they are all around us all the time, there is a risk of a few taking advantage of the annonymity to rob a bank, for example.
What do you say Mr Ben Dover?
Got the balls to say which view you hold?
Face coverings, on of off?
Faaark you are a pelican 
Kite boy one day you'll understand what is called consequences of your actions. Break the law then expect a fine. Its that simple. Is the law right or wrong, not the issue, but don't stomp and cry saying you got fined and its not fair.. Go further and mouth of to the official threatening you with a fine, then expect it to be hand delivered 
You say don't take it up the arse and obey the law, well i guess that explains your attitude to life and authority.. Good for you.. 
Select to expand quotejbshack said...
Kite boy one day you'll understand what is called consequences of your actions. Break the law then expect a fine. Its that simple. Is the law right or wrong, not the issue, but don't stomp and cry saying you got fined and its not fair.. Go further and mouth of to the official threatening you with a fine, then expect it to be hand delivered
You say don't take it up the arse and obey the law, well i guess that explains your attitude to life and authority.. Good for you..
Hopefully one day you'll be able to read and comprehend at a grade 5 level.
That way you may have some hope of understanding what people are saying to you, even when it's clearly spelled out.
Your comment is utterly and completely way, way off the mark.
I am not saying that at all, not in the slightest.
You are a class A idiot.
No, really. I'm not trying to insult you, merely just making an observation.
You are the most stupid person to ever post here. Well maybe not the most, but at least equal to some others.
My point is not about not obeying the law, very far from it in fact.
But unfortunately you are just too imbecilic to realise that.
I feel truely sorry for the children you are raising.
It's too bad you aren't raising them to be able to think critically for themselves.
More robots from the assembly line. 
Waiting for IanR to come in with his diatribe about which laws people choose to break
Maybe his vitriol is only reserved for gun owners.
Then again Kiterboy seems pretty good on the attack.
One day can we debate without the personal attacks? 
I didn't read all this but have had similar happen except...... There were no beach closed signs up. Jet ski (clubby) had asked a windsurfer to exit water and he remained out. They called police. I was kiting with another friend and police came on beach, siren and lights and ordered me in. I ended up agreeing. Legal advice later off friend was I was legally correct but disobeying a police directive is an offence so catch 22. We have shark alarms virtually daily here. Many stay out in water. If you arrived 30 minutes later, you wouldn't know water had been cleared anyway. I think you'll find you are out of their jurisdiction in water unless WA has some special by law.
Actually waiting for helmets to become mandatory at the snow. It's gonna happen eventually.
If you have been watching it long enough, and at 61 I have, you will realise that the objective is to mould the populace into a subjugated entity which is pliable and most importantly Obedient.
It is very very important that you do as you are told when you are told by someone in uniform. Then, when people start getting a bit uppity (which is inevitable), they simply increase the number of uniforms.
If the powers that be really did have your welfare close to their hearts fining you because you ignored a martinet with authority on the beach would be their last concern. If they really did have your welfare close to their hearts they would be working full time looking for solutions to homelessness, depression, child abuse and the myriad of social issues that have beset society.
Oh, and it is always easy to find people to put into uniforms.
They are those people who feel important when they are in one and feel inadequate when they are not.
Any guesses as to who on this forum would be putting up their hands to wear a uniform when called on to do so?
Really!?????
The government's trying to take control via shark alarms. Dont you think the shark alarms is a response to all the WA people, kiteboy, mark, etc that after some attacks were screaming for a cull
Kill all the sharks was the response
Well nobody's gunna kill all the sharks, but what they might do is put in alarms and make you comply to try and help with the fear and hysteria that was born from the majority of WA people
I think WA deserves it
Have a few attacks, and the response from the so called experienced watermen is to kill every shark, well, that style of fear needs a rational response, so to help with the hysteria, the government has now implemented some control via shark alarms
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Oh, and it is always easy to find people to put into uniforms.
They are those people who feel important when they are in one and feel inadequate when they are not.
Any guesses as to who on this forum would be putting up their hands to wear a uniform when called on to do so?
Galah on a bay
Green pat
Laurie runs this site like his a king and answers to no one
Rupert and SN, they cant go one post without trying to elevate themselves via mentioning they were in the military, even though there not in it now, they felt their mightest when wearing a uniform, oh how the mighty have fallen, they've gone from doing nothing in the military, just cashing in on what Anzacz did 60 yrs earlier, to creating seabreeze segways
Hi, i was wondering what new sail to buy for light winds
I was in the army will be ruperts reply and i love my gun will be SN reply
Both those two would love to lead an army of moderators to answer the call of the shark alarm
Select to expand quotebrody1 said...
... Kill all the sharks was the response
Have a few attacks, and the response from the so called experienced watermen is to kill every shark...
0/10 for that one mr troll; or is your comprehension at a sub year 5 level too?
Noone said that.
Get your hand off it.
The law is increasingly used to control us rather than being what it should be, a set of rules to protect our rights and property from tyranny.
About two years ago maybe longer we were surfing down at Secret Harbour wasn't the best a bit side shore and lumpy but waves were ok.
Mate swore he saw a fin I didn't, 10mins later the SLS in the rib came up to us to warn us of a sighting and we should think about going in.
Heaps of people didn't, we did.
I'm not willing to risk getting injured or killed. No bravado here.
At the end of the day it's your choice if you want to get fined or not, no matter what the law is.
Where are the thousands of disabled individuals who felt from a bicycle when helmets weren't mandatory? Maybe in Europe and Asia there are Millions of them as they are way denser populated than Australia? Please clarify if you have access to some data we old farts don't.
Of course if you go to the hospital and talk to the nurse you will hear their opinion, and that is her opinion only.
So nurses and doctors are the lawmakers now? What if they ban the Meat pie, the sausage we will all live 200 years?
Same deal we have with car vehicles. Currently there are cars in the market with 12 airbags, traction control, bla bla bla and guess what? Are they 100% efficient in saving a life if the driver is a complete nut? I would be safer in my pre 70's no seatbelts vehicle driving it prudently and obviously knowing the consequences if I behave like a clown, than some kid who just got his license and thinks all this technology will get him out of trouble if he decides to plunge into someones bedroom wall (common occurrence in Perth).
In fact probably more people die or get injured from the house vs. bogan vehicle here in Perth per year than falling from a pushbike w/o helmet.
If you are a sheep and a proud one, good for you.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said...brody1 said...
... Kill all the sharks was the response
Have a few attacks, and the response from the so called experienced watermen is to kill every shark...
0/10 for that one mr troll; or is your comprehension at a sub year 5 level too?
Noone said that.
Get your hand off it.
Yeah, you guys were screaming that we should kill all the sharks. Well, thats not gunna happen, so out of your fear and hysteria has come greater regulation, enjoy that
I remember reading such comments as, we should be able to take our kids to the beach and not have to worry about sharks, well now you don't have to worry, becauae eventually u wont be legally able to access the ocean, now, unlike your assertions that this was the leftists fault, its not, it was the tough right that screamed for action and now you got it, and us on the left are laughing
Select to expand quotebrody1 said...kiterboy said...brody1 said...
... Kill all the sharks was the response
Have a few attacks, and the response from the so called experienced watermen is to kill every shark...
0/10 for that one mr troll; or is your comprehension at a sub year 5 level too?
Noone said that.
Get your hand off it.
Yeah, you guys were screaming that we should kill all the sharks. Well, thats not gunna happen, so out of your fear and hysteria has come greater regulation, enjoy that
I remember reading such comments as, we should be able to take our kids to the beach and not have to worry about sharks, well now you don't have to worry, becauae eventually u wont be legally able to access the ocean, now, unlike your assertions that this was the leftists fault, its not, it was the tough right that screamed for action and now you got it, and us on the left are laughing
So show me evidence that I was calling for all sharks to be culled.
C'mon, mr troll.
Citation required, otherwise you're just speaking out of your arse.
Are you better with big words than captain bendover?
Select to expand quoteDARTH said...
About two years ago maybe longer we were surfing down at Secret Harbour wasn't the best a bit side shore and lumpy but waves were ok.
Mate swore he saw a fin I didn't, 10mins later the SLS in the rib came up to us to warn us of a sighting and we should think about going in.
Heaps of people didn't, we did.
I'm not willing to risk getting injured or killed. No bravado here.
At the end of the day it's your choice if you want to get fined or not, no matter what the law is.
Ah, so you're saying that we can choose to be fined or not, regardless of the law?
Next time you go swimming at the beach and are not keeping between the flags, you can ask to be fined, corporal bendover.
That should satisfy your craving for daddy approval.
It's not our choice to be fined. It's the choice of the people you seek some sort of daddy-issue approval from, that chose to hand out fines.
So why should we not be fined for not swimming between the flags?
Swimming between the flags is the safest place to be in the water at the beach.
You feel you can assess the risk to yourself and not swim between the flags???
BS! You're not entitled to make that decision for yourself.
Think of all the rescue service people you're putting at risk, as they now have to come and rescue you, and the medical teams you'll be traumatizing because you drowned and couldn't be revived.
So many of you guys can't logic yourselves out of a wet paper bag.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..DARTH said...
About two years ago maybe longer we were surfing down at Secret Harbour wasn't the best a bit side shore and lumpy but waves were ok.
Mate swore he saw a fin I didn't, 10mins later the SLS in the rib came up to us to warn us of a sighting and we should think about going in.
Heaps of people didn't, we did.
I'm not willing to risk getting injured or killed. No bravado here.
At the end of the day it's your choice if you want to get fined or not, no matter what the law is.
Ah, so you're saying that we can choose to be fined or not, regardless of the law?
Far out you have the comprehension of a 2yo haha
No, thats not what I'm saying fool. It's your choice to stay out or come in. Stay out, get fined. Come in, you don't.
See how that works you idiot
Select to expand quotejbshack said..
Kite boy one day you'll understand what is called consequences of your actions. Break the law then expect a fine. Its that simple. Is the law right or wrong, not the issue, but don't stomp and cry saying you got fined and its not fair.. Go further and mouth of to the official threatening you with a fine, then expect it to be hand delivered
You say don't take it up the arse and obey the law, well i guess that explains your attitude to life and authority.. Good for you..
Idiots will be idiots, you can't control or stop that
Select to expand quoteDARTH said...kiterboy said..DARTH said...
About two years ago maybe longer we were surfing down at Secret Harbour wasn't the best a bit side shore and lumpy but waves were ok.
Mate swore he saw a fin I didn't, 10mins later the SLS in the rib came up to us to warn us of a sighting and we should think about going in.
Heaps of people didn't, we did.
I'm not willing to risk getting injured or killed. No bravado here.
At the end of the day it's your choice if you want to get fined or not, no matter what the law is.
Ah, so you're saying that we can choose to be fined or not, regardless of the law?
Far out you have the comprehension of a 2yo haha
No, thats not what I'm saying fool. It's your choice to stay out or come in. Stay out, get fined. Come in, you don't.
See how that works you idiot
Hate to break it to ya, but that is EXACTLY what you said.
Your emoticon only responses add more to the conversation than when you try to sound clever.
There's not a chance of them getting $250 out of me. Have an alarm, no problem. End of story. What happens next is up to the individual. Nobody has the right to tell us where and when we can surf. If anybody tried to fine me we'd be talking about it in court.
The rules in Australia are beyond a joke. The problem is that only boring twats bother to be involved in making the rules. Most people that actually want to enjoy life won't waste their own time getting involved. Except they can't enjoy life because the man says you can't. You'd need a permit for that and then only allowed between 7 am and 7pm every third Sunday.
How many fun things from your youth are now banned? Lots I'm guessing. Poor kids of today.
Select to expand quoteDARTH said...jbshack said..
Kite boy one day you'll understand what is called consequences of your actions. Break the law then expect a fine. Its that simple. Is the law right or wrong, not the issue, but don't stomp and cry saying you got fined and its not fair.. Go further and mouth of to the official threatening you with a fine, then expect it to be hand delivered
You say don't take it up the arse and obey the law, well i guess that explains your attitude to life and authority.. Good for you..
Idiots will be idiots, you can't control or stop that
Well it's good to see you have come to terms with your intellectual inabilities.
Select to expand quoteMobydisc said...
The law is increasingly used to control us rather than being what it should be, a set of rules to protect our rights and property from tyranny.
This the crux of the matter.
It's too bad that the captain and corporal bendovers of society are too blind to realise this.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said...Mobydisc said...
The law is increasingly used to control us rather than being what it should be, a set of rules to protect our rights and property from tyranny.
This the crux of the matter.
It's too bad that the captain and corporal bendovers of society are too blind to realise this.
Social consensus. Society chooses what we believe is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour and produces laws accordingly. If an individual doesn't like them, vote for someone else. If you don't like what the majority come up with, then move to a more agreeable place. Marginal opinions - like yours (as most people follow the law) - are at least tolerated here.
Select to expand quotemclovin said..
There's not a chance of them getting $250 out of me. Have an alarm, no problem. End of story. What happens next is up to the individual. Nobody has the right to tell us where and when we can surf. If anybody tried to fine me we'd be talking about it in court.
The rules in Australia are beyond a joke. The problem is that only boring twats bother to be involved in making the rules. Most people that actually want to enjoy life won't waste their own time getting involved. Except they can't enjoy life because the man says you can't. You'd need a permit for that and then only allowed between 7 am and 7pm every third Sunday.
How many fun things from your youth are now banned? Lots I'm guessing. Poor kids of today.
Have a green thumb man, I like your attitude. Problem is they play one side off against another and the media generally backs the " you've got to have rules' whingers so they win out.
What a crock of sh1t anyway. How many lives do they seriously think they are going to save by having some trumped up martinet making a twat of himself by issuing tickets?
Select to expand quotethedrip said...kiterboy said...Mobydisc said...
The law is increasingly used to control us rather than being what it should be, a set of rules to protect our rights and property from tyranny.
This the crux of the matter.
It's too bad that the captain and corporal bendovers of society are too blind to realise this.
Social consensus. Society chooses what we believe is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour and produces laws accordingly. If an individual doesn't like them, vote for someone else. If you don't like what the majority come up with, then move to a more agreeable place. Marginal opinions - like yours (as most people follow the law) - are at least tolerated here.
Ha. Turn it up?
When were we as a society consulted as to this decision to fine people for not getting out of the water?
Got a date of a publicly released statement of request for input from all of us who form the society we live in?
No?
These 'laws' are brought in by a few and the majority like you bend over and accept them.
You are a fool to even suggest that we all, as a society, decided to bring in a 'law' to fine people for not getting out of the water.
Perhaps you and the bendover brigade would be better moving to a different society where every aspect of your life was controlled, so you wouldn't have to think for yourself, as a responsible adult should.
How nice it must be to be so naive.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..thedrip said...kiterboy said...Mobydisc said...
The law is increasingly used to control us rather than being what it should be, a set of rules to protect our rights and property from tyranny.
This the crux of the matter.
It's too bad that the captain and corporal bendovers of society are too blind to realise this.
Social consensus. Society chooses what we believe is acceptable and unacceptable behaviour and produces laws accordingly. If an individual doesn't like them, vote for someone else. If you don't like what the majority come up with, then move to a more agreeable place. Marginal opinions - like yours (as most people follow the law) - are at least tolerated here.
Ha. Turn it up?
When were we as a society consulted as to this decision to fine people for not getting out of the water?
Got a date of a publicly released statement of request for input from all of us who form the society we live in?
No?
These 'laws' are brought in by a few and the majority like you bend over and accept them.
You are a fool to even suggest that we all, as a society, decided to bring in a 'law' to fine people for not getting out of the water.
Perhaps you and the bendover brigade would be better moving to a different society where every aspect of your life was controlled, so you wouldn't have to think for yourself, as a responsible adult should.
How nice it must be to be so naive.
The problem is you have no idea what your talking about. He didn't get fined for not getting out of the water, he got fined for not obeying a direct order from someone in authority. This time it was a beach inspector..
Also as you obviously missed in your tyrant, he more than likely only got the ticket after giving the inspector a mouth full, what makes him or you think that is acceptable
When the police pull you over for speeding, do you give them a mouth full like you like to online, or do you only act all tough from behind your keyboard
Stupid laws are created sadly because stupid people don't use commonsense..Like theirs a shark alarm and they are clearing the beach, get out of the water 
