I liked the original duotone version one bag, and had a sailmaker whip up a few for my wings.
Select to expand quotemartyj4 said..
Dspace that video is brilliant and your riding is pretty much the same. I think your opinion is very valuable given your skill.
I've got the 5m Echo and love it. Had 1 go of my new 5.5 Slick and it's quite different to the 5m Echo. I am used to the Echo (even though I've only been using it for 3 months). Love the boom. Tried a handled wing (Naish) and found that it flopped around all over the place where the boom you could twist it to get much better control. Obviously I'm probably not as good as others with the handles.
Booms - The Echo feels really 'connected' to the rest of the wing. The Slick is similar, but not quite as 'locked in'. You can twist the boom on either and the rig reacts well.
Canopy - The Echo canopy feels a bit loose. It seems to flap around a bit. The Slicks canopy feels really tight and the power felt like it transferred very well. I think that middle strut really allows the designers to tighten up that loose leach. The Slick's wing is effectively divided in 2 with the middle strut - each connected to the middle strut giving them a tight feel. The Echo doesn't have a connection down the centreline of the wing which means the whole thing flaps when you pump it.
Slick bigger size I thought would drag much more (as I'm a shortie - 175cm), but wingtips rarely touched.
It's only 1 go. In 8-15 knots. And I'm nowhere near as experienced as many others on these forums. But I'm not looking back. Slick is the wing I'll move to.
I would say the bags for the Echo are a little tight to get the wing folded up and back in. The Slick is bigger and has a bigger bag, but it's way worse. I'm looking to get a customised bigger bag to pack it in. I'm flumoxed as to why they make bags that are such a nightmare! Jeez, it might cost them $5 in materials and $5 in labour. And I'd pay the $10 extra to have it right.
I have the 6.5m Slick and is fits in the base with space to spare.
I roll up in the same manner as my Clouds then in half not folding/creasing windows. Its quick to push out air and pack.
But nothing beats the Clouds for packing up oh and light weight easy efficient windwing.
Just wanted to add a note of thanks to Pacey in this thread, who sent details of his custom Carbon boom for the Slick based on a cut-down SUP Paddle, in a thread on the Echo. The photos are on Page 4 here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/New-Duotone-Echo-Wing?page=4
Home-made, but ever so slick... 
Cheers
k.
Select to expand quotejksmurf said..
Just wanted to add a note of thanks to Pacey in this thread, who sent details of his custom Carbon boom for the Slick based on a cut-down SUP Paddle, in a thread on the Echo. The photos are on Page 4 here:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/New-Duotone-Echo-Wing?page=4
Home-made, but ever so slick...
Cheers
k.
His boom looks good... Hum, that sounds a little off, as I read that back.
Anyway I can't find heat shrink that size anywhere. The yellow stuff he used is nice, anybody have a link to that size HS?
Select to expand quoteFishdude said..
Anyway I can't find heat shrink that size anywhere. The yellow stuff he used is nice, anybody have a link to that size HS?
I bought this one www.ebay.com.au/itm/373448570922
I bought the 35mm size for 31mm carbon tube, but it took a fair bit of heating to get it to shrink tight. Not sure whether it might have been possible to roll the 30mm heatshrink on instead.
Select to expand quotewarwickl said..martyj4 said..
Dspace that video is brilliant and your riding is pretty much the same. I think your opinion is very valuable given your skill.
I've got the 5m Echo and love it. Had 1 go of my new 5.5 Slick and it's quite different to the 5m Echo. I am used to the Echo (even though I've only been using it for 3 months). Love the boom. Tried a handled wing (Naish) and found that it flopped around all over the place where the boom you could twist it to get much better control. Obviously I'm probably not as good as others with the handles.
Booms - The Echo feels really 'connected' to the rest of the wing. The Slick is similar, but not quite as 'locked in'. You can twist the boom on either and the rig reacts well.
Canopy - The Echo canopy feels a bit loose. It seems to flap around a bit. The Slicks canopy feels really tight and the power felt like it transferred very well. I think that middle strut really allows the designers to tighten up that loose leach. The Slick's wing is effectively divided in 2 with the middle strut - each connected to the middle strut giving them a tight feel. The Echo doesn't have a connection down the centreline of the wing which means the whole thing flaps when you pump it.
Slick bigger size I thought would drag much more (as I'm a shortie - 175cm), but wingtips rarely touched.
It's only 1 go. In 8-15 knots. And I'm nowhere near as experienced as many others on these forums. But I'm not looking back. Slick is the wing I'll move to.
I would say the bags for the Echo are a little tight to get the wing folded up and back in. The Slick is bigger and has a bigger bag, but it's way worse. I'm looking to get a customised bigger bag to pack it in. I'm flumoxed as to why they make bags that are such a nightmare! Jeez, it might cost them $5 in materials and $5 in labour. And I'd pay the $10 extra to have it right.
I have the 6.5m Slick and is fits in the base with space to spare.
I roll up in the same manner as my Clouds then in half not folding/creasing windows. Its quick to push out air and pack.
But nothing beats the Clouds for packing up oh and light weight easy efficient windwing.
Hey Warick I see you have your cloud wing 6 for sale.?Your saying nothing beats them Clouds.
Slicks must be hard to beat.
Select to expand quoteLeighbreeze said..warwickl said..martyj4 said..
Dspace that video is brilliant and your riding is pretty much the same. I think your opinion is very valuable given your skill.
I've got the 5m Echo and love it. Had 1 go of my new 5.5 Slick and it's quite different to the 5m Echo. I am used to the Echo (even though I've only been using it for 3 months). Love the boom. Tried a handled wing (Naish) and found that it flopped around all over the place where the boom you could twist it to get much better control. Obviously I'm probably not as good as others with the handles.
Booms - The Echo feels really 'connected' to the rest of the wing. The Slick is similar, but not quite as 'locked in'. You can twist the boom on either and the rig reacts well.
Canopy - The Echo canopy feels a bit loose. It seems to flap around a bit. The Slicks canopy feels really tight and the power felt like it transferred very well. I think that middle strut really allows the designers to tighten up that loose leach. The Slick's wing is effectively divided in 2 with the middle strut - each connected to the middle strut giving them a tight feel. The Echo doesn't have a connection down the centreline of the wing which means the whole thing flaps when you pump it.
Slick bigger size I thought would drag much more (as I'm a shortie - 175cm), but wingtips rarely touched.
It's only 1 go. In 8-15 knots. And I'm nowhere near as experienced as many others on these forums. But I'm not looking back. Slick is the wing I'll move to.
I would say the bags for the Echo are a little tight to get the wing folded up and back in. The Slick is bigger and has a bigger bag, but it's way worse. I'm looking to get a customised bigger bag to pack it in. I'm flumoxed as to why they make bags that are such a nightmare! Jeez, it might cost them $5 in materials and $5 in labour. And I'd pay the $10 extra to have it right.
I have the 6.5m Slick and is fits in the base with space to spare.
I roll up in the same manner as my Clouds then in half not folding/creasing windows. Its quick to push out air and pack.
But nothing beats the Clouds for packing up oh and light weight easy efficient windwing.
Hey Warick I see you have your cloud wing 6 for sale.?Your saying nothing beats them Clouds.
Slicks must be hard to beat.
Been expecting this.
The 6m Cloud is for a taller person than me (5' 7") due to strut length then it would be perfect for say 5' 10" plus.
It is conserably lighter than Slick and possibly more power range. I went to a bigger Slick.
Cloud 6m folds up in a bag the size of a small sleeping bag so excellent for travelling etc.
I still sincerely believe Clouds are at the top level of performance, just watch the Videos.
I have 3, 4 and 5m Clouds windwings.
Select to expand quotewarwickl said..Leighbreeze said..warwickl said..martyj4 said..
Dspace that video is brilliant and your riding is pretty much the same. I think your opinion is very valuable given your skill.
I've got the 5m Echo and love it. Had 1 go of my new 5.5 Slick and it's quite different to the 5m Echo. I am used to the Echo (even though I've only been using it for 3 months). Love the boom. Tried a handled wing (Naish) and found that it flopped around all over the place where the boom you could twist it to get much better control. Obviously I'm probably not as good as others with the handles.
Booms - The Echo feels really 'connected' to the rest of the wing. The Slick is similar, but not quite as 'locked in'. You can twist the boom on either and the rig reacts well.
Canopy - The Echo canopy feels a bit loose. It seems to flap around a bit. The Slicks canopy feels really tight and the power felt like it transferred very well. I think that middle strut really allows the designers to tighten up that loose leach. The Slick's wing is effectively divided in 2 with the middle strut - each connected to the middle strut giving them a tight feel. The Echo doesn't have a connection down the centreline of the wing which means the whole thing flaps when you pump it.
Slick bigger size I thought would drag much more (as I'm a shortie - 175cm), but wingtips rarely touched.
It's only 1 go. In 8-15 knots. And I'm nowhere near as experienced as many others on these forums. But I'm not looking back. Slick is the wing I'll move to.
I would say the bags for the Echo are a little tight to get the wing folded up and back in. The Slick is bigger and has a bigger bag, but it's way worse. I'm looking to get a customised bigger bag to pack it in. I'm flumoxed as to why they make bags that are such a nightmare! Jeez, it might cost them $5 in materials and $5 in labour. And I'd pay the $10 extra to have it right.
I have the 6.5m Slick and is fits in the base with space to spare.
I roll up in the same manner as my Clouds then in half not folding/creasing windows. Its quick to push out air and pack.
But nothing beats the Clouds for packing up oh and light weight easy efficient windwing.
Hey Warick I see you have your cloud wing 6 for sale.?Your saying nothing beats them Clouds.
Slicks must be hard to beat.
Been expecting this.
The 6m Cloud is for a taller person than me (5' 7") due to strut length then it would be perfect for say 5' 10" plus.
It is conserably lighter than Slick and possibly more power range. I went to a bigger Slick.
Cloud 6m folds up in a bag the size of a small sleeping bag so excellent for travelling etc.
I still sincerely believe Clouds are at the top level of performance, just watch the Videos.
I have 3, 4 and 5m Clouds windwings.
Hahaha only pulling your leg mate.
I know your a happy Cloud owner.
They are hard to better his wonderful simplicity & usability.
Select to expand quoteLeighbreeze said..warwickl said..Leighbreeze said..warwickl said..martyj4 said..
Dspace that video is brilliant and your riding is pretty much the same. I think your opinion is very valuable given your skill.
I've got the 5m Echo and love it. Had 1 go of my new 5.5 Slick and it's quite different to the 5m Echo. I am used to the Echo (even though I've only been using it for 3 months). Love the boom. Tried a handled wing (Naish) and found that it flopped around all over the place where the boom you could twist it to get much better control. Obviously I'm probably not as good as others with the handles.
Booms - The Echo feels really 'connected' to the rest of the wing. The Slick is similar, but not quite as 'locked in'. You can twist the boom on either and the rig reacts well.
Canopy - The Echo canopy feels a bit loose. It seems to flap around a bit. The Slicks canopy feels really tight and the power felt like it transferred very well. I think that middle strut really allows the designers to tighten up that loose leach. The Slick's wing is effectively divided in 2 with the middle strut - each connected to the middle strut giving them a tight feel. The Echo doesn't have a connection down the centreline of the wing which means the whole thing flaps when you pump it.
Slick bigger size I thought would drag much more (as I'm a shortie - 175cm), but wingtips rarely touched.
It's only 1 go. In 8-15 knots. And I'm nowhere near as experienced as many others on these forums. But I'm not looking back. Slick is the wing I'll move to.
I would say the bags for the Echo are a little tight to get the wing folded up and back in. The Slick is bigger and has a bigger bag, but it's way worse. I'm looking to get a customised bigger bag to pack it in. I'm flumoxed as to why they make bags that are such a nightmare! Jeez, it might cost them $5 in materials and $5 in labour. And I'd pay the $10 extra to have it right.
I have the 6.5m Slick and is fits in the base with space to spare.
I roll up in the same manner as my Clouds then in half not folding/creasing windows. Its quick to push out air and pack.
But nothing beats the Clouds for packing up oh and light weight easy efficient windwing.
Hey Warick I see you have your cloud wing 6 for sale.?Your saying nothing beats them Clouds.
Slicks must be hard to beat.
Been expecting this.
The 6m Cloud is for a taller person than me (5' 7") due to strut length then it would be perfect for say 5' 10" plus.
It is conserably lighter than Slick and possibly more power range. I went to a bigger Slick.
Cloud 6m folds up in a bag the size of a small sleeping bag so excellent for travelling etc.
I still sincerely believe Clouds are at the top level of performance, just watch the Videos.
I have 3, 4 and 5m Clouds windwings.
Hahaha only pulling your leg mate.
I know your a happy Cloud owner.
They are hard to better his wonderful simplicity & usability.
Thanks for the opportunity to point out further benefits.
Here's a video of the Slick in action along with what looks like the the Fanatic 5' 4" and Armstrong HA1125 foil.
Deciding between the 6m or 6.5m for lighter winds...
To those who've seen both.
Is the 6.5m wingspan much bigger than the 6m or is it bigger leading to trailing edge?
Any thoughts on whether to go 6m or 6.5m?
75kg rider in very light winds...
Intermediate skill, HS 1850 & V200, 85CM mast...
So in regards to a home made carbon boom for the Sick, the stock alloy boom is oval, is the carbon boom oval too? This would greatly increase the stiffness of a boom, something a round boom couldn't match.
Select to expand quoteairsail said..
So in regards to a home made carbon boom for the Sick, the stock alloy boom is oval, is the carbon boom oval too? This would greatly increase the stiffness of a boom, something a round boom couldn't match.
The carbon boom is round, but it's a shortened carbon SUP paddle shaft, so it's easily stiff enough and strong enough. I haven't noticed any flex at all when I have been sailing.
Select to expand quotePacey said..airsail said..
So in regards to a home made carbon boom for the Sick, the stock alloy boom is oval, is the carbon boom oval too? This would greatly increase the stiffness of a boom, something a round boom couldn't match.
The carbon boom is round, but it's a shortened carbon SUP paddle shaft, so it's easily stiff enough and strong enough. I haven't noticed any flex at all when I have been sailing.
Confirmed it is 26mm oval, at 330grams, alloy is the same but 585grams. 26mm is quite thin so I guess that is why they use the oval cross section.
Hi guys.
Just a quick question on a pump for the slick.
I am having a little trouble pumping up the smaller slick sizes to the specified PSI, 7.5, 8, 9 etc.
I am using the duotone pump, and the gauge only goes up to 7.
What were you guys doing to get around this. A different pump, or were you able to swap the gauge out?
Select to expand quoteDspace said..
Actually, your the first person who's asked me that. I tack a lot so I'm sensitive to wing roll rate! Based on this one session on the 5m I would say that the Slicks don't roll quite as fast as the Echo's, but it's really only a small observed difference. I need more sessions to refine that opinion. I'm guessing the less dihedral the slower the roll rate rate. Maybe the center strut, or lack thereof,also has something to do with the roll rate. I do remember the Naish S25 I owned was very flat and I hated the slow roll rate. For me it is always the most noticeable on heal-to-toeside tacks. Even with any of the Duotone wings I would always push the wing with my free hand during a heel-to-toeside tack to speed up the roll rate. If you can pull off a nice long upwind glide on foil then roll rate isn't a huge deal, but my upwind arcs tend to be a tighter radius, even with my Veloce foils. On toe-to-heelside tacks I'll even sometimes use my head to push on the wing during the tack to speed up the roll rate.
have two sessions on my Slick 4.0 now. the Slick definitely doesn't roll over as fast as the Unit or Echo 4's I have, but not a big deal as it does eventually roll. Slower, mellower tacks seem to be an easier adjustment for me. Also, with the boom it feels like I can feel the extra weight when the wing has to change directions when flagged out or even jibing. A lighter carbon boom I suspect will lessen this feeling. Power, speed, and stability seem great. I haven't gotten the backwinding problem that I had w/ my Unit 6m (but not the 4m). The windows are freaking great as well.
I think Duotone could have done a better job making the boom connection look prettier. I also would have preferred a stiff/structured LE handle.
Anyone have ideas on how to get water out of the boom...?
End of my session cleaning up & I can hear water in the shaft sloshing back & forth...
Select to expand quotelongboard said..
Anyone have ideas on how to get water out of the boom...?
End of my session cleaning up & I can hear water in the shaft sloshing back & forth...
OK, I'll hazard a guess for the Slick, having custom-made 3 carbon booms for the Echo.
The only real way to do this to ensure it doesn't happen again would be to drill out the rivets and pull out the plugs and redo the plugs. Either put in new plugs (Kids pool-kickboard material is good, I used a thin-walled pipe to push some plugs out) or you could silicone seal the old ones; I prefer the first option.
I also put some light Alu Screws with a fine thread through the curved front-piece of my Echo Booms (after I put good plugs in), so I could take them apart and redo the plugs from time to time (the clew end is glued shut with the end-plug so is watertight). You could do the same with the Slick front end; and try to seal the back end better if you think it leaks. I am not sure whether the Slick front end is letting water in somewhere, never seen one "live".
If you think it's just the rivets letting water in, let the thing dry out, silicone the rivets (both ends of the boom) and hope for the best next time... :-)
k.
Wow. That's a detailed answer & very much appreciated!!
I'll try the silicone option on the rivets to start with ...
(Sorry - yes it's a Slick boom!)
Just to clarify the note above; the thin walled tube was to make new plugs that you push into the boom to stop the water coming in. To get old plugs out of booms (windsurfing booms over many years) I use a corkscrew (removed from the handle of course) solidly taped to a flexible windsurf sail batten. Works a treat, especially on the curved booms .
k.
Select to expand quoteWardo said..
Hi guys.
Just a quick question on a pump for the slick.
I am having a little trouble pumping up the smaller slick sizes to the specified PSI, 7.5, 8, 9 etc.
I am using the duotone pump, and the gauge only goes up to 7.
What were you guys doing to get around this. A different pump, or were you able to swap the gauge out?
Once you hit 6 psi count the number of pumps to get to 7 then from then on use that same number of pumps and it'll be close to 8. I used to do this with my Naish wing/Duotone pump
Select to expand quotejksmurf said..longboard said..
Anyone have ideas on how to get water out of the boom...?
End of my session cleaning up & I can hear water in the shaft sloshing back & forth...
OK, I'll hazard a guess for the Slick, having custom-made 3 carbon booms for the Echo.
The only real way to do this to ensure it doesn't happen again would be to drill out the rivets and pull out the plugs and redo the plugs. Either put in new plugs (Kids pool-kickboard material is good, I used a thin-walled pipe to push some plugs out) or you could silicone seal the old ones; I prefer the first option.
I also put some light Alu Screws with a fine thread through the curved front-piece of my Echo Booms (after I put good plugs in), so I could take them apart and redo the plugs from time to time (the clew end is glued shut with the end-plug so is watertight). You could do the same with the Slick front end; and try to seal the back end better if you think it leaks. I am not sure whether the Slick front end is letting water in somewhere, never seen one "live".
If you think it's just the rivets letting water in, let the thing dry out, silicone the rivets (both ends of the boom) and hope for the best next time... :-)
k.
Tried just sealing the rivets with silicone - no joy unfortunately.
I suspect the leak is between the plastic end caps & boom connection.
Looks like I'll have to do the fix as u recommended.
What's disappointing is that I contacted the store I purchased the wing & boom from and was told "duotone knows about this problem & might have a fix in future ".
No offer to try to help me the customer...
So duotone appears to genuinely not give a toss & expects the customer to spend time & money fixing their f&@k up.
Gee thanks Duotone - way to show support to your customers!
Select to expand quotelongboard said..
Tried just sealing the rivets with silicone - no joy unfortunately.
I suspect the leak is between the plastic end caps & boom connection.
Looks like I'll have to do the fix as u recommended.
What's disappointing is that I contacted the store I purchased the wing & boom from and was told "duotone knows about this problem & might have a fix in future ".
No offer to try to help me the customer...
So duotone appears to genuinely not give a toss & expects the customer to spend time & money fixing their f&@k up.
Gee thanks Duotone - way to show support to your customers!
Sounds like the store is the issue... try contacting Duotone directly and they might kick the store in the pants for giving a lame answer... and help you out too.
Select to expand quotekiwiupover said..longboard said..
Tried just sealing the rivets with silicone - no joy unfortunately.
I suspect the leak is between the plastic end caps & boom connection.
Looks like I'll have to do the fix as u recommended.
What's disappointing is that I contacted the store I purchased the wing & boom from and was told "duotone knows about this problem & might have a fix in future ".
No offer to try to help me the customer...
So duotone appears to genuinely not give a toss & expects the customer to spend time & money fixing their f&@k up.
Gee thanks Duotone - way to show support to your customers!
Sounds like the store is the issue... try contacting Duotone directly and they might kick the store in the pants for giving a lame answer... and help you out too.
Good call.
Just sent them an email - again.
Hopefully they'll fix this...
Will report back.
Apart from this issue it's a great wing - I just hope duotone takes this opportunity to make things right...
Select to expand quoteMdG71 said..
Second session with the carbon boom 
Oh man. Sorry to see that...
It would appear that duotone have some work to do. Not only in rectifying these design flaws but particularly in looking after their customers...
You'd think the boom would be 1 piece carbon not have a cheap plastic end with a crappy rivet. I get using that for the aluminum boom but isn't the carbon suppose to be an upgrade?!?
Select to expand quoteSeattleKook said..
Has anyone had any luck sourcing an oval carbon tube to make their own yet?
I don't think there's any need for "oval" CF boom.
I cut my round paddle handle down to size and after playing with it some, I highly doubt it will flex enough to be of any concern as a boom.
Nice it weights only 220 grams. I'm not even sure I need to plug the end. It would seem if any water got in it that it would poor out as soon as you left it up.
