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new duotone wing stick - any info out there?

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Created by bolgo > 9 months ago, 30 Jan 2021
BjoernHH
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2 Apr 2021 6:37PM
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@Bigtone667
Is the bag for the slick an improvement in comparison to the the echo and unit or still the same?

Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Bj?rn

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
3 Apr 2021 12:56PM
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@Bigtone667
Is the bag for the slick an improvement in comparison to the the echo and unit or still the same?

Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Bj?rn


I do not use the supplied bag. I roll my wings to the centre strut and stuff my gear into tubes similar to original V1 duotones. I leave booms attached.

Pacey
WA, 525 posts
3 Apr 2021 4:56PM
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I picked up a new 5.5 and 6.5 Slick on Thursday, but it sounds like no booms for at least a week.

Got these broken carbon SUP paddle shafts with carbon handles courtesy of Lachy at Yob. Handle fits the pocket on the wing pretty well, will be interested to see if they work as a long term replacement for the stock boom.




BjoernHH
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3 Apr 2021 7:11PM
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BjoernHH said..
@Bigtone667
Is the bag for the slick an improvement in comparison to the the echo and unit or still the same?

Thanks in advance
Kind regards
Bj?rn



I do not use the supplied bag. I roll my wings to the centre strut and stuff my gear into tubes similar to original V1 duotones. I leave booms attached.


Thanks for your reply

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VIC, 617 posts
4 Apr 2021 9:10AM
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Second session on the Slick, great wing. Love the boom having come from using handles. Hard to explain how light this thing feels on the water, so stable. They have definitely improved the top end too.

Jeroensurf
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4 Apr 2021 2:11PM
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I had yesterday a few runs with the Slick 5m and comparing it with the 5m SMIK i have myself.
first thing you notice is that it feels solid. Coming from a windsurf background it felt really like an full cambered race sail without loose leech being by far the stiffest feeling wing I tried so far.
2th thing is the boom. I owned 2 echo,s and i,m not a fan of them but with the Slick the (aloy) boom is way better connected and really feels like an integral part of the wing instead of the floppy connection on the Echo.
3th: the power. Wow just wow! it has a lot of grunt, way more as my Smik 5m and it is fast while still feeling compact and very manageable.
Its hard to guess but the 5m Slick felt like an 0.7/0.8 size up over my Smik 5m.
While the 5m Smik was powered up but perfect, I think I would have been better of with the slick in a 4m size.
I,m Pretty sure that with the Slick you can go 0.5-1m down on most wings, and with the compact shape its an very interesting biggest wing.... not sure If i would like it in lets say a 4m because I prefer a softer feel. to keep it in the windsurf: rather a supple and soft wavesail as a cambered racesail, but when you looking for power and precision, here it is!

to ad just 1 gripe: imo the front handle is rather small and harder to grab because of the bigger front tube you have to pass by.

dejavu
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6 Apr 2021 6:05AM
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dejavu
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6 Apr 2021 10:46AM
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longboard
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6 Apr 2021 1:39PM
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Interested to know what size the slick is & what the wind speed was...?

Rider weight & foil size?

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
6 Apr 2021 4:20PM
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dejavu said..



Interested to know what size the slick is & what the wind speed was...?

Rider weight & foil size?


10-12 knots max ....

120kg, 7m slick, 150L Hover, 1300 AXIS
105kg, 7m slick, 110L Fanatic, 1300 AXIS
80kg, 6.5m slick, 95L Naish Hover, maybe a 1250 Naish
65kg, 5.5m slock, 65L homemade job, homemade foil .....

longboard
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6 Apr 2021 4:33PM
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longboard said..


dejavu said..




Interested to know what size the slick is & what the wind speed was...?

Rider weight & foil size?



10-12 knots max ....

120kg, 7m slick, 150L Hover, 1300 AXIS
105kg, 7m slick, 110L Fanatic, 1300 AXIS
80kg, 6.5m slick, 95L Naish Hover, maybe a 1250 Naish
65kg, 5.5m slock, 65L homemade job, homemade foil .....



Wow! That's very promising.
I'm on the prowl for a light wind weapon...

For those who have ridden the Slick 6.5 & 7m - how does the wingspan compare to the unit or similar...?

I'm hearing the Slick is lightweight as well - is that a fairly accurate comment?

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
6 Apr 2021 8:40PM
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longboard said..

bigtone667 said..


longboard said..



dejavu said..





Interested to know what size the slick is & what the wind speed was...?

Rider weight & foil size?




10-12 knots max ....

120kg, 7m slick, 150L Hover, 1300 AXIS
105kg, 7m slick, 110L Fanatic, 1300 AXIS
80kg, 6.5m slick, 95L Naish Hover, maybe a 1250 Naish
65kg, 5.5m slock, 65L homemade job, homemade foil .....




Wow! That's very promising.
I'm on the prowl for a light wind weapon...

For those who have ridden the Slick 6.5 & 7m - how does the wingspan compare to the unit or similar...?

I'm hearing the Slick is lightweight as well - is that a fairly accurate comment?


I have the 7m Edge and 7m Slick....

The slick is still wide but they desiged the wing tip to bounce of the water and not drag.

The slick feels much lighter than the edge.

The slick flies better than the edge.

The slick just seems to grab the air and not lose it when you pump.

Foilove
VIC, 17 posts
6 Apr 2021 8:57PM
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bigtone667 said..

longboard said..


bigtone667 said..



longboard said..




dejavu said..






Interested to know what size the slick is & what the wind speed was...?

Rider weight & foil size?





10-12 knots max ....

120kg, 7m slick, 150L Hover, 1300 AXIS
105kg, 7m slick, 110L Fanatic, 1300 AXIS
80kg, 6.5m slick, 95L Naish Hover, maybe a 1250 Naish
65kg, 5.5m slock, 65L homemade job, homemade foil .....





Wow! That's very promising.
I'm on the prowl for a light wind weapon...

For those who have ridden the Slick 6.5 & 7m - how does the wingspan compare to the unit or similar...?

I'm hearing the Slick is lightweight as well - is that a fairly accurate comment?



I have the 7m Edge and 7m Slick....

The slick is still wide but they desiged the wing tip to bounce of the water and not drag.

The slick feels much lighter than the edge.

The slick flies better than the edge.

The slick just seems to grab the air and not lose it when you pump.


Agreed, I have the 7m Slick and have no problem with the width.

dejavu
825 posts
8 Apr 2021 10:53PM
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Compared to the Echo the Slick has: lower aspect ratio; more tension in the canopy; more control; more stable; more power; better boom system and so on. I like the Echo so the Slick should be very nice!

WINDSURFnSNOW
NSW, 1613 posts
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9 Apr 2021 7:03PM
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Finally received our first batch of Slick Silver Alloy booms in to WSS Boards this arvo. Nice slim slightly ovalised bit of kit that is as simple as you'd hope. Important to note to be careful about cutting your booms to 125cm as previously posted here as they overall length of the booms is pretty close to bang on 129 cm. Maybe the tubing itself less the plastic mouldings is 125cm?Weight of the Alloy versions was pretty good but will have more time to actually weight them in tomorrow morning. Sam.









Pacey
WA, 525 posts
9 Apr 2021 8:20PM
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Compared to the Echo the Slick has: lower aspect ratio; more tension in the canopy; more control; more stable; more power; better boom system and so on. I like the Echo so the Slick should be very nice!

Tried my 5.5 Slick today, and your description is pretty accurate. Feels light compared to the Echo.

northy1
491 posts
11 Apr 2021 6:04AM
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ive got Units and only every used these (other than a few goes on a Carbrinha and Wasp) - never used a boom outside of windsurfing - what does the Slick offer over the Unit?

DavidJohn
VIC, 17569 posts
11 Apr 2021 10:04AM
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ive got Units and only every used these (other than a few goes on a Carbrinha and Wasp) - never used a boom outside of windsurfing - what does the Slick offer over the Unit?


A boom..

eppo
WA, 9688 posts
11 Apr 2021 10:24AM
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ive got Units and only every used these (other than a few goes on a Carbrinha and Wasp) - never used a boom outside of windsurfing - what does the Slick offer over the Unit?



I'd say it offers the next gen wing as well. Wing design has come a long way since the units (I rode the unit until I used ppc). Back winding would be markedly reduced. Stiffer frame and yeh the boom I suppose if that floats your boat.
it's not like these wings are getting marginal improvements each year like kites at the moment. They are getting so much better every iteration and all the companies are learning of each other.

Pacey
WA, 525 posts
11 Apr 2021 7:21PM
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northy1 said..
ive got Units and only every used these (other than a few goes on a Carbrinha and Wasp) - never used a boom outside of windsurfing - what does the Slick offer over the Unit?


The Unit is pretty much an Echo without the boom, the Slick is a different beast completely. I sailed mine today for a couple of hours, and also lent it to a couple of friends to try, both of whom proceeded to sail around with only one hand on the boom for extended periods of time. It's a very balanced sail, I noticed today that my back arm is not nearly as bent and carries a lot less load than with the Echo. Give it a try, my guess is that you will be impressed.

DrSeanR
QLD, 14 posts
12 Apr 2021 10:10AM
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The Slick is sick!

Can't say enough about how good this wing feels - both for low end power and handling high end overpowering conditions. I got out on the 5.5m in 10-14 knots... great to pump up onto the foil... stacks of power.

Then had a ripping day 20-25+ knots with gusts to high 20s and felt totally in control. Doesn't backwind at all, like other wings... just solid.

For those who used to windsurf, it is like getting on a fully cambered race sail - solid as... but it still does all the fun stuff, easy manoeuvrability of a wave sail... super light as well!

I am 85kg, a very experienced kiter, ex-pro windsurfer, SUP surfer, and now 4 months into wing foiling.

PrfctChaos
WA, 82 posts
12 Apr 2021 11:03AM
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The pricing on these though . For a 5m, $1550 (with super duper carbon pole 300!), $1350 with the Alu $100 pole. Doesn't even come with a wrist leash($40 extra).

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VIC, 617 posts
12 Apr 2021 3:21PM
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Jumped back on the 3.3 Unit after 4 sessions on the 4.5m Slick. Would be a tough call for me if they did a 4.5m Unit. Really really love the boom but you do notice the weight compared to the Unit.

Pacey
WA, 525 posts
12 Apr 2021 4:36PM
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WINDSURFnSNOW said..
Finally received our first batch of Slick Silver Alloy booms in to WSS Boards this arvo. Nice slim slightly ovalised bit of kit that is as simple as you'd hope. Important to note to be careful about cutting your booms to 125cm as previously posted here as they overall length of the booms is pretty close to bang on 129 cm. Maybe the tubing itself less the plastic mouldings is 125cm?Weight of the Alloy versions was pretty good but will have more time to actually weight them in tomorrow morning. Sam.










Thanks, can confirm 125cm is too short. My cut down SUP paddle shaft (126 cm) popped out of my 5.5 Slick today in a big gust. If you have cut a boom to 125cm you need to extend it to 129cm.

northy1
491 posts
12 Apr 2021 6:06PM
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Jumped back on the 3.3 Unit after 4 sessions on the 4.5m Slick. Would be a tough call for me if they did a 4.5m Unit. Really really love the boom but you do notice the weight compared to the Unit.


yeah i own Units and im keen to learn the benefits (never used a boom), if you move to a slick from this direction
ie i am starting to hear a lot of feedback from Echo uses loving less boom in the slick....but maybe they would love the unit even more ie its the reduced boom (now mini) that is appealing? But from the other side - do boomless Unit users love more boom in the slick?!

i guess i will need to demo one (probably unrealisitc here in the UK as i guess stock will be a premium for a while and new sales will take up all th volume)

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VIC, 617 posts
13 Apr 2021 11:40AM
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Jumped back on the 3.3 Unit after 4 sessions on the 4.5m Slick. Would be a tough call for me if they did a 4.5m Unit. Really really love the boom but you do notice the weight compared to the Unit.



yeah i own Units and im keen to learn the benefits (never used a boom), if you move to a slick from this direction
ie i am starting to hear a lot of feedback from Echo uses loving less boom in the slick....but maybe they would love the unit even more ie its the reduced boom (now mini) that is appealing? But from the other side - do boomless Unit users love more boom in the slick?!

i guess i will need to demo one (probably unrealisitc here in the UK as i guess stock will be a premium for a while and new sales will take up all th volume)


I changed my 5m Unit for a 4.5m Slick, no regrets. Transitions with the boom are a lot easier, only time I really notice the extra weight is when changing hands from front side to back side on a wave.

Alysum
NSW, 1030 posts
13 Apr 2021 6:58PM
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Has the Slick fixed the backwind issue of the Unit ?

Beasho
284 posts
13 Apr 2021 9:54PM
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The F1 Strike has been getting GREAT reviews, and I have witnessed, how well it goes upwind.

How much better does this wing go upwind than previous versions?

I have an Echo 5.0 and love the boom. As an intermediate I find myself making many, many more transitions without falling in. I also like the better connection to a harness with a boom. But I am getting hassled by my F1 foil amigos to buy a Strike.

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
14 Apr 2021 6:48AM
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Alysum said..
Has the Slick fixed the backwind issue of the Unit ?


I have no comment on the backwind issues of the Unit as I have only flown then for a few km's.

But I have been surprised at how high I can fly a 7m Slick in gusty shifty conditions and how easy is was to recover when I was suddenly pointing to high (and powerless). It simply lost power without trying to push me off the board.

I haven't given the new design too much thought, but I have been surprised how much the lift the wing has when you head into the wind on a tack. Duotone have a found/designed a pretty good shape.

bigtone667
NSW, 1543 posts
14 Apr 2021 6:55AM
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Beasho said..
The F1 Strike has been getting GREAT reviews, and I have witnessed, how well it goes upwind.

How much better does this wing go upwind than previous versions?

I have an Echo 5.0 and love the boom. As an intermediate I find myself making many, many more transitions without falling in. I also like the better connection to a harness with a boom. But I am getting hassled by my F1 foil amigos to buy a Strike.


Buy one ..... you might discover it is the best wing out there.

I started on the original 4m Naish and struggled to get up unless the wind was 20knots. The first day I got going on the foil I was fortunate enough to punch a hole in the wing and the local shop loaned me their demo 4m duotone. What a revelation that wing was. I was up and running in a few minutes and everything worked better. So I dumped the Naish for Duotone, and then Duotone for Ozone WASP etc etc.



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