Select to expand quoteShlogger said..Tangur said..HannesP said..Tangur said..HannesP said..
Has anyone compared the low end of the SF930 andSF830? Thinking about changing from SF930 to SF830 to have a more nimble setup but hope to keep the quite good low end of the SF930. Any thoughts?
Foil sections look similar so I'd expect low end to be higher.Why not got for the SF680 if you want something more nimble?It's got a great low end.
Ive used the SF930 as my light wind foil, much prefer it over the HA1050. I was just wondering if I get away with the SF830 instead, since the SF930 feels sometimes a bit slow.
In any other conditions I am on HA850 and HA650. Running all foils with S208/S178
Using a 2025 unit dlab 6.5m and Skybrid 70L at 85kg. Currently get going at around 8-10kts with the SF930
If you have the skills to get going in 8-10 knts with the 930, you shouldn't have any difficulties with the 830, maybe even the 680.I'd also pair it up with the 142 for better glide/pump.
I can second or third this comment. I've had a few sessions in the waves w the SF830 and 142 and the speed, glide and turning went up significantly. It's my favorite combo. It also works on my DW1100 nicely in every aspect except I noticed one day I had smaller bumps and the foil was just too fast to stay in the pocket on a downwinder. Which says a lot about the speed range of the DW1100. So for Bay or smaller days in the ocean and max pump I'd recommend the 192.
Ran the SF830 + S142 the other day at my home local lake in Estonia.. 2 degrees air temp and ice cold freshwater. I felt a couple of times a wobble. I thought maybe something was loose on the foil. Checked it over after getting out and all seemed fine. Maybe there was some small debris in the water from trees. I couldn't spot anything around the foil.
Anyone experiencing wobbles with the S142 or S192?
A friend up in Norway on the SF830 + S192 experienced a couple of wobbles as well.
For reference my last board-short booty-less sessions were in nice uber salty and warm Fijian waters, where all felt OK.
So the questions are:
- any wobbles with S192/S142?
- can extremely different water temp and salination levels influence ride? To the extend to feel or not feel wobbles?
Select to expand quoteThomasK said..
I have the chance to buy (used gear) DW1100 and DW900. North recommends to use them with S142 or S192. My weight is 98kg, so rather the bigger one for me. The problem is that these two stabs are anyway not available...
I have S270, S208 and S215. Would one of these work reasonably good with the two DW's?
Did you get answer on this already? I had the same question for my DW1400. Below the answer from someone at North. Hope it helps (but those stabs seem back in stock)
I meanwhile have the DW1100 and DW900, and I used the DW1100 twice and took the S270 for winging on a small lake. First time in good wind, and it worked fine, although the top speed was not very high, but glide amazing. The HA1150+S208 is faster.
Second time with marginal wind, and it was really easy to pump it up (I am a heavy guy), not to compare with HA1150. But the lulls were so bad that not even the great glide of the dw1100 helped...
I am thinking of adding the DW1400, but as I was able to pump me up with the DW1100 I doubt that the DW1400 will improve anything. For sure jibing will be harder....
Next time when there is wind I will try the S215 and S208, and also the DW900.
Hi Northies,
I have a HA850, C700 and a S208 that I'm looking to sell. Based in Ireland and no problem shipping. I did post to facebook groups a while back but no takers apart from scammers. Any ideas on where to advertise? I'm trying to avoid gear gathering dust while I invest in newer foils :-) and there aren't many north users in Ireland.
Thanks
Select to expand quoteTangur said..
I just received my SF530 - but didn't test it yet as everything is frozen.
Completely different outline and foil sections than the rest of the SF line-up.
Loads of camber like the DW series and similar markings/text placement as the DW series.
Any ride impressions already? Lakes melted? Mine are melted! Can't wait to hear. How deep is that camber? Can you share a sideways pic of the camber profile? Thanks cheers!
Haven't had a chance to test out the SF53 yet.I'll report back when I do.
Here's the latest drop of goodies
S122
S142v2 (redesigned branding, a complete departure from S185 and S215 in the same fashion that the SF530 is an outlier vs the rest of the SF line 680/830/930/1230)
I put them side by side with the Armstrong Dart 120 and Dart 140
Select to expand quoteTangur said..
Haven't had a chance to test out the SF53 yet.I'll report back when I do.
Here's the latest drop of goodies
S122
S142v2 (redesigned branding, a complete departure from S185 and S215 in the same fashion that the SF530 is an outlier vs the rest of the SF line 680/830/930/1230)
I put them side by side with the Armstrong Dart 120 and Dart 140
Real interested in 145 feedback. My 185 I have chopped down to about 170/165 and it feels real good w my whole quiver and I'm loving the 142.
Select to expand quoteOkkervile said..
Thanks for all the support. I got me an SF1230. No opportunity to test yet. But can't wait to compare to my MA2400v2 and MA1800v2 especially in light wind. Now im looking for a solution for High Wind. I consider >25kn as high Wind. What north foil would give me a maximum controllability in that range. I'm 105kg 231lbs I would like to keep my 5m2 Wing my smallest wing.
Controllability is coming from killing lift I guess so as small as possible? but better SF or MA or even maybe HA because of low drag?
What's your experience? I have the same setup weight and consider a new foil. Thanks!
Select to expand quoteBlippblurp said..
What are your thoughts on the dw820? According to the North website, the dw820 is supposed to be significantly faster than the dw750 while having a lower take-off speed. How is this possible? Whats the trade offs, apart from the 4cm longer wing span (104cm)? Or is it just a much better foil?
Could this be the ultimate wing for open ocean wave winging (without the playful SF carves off course)?
Has anyone had the opportunity to ride the DW820 yet? I am interested in how it compares to the DW900 for stall speed. Similar or noticeably higher?
I have been enjoying winging upwind and riding bumps back with the DW1100 and am looking for something smaller, a little faster, and with less span for the higher wind days, like 25g30. Preferring the DW series over the SF because of the additional glide.
I am still very much an intermediate in skill and the low stall speed is helpful/forgiving during transitions.
Trying to decide between the DW820 and DW900
Thanks for your help. With no demos, this discussion is the next best thing.
the ONLY DW wing I've ridden is the 820..so take my comments whet grain of salt but.. I've been on the SF930 AND 830 almost 2 years.. almost always in waves and swell.. and the DW820 IS A BEAST! it's fast, carves nice tight arcs, has an INSANE low end, obviously pumps and glides incredible (have it paired with the 142 Stab and LOVE that thing)
I have to say that 80% of the days that I USED to ride the 830/185 stab combo.. I'm now on the 820 UNLESS the waves are really punchy and powerful and vertical OR if the ocean is crazy mixed up currents... that's when I reach for the 830 (and someday soon the 680SF)...BUT all the other days and ESPECIALLY when there's decent swell to be linked out in the channel... I go for the 820DW
Id love to try the smaller DW some day but I doubt if ever need BIGGER than the 820 (I'm 90 kilos) unless I was truly paddling but... since we'll all be parawing in the near future.. I dunt see one in the cards for my quiver... 820DW for the WIN!!
PS CAN'T WAIT TO TRY the two newest tiny stabs they look epic!
Select to expand quotekyrojoe said..
the ONLY DW wing I've ridden is the 820..so take my comments whet grain of salt but.. I've been on the SF930 AND 830 almost 2 years.. almost always in waves and swell.. and the DW820 IS A BEAST! it's fast, carves nice tight arcs, has an INSANE low end, obviously pumps and glides incredible (have it paired with the 142 Stab and LOVE that thing)
I have to say that 80% of the days that I USED to ride the 830/185 stab combo.. I'm now on the 820 UNLESS the waves are really punchy and powerful and vertical OR if the ocean is crazy mixed up currents... that's when I reach for the 830 (and someday soon the 680SF)...BUT all the other days and ESPECIALLY when there's decent swell to be linked out in the channel... I go for the 820DW
Id love to try the smaller DW some day but I doubt if ever need BIGGER than the 820 (I'm 90 kilos) unless I was truly paddling but... since we'll all be parawing in the near future.. I dunt see one in the cards for my quiver... 820DW for the WIN!!
PS CAN'T WAIT TO TRY the two newest tiny stabs they look epic!
That's great to hear. I've been on the DW 820 preorder here in the States forever. Still waiting.
I really like my DW1100 for light wind and small bumps but the span of course makes my surfing more longboard style.
I tried the C600 fuselage for the first time and i liked it! A bit nervous, but feels fast and very grippy in maneuvers! My set up was
MA1050V2, S178, HM85, 92l midlenth board, 5m wing, gusty wind on a lake, 12-20 knt, 90 kg
Select to expand quotekyrojoe said..
the ONLY DW wing I've ridden is the 820..so take my comments whet grain of salt but.. I've been on the SF930 AND 830 almost 2 years.. almost always in waves and swell.. and the DW820 IS A BEAST! it's fast, carves nice tight arcs, has an INSANE low end, obviously pumps and glides incredible (have it paired with the 142 Stab and LOVE that thing)
I have to say that 80% of the days that I USED to ride the 830/185 stab combo.. I'm now on the 820 UNLESS the waves are really punchy and powerful and vertical OR if the ocean is crazy mixed up currents... that's when I reach for the 830 (and someday soon the 680SF)...BUT all the other days and ESPECIALLY when there's decent swell to be linked out in the channel... I go for the 820DW
Id love to try the smaller DW some day but I doubt if ever need BIGGER than the 820 (I'm 90 kilos) unless I was truly paddling but... since we'll all be parawing in the near future.. I dunt see one in the cards for my quiver... 820DW for the WIN!!
PS CAN'T WAIT TO TRY the two newest tiny stabs they look epic!
Thanks for the review! When and how did you get your hands on the dw820? :) I'm still waiting for mine and North customer support told me they expect delivery at their main warehose around 7th of May.
I have a few more questions for you if you have the time:
- What mast and fuselage are you using?
- Whats your thoughts on the wingspan?
- Is the speed difference between dw820 vs the sf830 noticeable?
Im 95 kg and are using the sf930 and sf680 with s185 and s142. After reading your thoughts on the dw820 it seems like the sf930 will become redundant in my quiver. Do ever use the sf930 after you got the dw820?
Select to expand quotekyrojoe said..
the ONLY DW wing I've ridden is the 820..so take my comments whet grain of salt but.. I've been on the SF930 AND 830 almost 2 years.. almost always in waves and swell.. and the DW820 IS A BEAST! it's fast, carves nice tight arcs, has an INSANE low end, obviously pumps and glides incredible (have it paired with the 142 Stab and LOVE that thing)
I have to say that 80% of the days that I USED to ride the 830/185 stab combo.. I'm now on the 820 UNLESS the waves are really punchy and powerful and vertical OR if the ocean is crazy mixed up currents... that's when I reach for the 830 (and someday soon the 680SF)...BUT all the other days and ESPECIALLY when there's decent swell to be linked out in the channel... I go for the 820DW
Id love to try the smaller DW some day but I doubt if ever need BIGGER than the 820 (I'm 90 kilos) unless I was truly paddling but... since we'll all be parawing in the near future.. I dunt see one in the cards for my quiver... 820DW for the WIN!!
PS CAN'T WAIT TO TRY the two newest tiny stabs they look epic!
Can you post a few pics of the wing? Especially the outline and underside. Curious to see the camber.
Northfoils site is really bad with pictures of the front wing.
Judging by my weight (77) Vs yours I wonder if the DW750 would make sense in small wave riding, especially more glide to connect waves as my pumping game is very poor still
Need some help.
currently using SF830 and SF680 with S178 and liking it quite a lot (60kg) in any wind condition.
I recently purchased the DW900 and paired with the S145 was not really a pleasant riding experience. Pitch control is daunting and my feeling is that is partly due to the S145 stab. I plan to use the DW900 as my light wind weapon.
Would you pair the DW900 with the S178 or S208 for those light wind days? Was also thinking about the new S158v2.
Help appreciated! Thx
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
Need some help.
currently using SF830 and SF680 with S178 and liking it quite a lot (60kg) in any wind condition.
I recently purchased the DW900 and paired with the S145 was not really a pleasant riding experience. Pitch control is daunting and my feeling is that is partly due to the S145 stab. I plan to use the DW900 as my light wind weapon.
Would you pair the DW900 with the S178 or S208 for those light wind days? Was also thinking about the new S158v2.
Help appreciated! Thx
If I'm not mistaken the DW900 would need to be paired with the s142? And the s145 is a surf oriented stab (and actually should work with your SF wings)
issuu.com/northactionsportsgroup/docs/north_foil_catalogue_2025.2
See page 126 for the front wing X stab matrix
Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..kyrojoe said..
the ONLY DW wing I've ridden is the 820..so take my comments whet grain of salt but.. I've been on the SF930 AND 830 almost 2 years.. almost always in waves and swell.. and the DW820 IS A BEAST! it's fast, carves nice tight arcs, has an INSANE low end, obviously pumps and glides incredible (have it paired with the 142 Stab and LOVE that thing)
I have to say that 80% of the days that I USED to ride the 830/185 stab combo.. I'm now on the 820 UNLESS the waves are really punchy and powerful and vertical OR if the ocean is crazy mixed up currents... that's when I reach for the 830 (and someday soon the 680SF)...BUT all the other days and ESPECIALLY when there's decent swell to be linked out in the channel... I go for the 820DW
Id love to try the smaller DW some day but I doubt if ever need BIGGER than the 820 (I'm 90 kilos) unless I was truly paddling but... since we'll all be parawing in the near future.. I dunt see one in the cards for my quiver... 820DW for the WIN!!
PS CAN'T WAIT TO TRY the two newest tiny stabs they look epic!
Can you post a few pics of the wing? Especially the outline and underside. Curious to see the camber.
Northfoils site is really bad with pictures of the front wing.
Judging by my weight (77) Vs yours I wonder if the DW750 would make sense in small wave riding, especially more glide to connect waves as my pumping game is very poor still
pics of 820
Blippburpp.... I purchased the HM mast and S142 Along with the 820 and was fortunate to already have a buyer for the normal carbon mast so I never rode them back Tu back but without doubt I'd never go back from the HM mast.
for sure you can push the 830SF harder and go a little faster than you can on the 820DW...but with the same stab on its REALLY not that big of a difference... I've tried it with both 600 and 700 fuse... usually I prefer the 700 just because our swell can be tricky with counter currents etc etc and I like the stability and feel I can point higher with the longer fuse.
Since I purchased the SF830...THE 930 really hasn't gotten much use. if I was in a true pacific/Atlantic wave spot in light winds I'm sure id use it more... but if we have decent waves it usually means we have 15 plus knots... and the north mode 5.5 has plenty of power in 15knots to pump the 830 onto foil...
so basically now I look at the DW820 as somewhat of my light wind weapon... I just generally have more fun trying to squeeze the most I can out of mediocre wind swell with the DW Foil... and only really bolt the SF830 ON when the waves are quite large and powerful with more aggressive drops... and also when the ocean gets really messy /confused with abrupt changes in our weather patterns.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
Need some help.
currently using SF830 and SF680 with S178 and liking it quite a lot (60kg) in any wind condition.
I recently purchased the DW900 and paired with the S145 was not really a pleasant riding experience. Pitch control is daunting and my feeling is that is partly due to the S145 stab. I plan to use the DW900 as my light wind weapon.
Would you pair the DW900 with the S178 or S208 for those light wind days? Was also thinking about the new S158v2.
Help appreciated! Thx
If you already have those foils, they will work just fine. I've also used my chopped at the lines S185 and it opened up the low end and pump-a-bility at the sacrifice of some glide and speed for really light winds. However, the stabs I've become really fond of are the S142 when wind is moderate or strong and the chopped S192. I chopped it down to the same span as the S142. I'm guessing it's about 172 now? But it has more camber and width so more lift for light days and feels a lot less draggy.
Select to expand quotekyrojoe said..MProject04 said..kyrojoe said..
the ONLY DW wing I've ridden is the 820..so take my comments whet grain of salt but.. I've been on the SF930 AND 830 almost 2 years.. almost always in waves and swell.. and the DW820 IS A BEAST! it's fast, carves nice tight arcs, has an INSANE low end, obviously pumps and glides incredible (have it paired with the 142 Stab and LOVE that thing)
I have to say that 80% of the days that I USED to ride the 830/185 stab combo.. I'm now on the 820 UNLESS the waves are really punchy and powerful and vertical OR if the ocean is crazy mixed up currents... that's when I reach for the 830 (and someday soon the 680SF)...BUT all the other days and ESPECIALLY when there's decent swell to be linked out in the channel... I go for the 820DW
Id love to try the smaller DW some day but I doubt if ever need BIGGER than the 820 (I'm 90 kilos) unless I was truly paddling but... since we'll all be parawing in the near future.. I dunt see one in the cards for my quiver... 820DW for the WIN!!
PS CAN'T WAIT TO TRY the two newest tiny stabs they look epic!
Can you post a few pics of the wing? Especially the outline and underside. Curious to see the camber.
Northfoils site is really bad with pictures of the front wing.
Judging by my weight (77) Vs yours I wonder if the DW750 would make sense in small wave riding, especially more glide to connect waves as my pumping game is very poor still
pics of 820
Thanks Kyrojoe for taking time to share all the information and photos. Super helpful. One followup question: You said the DW820 has an INSANE low end. Besides insane. is there a way to can quantify or describe the difference in stall speed between the SF830 and the DW820?
I recently purchased the North Midi 83L, I am hesitating between the SF930 and the SF1030. I weigh 83kg and currently own the MA1050 and the MA850. Which frontwing suits me best?
So I normally ride a SF 930 as a one foil quiver and love it. Prone, DW, wing in gutless wind swell. Just got my first session prone downwind on the 680. I weigh 200 lbs and our swell is pretty gutless. I never in my wildest dreams
could have imagined I'd be able to prone on a 105 sq in front wing.and it was easy. Hats off to the north team. This one is a winner, can't wait to wing it.
So I'm shopping a tail to go with my 680 and I picked up the 142 in the shop and it was light - much too light - like it was foam cored in there. I think that tail would last 5-10 min in my regular use. Is the 145 v2 like that also? God why do they make stabs like that? Making it solid carbon would cost almost nothing and the performance gains of the light weight foam core on something so small are almost non existent!
Hey All, trying to decide between the dw1100 and the sf1080. Im mainly riding flat water, not much in the way of local surf. i have been able to demo the sf1080 and really liked it, but cant demo the dw.
According to north the dw should be a little quicker than the sf, and should have a little more glide, with a bit less turn.
Anyone who has ridden both? If you could only have one for mainly flat water, which way woulf you go?
Thanks
I have both, and the above is true, only that the dw1100 has more than a little more glide, and considerably less turn than the SF1080. However, this also depends on the stab used!
As I also have the dw900 and the SF1230, I rather compare SF1230 with DW1100, and SF1080 with DW900 (I am heavy guy).
"mainly flat water" can mean smooth flat water --> the DWxxx is great. But can also mean "absence of ocean waves, but still bumpy" --> I prefer the SF series. If extremely bumpy, I even prefer the MAxxx series.
Select to expand quoteThomasK said..
I have both, and the above is true, only that the dw1100 has more than a little more glide, and considerably less turn than the SF1080. However, this also depends on the stab used!
As I also have the dw900 and the SF1230, I rather compare SF1230 with DW1100, and SF1080 with DW900 (I am heavy guy).
"mainly flat water" can mean smooth flat water --> the DWxxx is great. But can also mean "absence of ocean waves, but still bumpy" --> I prefer the SF series. If extremely bumpy, I even prefer the MAxxx series.
Thanks mate, I rode the sf1230 also, I didnt mind it, but found it a bit draggy, and speed limited.
How do you find the top end of the dw1100 to the sf1080?
Im on the heavy side too, and for the moment its going to be a 1 foil quiver, so I need somethng to carry me through the widest range possible. I had been thinking that the dw would get me going in lighter winds without sacrificing top end. Is that a reasonable assumption in your opinion?
Whats your prefered sta for the dw1100?
Thanks
Select to expand quotecalc said..
Hey All, trying to decide between the dw1100 and the sf1080. Im mainly riding flat water, not much in the way of local surf. i have been able to demo the sf1080 and really liked it, but cant demo the dw.
According to north the dw should be a little quicker than the sf, and should have a little more glide, with a bit less turn.
Anyone who has ridden both? If you could only have one for mainly flat water, which way woulf you go?
Thanks
I've had both, the DW1100 is faster, pumps faster and glides far better, however the turning of the SF1080 is far easier. The DW1100 can be turned aggressively but it's far more technical. So it'll depend on what you want to do. If your waterbody has some chop trains to glide on, I'd lean towards the DW, however is you want to try new moves and jump, I'd go SF.
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..calc said..
Hey All, trying to decide between the dw1100 and the sf1080. Im mainly riding flat water, not much in the way of local surf. i have been able to demo the sf1080 and really liked it, but cant demo the dw.
According to north the dw should be a little quicker than the sf, and should have a little more glide, with a bit less turn.
Anyone who has ridden both? If you could only have one for mainly flat water, which way woulf you go?
Thanks
I've had both, the DW1100 is faster, pumps faster and glides far better, however the turning of the SF1080 is far easier. The DW1100 can be turned aggressively but it's far more technical. So it'll depend on what you want to do. If your waterbody has some chop trains to glide on, I'd lean towards the DW, however is you want to try new moves and jump, I'd go SF.
Thanks mate, I have been assuming that the dw has a better bottom end than the sf, did you find that to be true?
Which Stab did you go with for the dw?
Select to expand quotecalc said..Shlogger said..calc said..
Hey All, trying to decide between the dw1100 and the sf1080. Im mainly riding flat water, not much in the way of local surf. i have been able to demo the sf1080 and really liked it, but cant demo the dw.
According to north the dw should be a little quicker than the sf, and should have a little more glide, with a bit less turn.
Anyone who has ridden both? If you could only have one for mainly flat water, which way woulf you go?
Thanks
I've had both, the DW1100 is faster, pumps faster and glides far better, however the turning of the SF1080 is far easier. The DW1100 can be turned aggressively but it's far more technical. So it'll depend on what you want to do. If your waterbody has some chop trains to glide on, I'd lean towards the DW, however is you want to try new moves and jump, I'd go SF.
Thanks mate, I have been assuming that the dw has a better bottom end than the sf, did you find that to be true?
Which Stab did you go with for the dw?
If it's light wind and small bump I use the 192 chopped down to about 170ish. I posted a picture above. (BTW never hit foam when I cut it down, all HMCarbon) if the wind is moderate solid 5M and below, I like the 142. I've been using the 142 on my SF830 and 680 as well. Today I broke out my SF930 w the chopped 192 and the stall speed was ridiculously low, very turny and quite pumpable.
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..calc said..Shlogger said..calc said..
Hey All, trying to decide between the dw1100 and the sf1080. Im mainly riding flat water, not much in the way of local surf. i have been able to demo the sf1080 and really liked it, but cant demo the dw.
According to north the dw should be a little quicker than the sf, and should have a little more glide, with a bit less turn.
Anyone who has ridden both? If you could only have one for mainly flat water, which way woulf you go?
Thanks
I've had both, the DW1100 is faster, pumps faster and glides far better, however the turning of the SF1080 is far easier. The DW1100 can be turned aggressively but it's far more technical. So it'll depend on what you want to do. If your waterbody has some chop trains to glide on, I'd lean towards the DW, however is you want to try new moves and jump, I'd go SF.
Thanks mate, I have been assuming that the dw has a better bottom end than the sf, did you find that to be true?
Which Stab did you go with for the dw?
If it's light wind and small bump I use the 192 chopped down to about 170ish. I posted a picture above. (BTW never hit foam when I cut it down, all HMCarbon) if the wind is moderate solid 5M and below, I like the 142. I've been using the 142 on my SF830 and 680 as well. Today I broke out my SF930 w the chopped 192 and the stall speed was ridiculously low, very turny and quite pumpable.
You asked about bottom end. I'll call it a tie. I think the SF is easier to milk low end but the DW is right there w good technique. Hope that helps.
