DW season is just beginning here and I'm starting to wing on my SUP with the 1125.
I can ride the 1125 all day everyday on my prone board in the surf but I'm struggling on the SUP with the wing.
I get out of shape in the gybes mostly ,and riding toeside feels unstable. Any tips appreciated ....I tried my prone setup with 1125/50/v200 and then I switched to the 60 fuse and 232 which was more stable.
Select to expand quotekobo said..
DW season is just beginning here and I'm starting to wing on my SUP with the 1125.
I can ride the 1125 all day everyday on my prone board in the surf but I'm struggling on the SUP with the wing.
I get out of shape in the gybes mostly ,and riding toeside feels unstable. Any tips appreciated ....I tried my prone setup with 1125/50/v200 and then I switched to the 60 fuse and 232 which was more stable.
I've been enjoying the 1125 with 60 fuse, 85 mast, fv200 with two red shims (+1). My back foot is on or just behind the trailing edge of the mast. Setting 5-6 on the 60L FG board
I've only tried the 50 fuse with the 100cm mast.
Have you tried the 925 / 50 fuse prone?
Riders with more time on the 1125; do you now find your launch threshold is closer to what it might be for the low end of the HS1850 rather than the @17 knots that guys were needing earlier in this thread? Pumping a HA up is obviously quite different than the HS wings, but I'm getting the HA925 going earlier and earlier making me think the 1125 could possibly replace my 1850 (maybe losing a knot or two on the low end) The 925 has been blowing my mind and I'm hoping the 1125 could be my lighter air foil. I've ridden the 1125 only once in 20 knots so didn't have a real sense of its light wind potential. I'm hoping to SUP it too. Is there still a reason to keep the 1850?
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..kobo said..
DW season is just beginning here and I'm starting to wing on my SUP with the 1125.
I can ride the 1125 all day everyday on my prone board in the surf but I'm struggling on the SUP with the wing.
I get out of shape in the gybes mostly ,and riding toeside feels unstable. Any tips appreciated ....I tried my prone setup with 1125/50/v200 and then I switched to the 60 fuse and 232 which was more stable.
I've been enjoying the 1125 with 60 fuse, 85 mast, fv200 with two red shims (+1). My back foot is on or just behind the trailing edge of the mast. Setting 5-6 on the 60L FG board
I've only tried the 50 fuse with the 100cm mast.
Have you tried the 925 / 50 fuse prone?
Yep I absolutely loving the 925 prone with 50 fuse and v200, Had one of my best sessions ever on it the other day it pumps so fast and covers ground quickly , then whips the turns in easy as. I like the 1125 with the 50 and v too, just struggling on the SUP with the wing.
Can anyone recommend the best tail to complement the 1125 for MAXIMUM pump & glide...?
Just tried the KD maui 14" tail & was very underwhelmed.
Felt like I was cruising around with the hand brake on...I'm sure that rail has its place or otherwise I'm clearly missing something.
Keen to find the best tail to maximise the characteristics of the 1125...
I adapted a SPG 18 inch Sprint tail. Very thin and fast. easy to cut down as well www.signatureperformancegear.com/product/sprint-18-tail-wing/?v=e4dd286dc7d7
Konrad have some as well www.konradboarding.com/product-page/ha260-stabiliser-wing
I use the KDMaui 15 inch as well the +1 shim will speed it up a lot.
Select to expand quotehilly said..
I adapted a SPG 18 inch Sprint tail. Very thin and fast. easy to cut down as well www.signatureperformancegear.com/product/sprint-18-tail-wing/?v=e4dd286dc7d7
Thanks Hilly.
I actually have one of those tails...
Would you mind giving some insight on how you adapted the tail to fit the Armstrong fuse...?
Would it be a case of drilling the aft hole to align with the Armstrong rear hole on the fuse...(Basically drill another hole at the red dot?)
And possibly some sanding on the tail area that contacts the fuse as well...?
Select to expand quotelongboard said..hilly said..
I adapted a SPG 18 inch Sprint tail. Very thin and fast. easy to cut down as well www.signatureperformancegear.com/product/sprint-18-tail-wing/?v=e4dd286dc7d7
Thanks Hilly.
I actually have one of those tails...
Would you mind giving some insight on how you adapted the tail to fit the Armstrong fuse...?
Would it be a case of drilling the aft hole to align with the Armstrong rear hole on the fuse...(Basically drill another hole at the red dot?)
And possibly some sanding on the tail area that contacts the fuse as well...?
I filled the hole with epoxy and re-drilled a new hole and counter sunk it.
I added bog at the front but that fell off and it works fine with no sanding.
Select to expand quotehilly said..longboard said..hilly said..
I adapted a SPG 18 inch Sprint tail. Very thin and fast. easy to cut down as well www.signatureperformancegear.com/product/sprint-18-tail-wing/?v=e4dd286dc7d7
Thanks Hilly.
I actually have one of those tails...
Would you mind giving some insight on how you adapted the tail to fit the Armstrong fuse...?
Would it be a case of drilling the aft hole to align with the Armstrong rear hole on the fuse...(Basically drill another hole at the red dot?)
And possibly some sanding on the tail area that contacts the fuse as well...?
I filled the hole with epoxy and re-drilled a new hole and counter sunk it.
I added bog at the front but that fell off and it works fine with no sanding.
Awesome - thanks!I like the flex in the SPG tails I've tried. Seems to add some "spring" or "pop" to each pump...
How do you find the spg 18" adds to the 1125?
Better glide as well as pump...?
Select to expand quotelongboard said..hilly said..longboard said..hilly said..
I adapted a SPG 18 inch Sprint tail. Very thin and fast. easy to cut down as well www.signatureperformancegear.com/product/sprint-18-tail-wing/?v=e4dd286dc7d7
Thanks Hilly.
I actually have one of those tails...
Would you mind giving some insight on how you adapted the tail to fit the Armstrong fuse...?
Would it be a case of drilling the aft hole to align with the Armstrong rear hole on the fuse...(Basically drill another hole at the red dot?)
And possibly some sanding on the tail area that contacts the fuse as well...?
I filled the hole with epoxy and re-drilled a new hole and counter sunk it.
I added bog at the front but that fell off and it works fine with no sanding.
Awesome - thanks!I like the flex in the SPG tails I've tried. Seems to add some "spring" or "pop" to each pump...
How do you find the spg 18" adds to the 1125?
Better glide as well as pump...?
It is fast due to the thinness. More glide more pump. The stall speed is lower.
Select to expand quotehilly said..longboard said..hilly said..longboard said..hilly said..
I adapted a SPG 18 inch Sprint tail. Very thin and fast. easy to cut down as well www.signatureperformancegear.com/product/sprint-18-tail-wing/?v=e4dd286dc7d7
Thanks Hilly.
I actually have one of those tails...
Would you mind giving some insight on how you adapted the tail to fit the Armstrong fuse...?
Would it be a case of drilling the aft hole to align with the Armstrong rear hole on the fuse...(Basically drill another hole at the red dot?)
And possibly some sanding on the tail area that contacts the fuse as well...?
I filled the hole with epoxy and re-drilled a new hole and counter sunk it.
I added bog at the front but that fell off and it works fine with no sanding.
Awesome - thanks!I like the flex in the SPG tails I've tried. Seems to add some "spring" or "pop" to each pump...
How do you find the spg 18" adds to the 1125?
Better glide as well as pump...?
It is fast due to the thinness. More glide more pump. The stall speed is lower.
I like the mention of lower stall speed.
It does beg the question : why hasn't Armstrong made a HA tail wing to go with the HA front foils...???
Me to and its needed. One thing we discovered doing quick downwinders in decent big runners is my son on his 925 lost stability at high speeds using the V tail. I could see it from behind - almost like the wobbles you used to get on a down hill skateboard run. He could go quicker on his 1050 because of this. A longer fused helped but it was still there.
When i am beating my son on fast downwind swell link ups theres something not quite right. (If you watched him prone or wing you would get why).
that being said he did some slower high wind Dws with nathan (on the art 999) and man both of them were pretty much flagged out the entire way - was awesome to witness. Some great footage was taken as well.
Select to expand quoteCan555 said..low end of the HS1850
1325 would be closer than the 1125. The 1850 has massive area to get you up but it is slow. Different wings.
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Me to and its needed. One thing we discovered doing quick downwinders in decent big runners is my son on his 925 lost stability at high speeds using the V tail. I could see it from behind - almost like the wobbles you used to get on a down hill skateboard run. He could go quicker on his 1050 because of this. A longer fused helped but it was still there.
When i am beating my son on fast downwind swell link ups theres something not quite right. (If you watched him prone or wing you would get why).
that being said he did some slower high wind Dws with nathan (on the art 999) and man both of them were pretty much flagged out the entire way - was awesome to witness. Some great footage was taken as well.
+1 the v tail loses stability at high speeds, love it on the 1125/925 ,but I struggle with it in bigger waves on the 1050 so I change back to the 232 and wobble gone.
Select to expand quotekobo said..eppo said..
Me to and its needed. One thing we discovered doing quick downwinders in decent big runners is my son on his 925 lost stability at high speeds using the V tail. I could see it from behind - almost like the wobbles you used to get on a down hill skateboard run. He could go quicker on his 1050 because of this. A longer fused helped but it was still there.
When i am beating my son on fast downwind swell link ups theres something not quite right. (If you watched him prone or wing you would get why).
that being said he did some slower high wind Dws with nathan (on the art 999) and man both of them were pretty much flagged out the entire way - was awesome to witness. Some great footage was taken as well.
+1 the v tail loses stability at high speeds, love it on the 1125/925 ,but I struggle with it in bigger waves on the 1050 so I change back to the 232 and wobble gone.
I've noticed something odd with the v tail and 925 when at speed as well. Still dialing in shims and mast placement there.
I wonder if chopping the tips would alleviate the wobbles?
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..kobo said..eppo said..
Me to and its needed. One thing we discovered doing quick downwinders in decent big runners is my son on his 925 lost stability at high speeds using the V tail. I could see it from behind - almost like the wobbles you used to get on a down hill skateboard run. He could go quicker on his 1050 because of this. A longer fused helped but it was still there.
When i am beating my son on fast downwind swell link ups theres something not quite right. (If you watched him prone or wing you would get why).
that being said he did some slower high wind Dws with nathan (on the art 999) and man both of them were pretty much flagged out the entire way - was awesome to witness. Some great footage was taken as well.
+1 the v tail loses stability at high speeds, love it on the 1125/925 ,but I struggle with it in bigger waves on the 1050 so I change back to the 232 and wobble gone.
I've noticed something odd with the v tail and 925 when at speed as well. Still dialing in shims and mast placement there.
I wonder if chopping the tips would alleviate the wobbles?
Had a couple of mates swear that chopping the tips off the V stopped the wobbles...
I have the 925 and my experience has been kiting only 85cm mast/60 fuselage v2/0 shim, 1m pocket board with straps, boosting and carving. The v-tail can't handle the high speed and pressure and gives way frequently, so I changed to the HS232V2 tail which is much better, it locks in and doesn't give way edging hard. With this said the 925 doesn't like riding powered on a kite in choppy water 2-3 foot, close period as the wing tips feel all the turbulence, could be better on the 93cm mast if that ever arrives, but much better under 16-17 knots and a nice light wind foil.
It took me a few sessions to dial in the 925, and my comparison foil is the Moses W800/400 for kiting. For kiting, I'd prefer the 925 to be 800mm wide max (maybe chop-shop after warranty has passed), but I think the use case for the 925 is winging/prone. The 925 is more sensitive to weight movements as long and skinny, so weight distribution is key if you want to throw this foil around, otherwise it just kicks you off.
Only reason I use it kiting as waiting for the HS1050 to arrive. I can carve harder and have a slower stall speed with the HS1250, but it's too wide for kiting going rail to rail quickly on small board.
I haven't used the 925 winging yet, 1250 is great for that.
FYI: 95-100kg rider
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wicka said..
Here's a pic I found of the new ha 200 tail if anyone interested.
Damn right I'm interested!
Thanks...
He tried my chopped V tail on an 85 mast and ot was better but still unstable at really high DW speeds. Will try with the 232 and then some other flat thin wings. That 200 might be go.
Both my and the Armstrong v tail are less stable at high speed than a normal tail because of the flex. They need relatively more Aoa to work because the tips twist off as they are loaded with increasing speed, effectively reducing the tail size as you go faster. this also means there's less drawback to running more negative angle. I'd highly recommend negative shims on the A+, for both the v tail and 232 v2 on 60 and 70 fuselage with 85 mast and HA font wing.
Here's what I found works:
1125/85m/70f/232v2 0 to -1 over A+
925/85m/60/232v2 -1 over A+
1550v2/85m/60f/232v2 -1 to -1,5 over A+
I have also tried the 925/85/60/v200 twice and it probably needs about -1.5 over A+
This tuning is what I've found most people like for anytime speeds exceed 15mph. Small wave prone foilers can run setups that don't work at higher speeds. If you try this and end up suddenly stalling or have too much front foot on takeoff try moving the mast back a bit.
General rule of thumb on longer masts is add -1 to -1.5 to whatever works on a short mast. Most of these wing sets probably work great without a shim on the 72!
Select to expand quoteFoilAddict said..
Here's what I found works:
1125/85m/70f/232v2 0 to -1 over A+
925/85m/60/232v2 -1 over A+
1550v2/85m/60f/232v2 -1 to -1,5 over A+
I have also tried the 925/85/60/v200 twice and it probably needs about -1.5 over A+
you mean adding -1 shim or running it with no shim on a+ so it's minus 1?
ive been finding the v200 better winging with no shim on the 925 but not tried any more negative
Trying not to get off topic but any chance is anyone able to tell me the average thickness of the 232 v2?
232 is pretty thick - too thick in my opinion - hence hoping armie release a thin smaller but wider tail to suite the HA wings. Or we will just keep experimenting with others brands on there like we are.
All stSelect to expand quoteleepasty said..FoilAddict said..
Here's what I found works:
1125/85m/70f/232v2 0 to -1 over A+
925/85m/60/232v2 -1 over A+
1550v2/85m/60f/232v2 -1 to -1,5 over A+
I have also tried the 925/85/60/v200 twice and it probably needs about -1.5 over A+
you mean adding -1 shim or running it with no shim on a+ so it's minus 1?
ive been finding the v200 better winging with no shim on the 925 but not tried any more negative
These are on top of the -1 in the A+ system.
