I've deleted the leaked pics. Dimensions are:
Area: 1125 cm sq
Wingspan: 1050mm
Aspect Ratio: 9.8
Cool new v-stab too.
Rumoured to be available in May.
9.81 aspect ratio. Who is going to be able to ride this thing. I'm interested to see it in the wild.
Good find Pat.
I hope the extra top screw in the front wing goes into the existing fuses with shorter bolts, like my pic.
Screws into side of fuse are similar to what Starboard do on their gear. Not sure if really needed??
time to sell off my HS1850 and get one of these when they are available. New tail look sweet too.
I can't get the link to work (maybe its been removed?).
I wonder if Armstrong will have other HA foils for sale soon? This one looks like a winner.
Kinda a premature leak. Armstrong would probably want this removed too. I can't wait for it!
Select to expand quoteHdip said..
9.81 aspect ratio. Who is going to be able to ride this thing. I'm interested to see it in the wild.
AXIS 1300 is 9.XX Aspect Ratio and it is awesome to glide on (although the area is a lot larger).
I've heard the added top of wing screw is fully compatible with existing fuses and can be added to existing wings if preferred. Everything is essentially forward and backward compatible. There will be a jig to allow adding a hole to the top of the wing to accommodate the top screw.
Also will be screws on the left and right of the mast/fuse. I imagine this will be something you could add, although this would involve drilling through the fuse and tapping new threads.
All of this serves to tighten up the whole rig and may be more needed for heavier riders than featherweights like myself.
Select to expand quotebigtone667 said..Hdip said..
9.81 aspect ratio. Who is going to be able to ride this thing. I'm interested to see it in the wild.
AXIS 1300 is 9.XX Aspect Ratio and it is awesome to glide on (although the area is a lot larger).
It won't be hard,
Plenty have been riding these @ AR10+
sabfoil.com/en/products/wing-1000-wind-race-987-cm2
You are going to need a TON of wind to wing with this. It will have a high stall speed. Looks amazing for surfing bigger conditions.
Select to expand quoteemmafoils said..
You are going to need a TON of wind to wing with this. It will have a high stall speed. Looks amazing for surfing bigger conditions.
It is not a surfing wing. I wingding the 1250 in 12 knots @ 105kg. This will need less.
I agree Hilly I can windfoil in 10 kts on a 1000 ha foil and heavier than you and a windsurf rig is even heavier than a ding
Select to expand quotehilly said..emmafoils said..
You are going to need a TON of wind to wing with this. It will have a high stall speed. Looks amazing for surfing bigger conditions.
It is not a surfing wing. I wingding the 1250 in 12 knots @ 105kg. This will need less.
I am not saying one cannot wing with a foil like the 1125 but there is no way a 1125 cm2 foil with AR close to 10 will go in less than a 1250 cm2 foil with AR of around 5.5
Select to expand quoteemmafoils said..hilly said..emmafoils said..
You are going to need a TON of wind to wing with this. It will have a high stall speed. Looks amazing for surfing bigger conditions.
It is not a surfing wing. I wingding the 1250 in 12 knots @ 105kg. This will need less.
I am not saying one cannot wing with a foil like the 1125 but there is no way a 1125 cm2 foil with AR close to 10 will go in less than a 1250 cm2 foil with AR of around 5.5
All HA foils I have used are more efficient so once going they keep going especially if you can pump well. With a wingspan over a metre it will have some lift.
In my experience the higher the aspect ratio the less surface area you need to make the foil work.
Crickey that Moses has the mast a long way back on the fuse, is that for wind foiling?
Here's a review of the W1000 as a winging foil for those who haven't already seen the video: 
Select to expand quotefoilthegreats said..
In my experience the higher the aspect ratio the less surface area you need to make the foil work.
that's correct. I constantly have to remind people to stop looking at surface area when they want to transition from mid-aspect to high-aspect. You need a lot less surface with H.A. 
Select to expand quotekobo said..
Crickey that Moses has the mast a long way back on the fuse, is that for wind foiling?
yes it was originally designed for wind foiling.
Select to expand quoteAlysum said..foilthegreats said..
In my experience the higher the aspect ratio the less surface area you need to make the foil work.
that's correct. I constantly have to remind people to stop looking at surface area when they want to transition from mid-aspect to high-aspect. You need a lot less surface with H.A.
It is true and not true... If HA was the holy grail of all wings, there wouldn't be a place for the rest. HA still require more skills than a mid aspect.
SAB is about to release 2 mid aspects which I reckon are more suited to the masses for wing foiling.
There is a comparison from Mackiteboarding that highlights the key difference between HA and MA (Moses 1000 vs Fone Phantom 1480).www.mackiteboarding.com/news/joes-thoughts-on-the-moses-1000-vs-fone-phantom-1480/
Select to expand quoteemmafoils said..
You are going to need a TON of wind to wing with this. It will have a high stall speed. Looks amazing for surfing bigger conditions.
while I haven't ridden this particular foil, I can at least relay my 1st experience with what I'll call a true HA foil (in winging terms only... AR ~10+). First of all, those things scare me. My friend has offered up his F4 race windsurf foil to me plenty of times for a test ride, and I had always turned him down. I was a competent to proficient windfoiler on Slingshot and Fanatic recreational gear, and that race stuff just looked too dangerous. I picked up winging last February. I was windsurfing one day (slapper) and a guy I know who used to be an OG windsurf slalom racer, turned kiter (then racer), now winger... he wanted to trade off gear in the water and have a go on the slapper. We swapped, and it was my first go on his gear and all stuff I had never ridden before: 4m Wasp, Mike's Lab kite formula board cut down in most dimensions with footstraps which I don't normally use, and an F4 windsurf race foil 900mm span w/ area I think in the 800-900cm range. I was expecting the foil to be a real struggle, especially considering a foreign board and wing. I had ridden another F4 foil that I didn't really care for, and I was not expecting this experience to go any better considering the AR. The takeoff was easy and controlled and did not need a divine act to get going. Simply pump the wing as normal and start flying. The ride was extremely stable, and the glide was unlike anything I have experienced. I think at the time I was riding the Fanatic HA 1750 (AR ~6) wingset, but possibly I was on the SS i76 windsurf setup for winging. Since then I have ridden foils that have similar specs that ride completely different, so my lesson is to ignore some of these numbers and just try what you can and see what you like.
I just assembled my Moses W1000/S400/647 glider. The thing honestly scares me, and I might round off some sharp corners before its maiden voyage, but I am interested to see what the ride is like. Hopefully tomorrow.
I'm still relatively new to winging -- only a couple of months in -- so take all of this with a grain of salt.
I've had 2 sessions on the Moses W1000 using a fairly large board, 120 liter F One V2, 5m Wasp v1 wing, I weigh 85 kgs. Wind was 20 mph. I don't have it dialed in yet, but so far I will say it's easy to ride, it does have more glide than my 1100 and 790, and is definitely faster (+3-7 mph). All in all, it has a lot of flexibility. The stall speed is low enough that you can ride SF Bay wind chop or ground swell outside the Golden Gate bridge and stay on the same wave for a while or you can choose to pump ahead to the next one or two in front of you... did I say it was fast?!
Having said that, I don't love the sharp/pointy razor sharp tips that could lacerate me or my wing if I take an awkward wipeout. The 1100 and 790 are much less intimidating (no sharp ends) so I can be much more aggressive on pulling into waves or cutting hard on turns. Jury is still out if I'll ride the 1000 regularly in waves. It seems to turn fairly well on waves, not as good as the 790 or 1100, but still fun. One other thing I noticed is that when the water is turbulent (ebb tide, wind blowing opposite, boat traffic), it still gets pushed up/breaches unexpectedly. I was hoping with less surface area the wing wouldn't breach as much. I thought it would just knife through all of that stuff.
I've been wondering if the Armstrong 1250, Lift 200 HA or V2 Surf 200 would provide a better balance of surfy feel and glide without the threat of a major wound. They don't look as death bladey. The new Moses 940 looks like a Lift foil though so maybe I'll try that out too. Damn sport is addictive and expensive with cool new stuff coming out all the time.
Select to expand quoteLivit said..
SAB is about to release 2 mid aspects which I reckon are more suited to the masses for wing foiling.
Hi mate, Do you have any details on these wings / link you can share?
I'm at the pointy end of the decision process...
Select to expand quotehalfwaythere said..I've been wondering if the Armstrong 1250, would provide a better balance of surfy feel and glide without the threat of a major wound. They don't look as death bladey. The new Moses 940 looks like a Lift foil though so maybe I'll try that out too. Damn sport is addictive and expensive with cool new stuff coming out all the time.
Pretty amazed at how good the 1250 is. I have sold my 1550, 1850 and 2400 wings. The 1250 ticks all the boxes and I weigh 105kg. Just bought a 1050 and that is a great step down for more wind and bigger swell.
Select to expand quotehilly said..halfwaythere said..I've been wondering if the Armstrong 1250, would provide a better balance of surfy feel and glide without the threat of a major wound. They don't look as death bladey. The new Moses 940 looks like a Lift foil though so maybe I'll try that out too. Damn sport is addictive and expensive with cool new stuff coming out all the time.
Pretty amazed at how good the 1250 is. I have sold my 1550, 1850 and 2400 wings. The 1250 ticks all the boxes and I weigh 105kg. Just bought a 1050 and that is a great step down for more wind and bigger swell.
Now get the saw out Hilly and chop shop that shiny 1250 to make it faster and looser and reduce ventilation ! ??
Select to expand quotekobo said..Now get the saw out Hilly and chop shop that shiny 1250 to make it faster and looser and reduce ventilation ! ??
Not so shiny any more, clunked a few reefs
Select to expand quotefoilthegreats said..
In my experience the higher the aspect ratio the less surface area you need to make the foil work.
Depends on what you mean by "making the foil work" and your power source to lift the foil. I get that everyone is super excited about a new foil and direction for Armstrong but facts are stubborn things.
Despite people's individual reports, the fact remains that higher AR (for a given SA) means higher stall speed. May not matter if you have a wave pushing you but for winging, going up on AR requires more wind/wing (for a given SA) to achieve lift off.
For those who like to repeat the canard that SA does not matter for high aspect foils, sorry but the laws of physics have not been canceled.
Select to expand quoteemmafoils said..foilthegreats said..
In my experience the higher the aspect ratio the less surface area you need to make the foil work.
Depends on what you mean by "making the foil work" and your power source to lift the foil. I get that everyone is super excited about a new foil and direction for Armstrong but facts are stubborn things.
Despite people's individual reports, the fact remains that higher AR (for a given SA) means higher stall speed. May not matter if you have a wave pushing you but for winging, going up on AR requires more wind/wing (for a given SA) to achieve lift off.
For those who like to repeat the canard that SA does not matter for high aspect foils, sorry but the laws of physics have not been canceled.
Thing is though, HA wings like this tend to be thin and if it happens to have a lower frontal area and less form drag as a result (compared to an LA wing) you will achieve a higher speed from the pull of the wing before it even lifts off. Slight improvement in apparent wind presented to the wing and you're off to a good start.
