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Created by theselkie > 9 months ago, 21 Nov 2018
r13
NSW, 1712 posts
20 Jul 2022 8:57PM
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sydchris
NSW, 387 posts
23 Jul 2022 5:37PM
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Price now reduced - a bargain for someone. Interesting cabin furniture! www.ebay.com.au/itm/295106353985

GKandCC
NSW, 218 posts
23 Jul 2022 6:39PM
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Price now reduced - a bargain for someone. Interesting cabin furniture! www.ebay.com.au/itm/295106353985


How on earth did they get that Chesterfield lounge in there, look carefully and there's a single-seater Chesterfield opposite(beside the full-sized fridge!) and 'why is the head not furnished to a similar standard...honey?'. Tardis! These guys need to go into interior design for tiny-houses.

SoloCMV
NSW, 27 posts
23 Jul 2022 6:42PM
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Absolutely love love the chesterfield in the Alan Wright !!!

Ramona
NSW, 7722 posts
24 Jul 2022 9:01AM
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Price now reduced - a bargain for someone. Interesting cabin furniture! www.ebay.com.au/itm/295106353985


That's a lovely little boat. Not sure about the full sized fridge though. I thought about using the same idea for the bunk but the basic furniture was already there and I just used the lounge cushions instead. Most lounges come apart and will fit through hatch ways. Mine are fabric covered but there are plenty of nice leather lounges on footpaths or Facebook Market place.

cisco
QLD, 12361 posts
24 Jul 2022 2:13PM
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This boat is begging for a buyer. I suspect it will sell for somewhat less than the ask.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/dubois-34/273434

I think this Peterson at Airlie will go soon too. I would not be shy of the 2.4 m draught. Will still get through the Great Sandy Straits.

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/peterson-38/269648

r13
NSW, 1712 posts
24 Jul 2022 4:56PM
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Neat boat the 34 but unfortunately another yacht with runners crying out to be converted to swept back spreaders with no runners, using stout ply gussets epoxied under the sidedecks and to the hull topsides and keel floor at 27deg or so. Of course need to do the mast and standing rigging checks to ensure all can take it. Ed the pom would be rolling in his grave being called a frog.............

www.yachtingmagazine.com/naval-architect-ed-dubois/

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
25 Jul 2022 6:29PM
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Cisco said ....I would not be shy of the 2.4 m draught. Will still get through the Great Sandy Straits


Just wondering what you would consider a prohibitive draught for the Great Sandy Straits?

Looked at a Beneteau first 47.7 the other day which draws 2.8.

cisco
QLD, 12361 posts
25 Jul 2022 9:44PM
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Cisco said ....I would not be shy of the 2.4 m draught. Will still get through the Great Sandy Straits


Just wondering what you would consider a prohibitive draught for the Great Sandy Straits?
Looked at a Beneteau first 47.7 the other day which draws 2.8.



You might get a 3m draught through but you would be looking for spring tides I think.

Saw a few Beneteaus in the straits last time through. Navionics says 1 m at the shallow spot which should be L.A.T. so with a 3 m draught you would be looking for a 2+m tide. For Boonlye Point (the shallows) the tide table secondary port page says to use Burnett Heads tides + 1 hour and virtually the same heights from memory. Even during neap tides you have 2+m tides most of the time.

I would suck it and see. Worst case you just have to back track and go outside Fraser. Doing that though I would stand well off in all but dead calm weather. It can get pretty wild out there.
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julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
26 Jul 2022 7:03AM
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Cisco said....


You might get a 3m draught through but you would be looking for spring tides I think.





Thanks for that. I am thinking the deep lead keel is too restrictive when other options are available. Shame because the shallower options are cast iron not lead and of course won't sail as well.

Anyway upgrading was just a thought brought on by too much time perusing yachthub.

cammd
QLD, 4272 posts
29 Jul 2022 9:47AM
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julesmoto said..

Cisco said ....I would not be shy of the 2.4 m draught. Will still get through the Great Sandy Straits



Just wondering what you would consider a prohibitive draught for the Great Sandy Straits?

Looked at a Beneteau first 47.7 the other day which draws 2.8.


Just having a sticky beak at Yachthub to see what is about, the quality of the fit out of the 2001 First 47.7 vs the 2011 First 45 looks to be chalk and cheese on the photo's, for 150K less I would be more interested in the older boat, look like a far better quality build.

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
29 Jul 2022 3:09PM
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julesmoto said..




Cisco said ....I would not be shy of the 2.4 m draught. Will still get through the Great Sandy Straits






Just wondering what you would consider a prohibitive draught for the Great Sandy Straits?

Looked at a Beneteau first 47.7 the other day which draws 2.8.





Just having a sticky beak at Yachthub to see what is about, the quality of the fit out of the 2001 First 47.7 vs the 2011 First 45 looks to be chalk and cheese on the photo's, for 150K less I would be more interested in the older boat, look like a far better quality build.




Yes it certainly seems like good value. A few have had the teak deck removed and would be good to find one like this. I've never really been on a yacht this big and was a bit dubious about my ability to single hand it and of course also the cost of new sails and new rig when the time comes.

Meanwhile I finally bit the bullet and have had a mooring application on Pittwater approved so I am contemplating with fear and trepidation how I am going to get my Northshore 38 which draws nearly 2.1 out of Lake Macquarie which only has about 1.5 clearance at Swansea Channel at the moment.

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
30 Jul 2022 8:45PM
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Probably because it doesn't include a trailer.

Mike367
VIC, 150 posts
31 Jul 2022 1:49PM
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Hi all
I'm thinking of taking a closer look at this Swanson 27. Anyone know much about them? The main point is an enclosed head for my wife, adult daughter, and guests.

Cheers
Mike

www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1980-swanson-27/SSE-AD-13120947/?Cr=4

Bushdog
SA, 312 posts
31 Jul 2022 2:26PM
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Mike367 said..
Hi all
I'm thinking of taking a closer look at this Swanson 27. Anyone know much about them? The main point is an enclosed head for my wife, adult daughter, and guests.

Cheers
Mike

www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1980-swanson-27/SSE-AD-13120947/?Cr=4


Haven't heard of a bad Swanson design:) the add has little info so impossible to identify age of rigging (<10 yrs old needed for insurance), condition of thru hull fittings, rudder bearings, last antifoul, bilge pump system and more. Sails look ok, motor is older Yanmar. it really needs a survey to identify issues.

Ramona
NSW, 7722 posts
31 Jul 2022 5:23PM
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Mike367 said..
Hi all
I'm thinking of taking a closer look at this Swanson 27. Anyone know much about them? The main point is an enclosed head for my wife, adult daughter, and guests.

Cheers
Mike

www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1980-swanson-27/SSE-AD-13120947/?Cr=4


Nice looking little yacht. Well fitted out and pretty good value for money. Only fault I can see is plastic hoses in the engine bay need changing to rubber. The head might be a little cramped for the wife. I would make sure she is present when you view this one. There is a wealth of info on the Swansons online. More than 50% are either from kits or the plugs were hired so the quality of the fit-out can vary. This one looks nice.

r13
NSW, 1712 posts
31 Jul 2022 6:31PM
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See prior Swanson 27 post here with presumably useful information.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Sailing/General/Swanson-27-Incredibly-Tough-Yacht

That specific yacht answers the "cruising cabin" dilemma - have never seen one with that cabin only the bubble type behind the mast. The cruising cabin obviously heaps better as regards interior. Certainly agree that one looks tops. Assume and trust it is tiller steered not wheel. Good photos.

Mike367
VIC, 150 posts
2 Aug 2022 5:00PM
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Mike367 said..
Hi all
I'm thinking of taking a closer look at this Swanson 27. Anyone know much about them? The main point is an enclosed head for my wife, adult daughter, and guests.

Cheers
Mike

www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1980-swanson-27/SSE-AD-13120947/?Cr=4


Nice looking little yacht. Well fitted out and pretty good value for money. Only fault I can see is plastic hoses in the engine bay need changing to rubber. The head might be a little cramped for the wife. I would make sure she is present when you view this one. There is a wealth of info on the Swansons online. More than 50% are either from kits or the plugs were hired so the quality of the fit-out can vary. This one looks nice.


Thank you for the information, by kits do you mean that up to half of them could have been built by back yard Charlies?

Rubber hoses will be high on the to do list.

I hope to have a look at it on the weekend, with my wife (hopefully).

Mike.

Mike367
VIC, 150 posts
2 Aug 2022 5:02PM
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Mike367 said..
Hi all
I'm thinking of taking a closer look at this Swanson 27. Anyone know much about them? The main point is an enclosed head for my wife, adult daughter, and guests.

Cheers
Mike

www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1980-swanson-27/SSE-AD-13120947/?Cr=4


Haven't heard of a bad Swanson design:) the add has little info so impossible to identify age of rigging (<10 yrs old needed for insurance), condition of thru hull fittings, rudder bearings, last antifoul, bilge pump system and more. Sails look ok, motor is older Yanmar. it really needs a survey to identify issues.


Thanks, a survey is a good idea, I'll look into it.

Mike367
VIC, 150 posts
2 Aug 2022 5:08PM
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r13 said..
See prior Swanson 27 post here with presumably useful information.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Sailing/General/Swanson-27-Incredibly-Tough-Yacht

That specific yacht answers the "cruising cabin" dilemma - have never seen one with that cabin only the bubble type behind the mast. The cruising cabin obviously heaps better as regards interior. Certainly agree that one looks tops. Assume and trust it is tiller steered not wheel. Good photos.


Thanks for the link.

Seems a Swanson is a good boat, if built well and I guess if she has survived this long she must be fairly well built. Would this one have glass decks or glass over ply?

Anything I should pay close attention to when I inspect her?

Cheers,

Mike

Ramona
NSW, 7722 posts
2 Aug 2022 6:14PM
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Thank you for the information, by kits do you mean that up to half of them could have been built by back yard Charlies?

Rubber hoses will be high on the to do list.

I hope to have a look at it on the weekend, with my wife (hopefully).

Mike.


Very few Swansons were full factory fit outs. There were a lot sold as hull and deck kits but at the same time you could hire the moulds and do the layup yourself. This was done under supervision. A friend of mine in the 1970's hired the moulds for the 42, he and his offsider spent their fortnight winter leave laying up the hull and the cabin/cockpit moulds.

r13
NSW, 1712 posts
2 Aug 2022 7:15PM
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No problem at all.

In the prior post link I attached as above Ramona suggested that the deck would be glass over ply - I don't know what it is. These cruising cabin yachts were built in Melbourne as distinct from the NSW built bubble cabin yachts. The location advice is nothing to do with what the deck scantlings are or overall build quality just to note the difference in the 2 cabin type builders. Probably the current owner would know or it could maybe become apparent at inspections of hatch cutouts etc. if the deck is solid it should be ok whatever it is - check for gelcoat crazing.

There are numerous checklists on line - eg this one which is too wordy but useful.

www.practical-sailor.com/sailboat-reviews/used_sailboats/diy-survey-checklist-for-used-boat-buying

For a quick checklist when you are on board this might be a guide; hopefully is of use. Obviously if some of these issues show up it is not a show stopper unless bad - a 1980 yacht. But you don't want to purchase something with bad structural issues or considerable $ rectification issues. As above an on the slips survey is recommended by a relevant certified surveyor and probably needed for insurance.

Rego cert and HIN number available for proof of ownership? I am not sure if Vic red tape is same as NSW red tape
Walk around deck, cabin top and cockpit - no spongy areas or weaknesses, not too may gelcoat crazes, no rust stains at fittings which would indicate rusted fasteners. Windows and hatches leaking?
Hull topsides - no damage or gelcoat crazes which is evidence of damage and collisions? Waterline area bubbles evidence of osmosis
Pulpit, stanchions and pushpit, lifelines ok?
Mast and standing rigging - see checklist below I got from somewhere which is sound. How old is standing rigging and is it rust free? Is forestay at deck level straight or bent due to a crash with a wharf? Forestay fitting no weld cracks, straight? No bolt corrosion marks? Look up the mainsail track of the mast from the tack close to the mast aft side - is it straight? CorrosionX scrubbed onto standing rigging and turnbuckles with scotchbrite also sprayed into turnbuckles works very well as a quarterly service action but won't extend the service life which is 10years as per most insurance companies. Any rust stains around chainplate bolts? I can't see if the chainplates are flat bar or u-bolts - see attached 2 photos of rust stains about one of my u bolts for stbd fwd lower - will be renewed very soon. There are deck gelcoat cracks obvious there due to the tensile stresses in the upper surface of the deck - will have to check how deep they are - if just in gelcoat it is possibly ok if it is into the deck laminate then will have to grind flush the deck, epoxy glue fill the gouged out cracks and add suitable glass laminate over the top. The underside deck head has no cracks as under compression. U bolts are not ideal for chain plates, especially without suitable structure under the deck to hull corner as evidenced here.
Diesel and gbx, coupling, shaft and flange, A or P bracket - probably will need new exhaust elbow and water pump, oil filter and air filter, maybe belts, fuel tank emptied and cleaned, descaling of water passages with Rydlyme - check it starts, pumps out water, goes smoothly and easily into fwd and reverse ok as well as holds neutral. Check has separate fuel/water separator not just usual fuel filter - easy to fit a Cav Delphi or Ryco. No engine or gbx oil leaks?
Electrics and comms - nav lights, interior, diesel starter, 2 batteries? radio, depth sounder all working? Anchor light or mhead light? easy to replace.
Interior - expect the normal tidy up and re-varnish but if bulkheads are spongy or deck head is sagging structurally then be wary. All skin fittings and sea cocks ok? Hopefully bronze, they open and close ok. Double utilux clamped hoses. Teak plugs tied or elec taped to them nearby.
Rudder stock slop? Tiller ok and not rotted? Tiller head aft end fitting bolted to rudder stock top ok? No cracks?
Running rigging ok? New ropes not a showstopper. Are all halyards there - main, jib, kite, topping lift for kite pole.
Sails - condition looks average in the photos as expected so fine no big deal - used sail replacements come up regularly, Tony Bull down there will give a good price for new ones.
Keel bolts - as per prior post the keel is a moulded grp stub then the ballast bolted into it - raise floorboards and check top of keel bolt nuts and washers, no damage or rust.
Anchor and chain/warp - ok or rusted out?
Bow roller
Kite pole on board
Life jackets
Does it have cat7 safety - easy to implement
Toerail damage from crashes? Deck to hull joint ok?
Sand in lockers as evidence of being beached? Again not a show stopper per se as long as all else with hull and keel was ok - I bought a Santana 22 with such evidence I found and the seller acknowledged the event when I pointed it out which occurred after mooring or deck hardware failure.
Probably other issues can be listed...............once on board after you do a good initial overall visual from rowing out to inspect you will get a feel if the boat is solid and been reasonably maintained - as above there will inherently be numerous issues you will find but they may not be major depending on what they are............if you want to send me photos of any inspections feel free but only so much can be gleaned from photos..........rust around fasteners, bad gelcoat crazing or cracked through grp laminates or ply bulkhead to hull and deckhead joints are real concerns, as are smashed toerails, bent masts, rusted top of keel bolts and nuts, hull pans under diesels full of oil, diesel exhausts not suitable, holes in water pumps.............















julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
4 Aug 2022 6:37PM
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Interesting keel on this one!
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/martin-50/280700

Gravy7
NSW, 242 posts
19 Aug 2022 4:55PM
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Sorry to see this lovely yacht will be disappearing from our twilight fleet. A great King design, well maintained and a handy size.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/king-custom-club-racer/281260

Ramona
NSW, 7722 posts
19 Aug 2022 5:41PM
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Gravy7 said..
Sorry to see this lovely yacht will be disappearing from our twilight fleet. A great King design, well maintained and a handy size.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/king-custom-club-racer/281260



Lovely yacht. I had intended to buy this yacht about 15 years ago but was held up with the cash for the sale of my business. To rub salt into the wound it was bought by a local bloke so I had to see it everyday! Had a white hull when it first arrived which later changed to navy blue. Much better light blue but she looked best in white. Beautiful interior. When it was here it's mooring was alongside one of the locally built Jarkans which were the same design but all "glass.

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
19 Aug 2022 6:35PM
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Anyone know anything about these? I have never heard of them but apparently they have been building boats for quite a while. This one seems a little pricey especially for old rigging. The blurb doesn't say much and it is on the hard.

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/alubat-ovni-435/281250

Ramona
NSW, 7722 posts
19 Aug 2022 7:05PM
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julesmoto said..
Anyone know anything about these? I have never heard of them but apparently they have been building boats for quite a while. This one seems a little pricey especially for old rigging. The blurb doesn't say much and it is on the hard.

www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/alubat-ovni-435/281250


Saw a few at Noumea.



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