Select to expand quoteMike367 said..
What do you good people think of this as a coastal cruiser and perhaps even further?
She appeals to me but the lack of interior photos is a concern.
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1977-endeavour-24/SSE-AD-7467033/?Cr=3
Cheers
There is not much to see in an Endeavour 24 interior because they are short on accommodation. I owned a mark 2 in the 1970s with a Volvo outboard in the outboard well. They sail well but don't have a "groove" because of the overbalanced rudder as r13 mentioned. This particular example is in good nick with an inboard diesel and good sails. I agree with r13 the 26 would be a better boat and there are usually plenty about for less money.
Select to expand quoteMike367 said..
What do you good people think of this as a coastal cruiser and perhaps even further?
No knowledge of the Endeavor, it seems to be a tidy small boat with inboard diesel which is not all that common. I would think you could do better for coastal cruising. The Tophat you mention above seems to be in OK shape and has had some recent upgrades with new main and rigging only 3 years ago. Be interesting to see what the owner was planning to do and why he went with another boat that was already upgraded more.
Or something like this? www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1283038466
Both a bit pricier than the Endeavor but the running costs would be pretty much the same and both a bit more ocean focused. I think there are those here who know both these designs well who could probably give you a good idea on their suitability and value.
Select to expand quoteDrogueOne said..Mike367 said..
What do you good people think of this as a coastal cruiser and perhaps even further?
No knowledge of the Endeavor, it seems to be a tidy small boat with inboard diesel which is not all that common. I would think you could do better for coastal cruising. The Tophat you mention above seems to be in OK shape and has had some recent upgrades with new main and rigging only 3 years ago. Be interesting to see what the owner was planning to do and why he went with another boat that was already upgraded more.
Or something like this? www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1283038466
Both a bit pricier than the Endeavor but the running costs would be pretty much the same and both a bit more ocean focused. I think there are those here who know both these designs well who could probably give you a good idea on their suitability and value.
I passed on a couple of Endeavors, mostly because of condition. The 24 is just a little more cramped than what I eventually settled on, a Top Hat. My main reasons for the Top Hat were, price and seaworthiness. There are two that have done well documented world circumnavigations, albeit some years ago now. Google Jamie Mitchell and Possibilities and his parents Ian and Jan Mitchell in Caprice. Both interesting accounts of sailing the world in 25 footers. Apart from that, the Endeavor 24 and 26 are well built, as were most of the 70/80s fibreglass boats that came out of Formit (Top Hats) Gardner's (Endeavor) and Swansons etc.
In the end, I just went for what "felt good" in my gut.... we've had ours for 12 years now, and whilst she's nowhere near as pretty as that Endeavor, she's good and solid.
Enjoy the hunt!
Select to expand quoteDrogueOne said..Mike367 said..
What do you good people think of this as a coastal cruiser and perhaps even further?
No knowledge of the Endeavor, it seems to be a tidy small boat with inboard diesel which is not all that common. I would think you could do better for coastal cruising. The Tophat you mention above seems to be in OK shape and has had some recent upgrades with new main and rigging only 3 years ago. Be interesting to see what the owner was planning to do and why he went with another boat that was already upgraded more.
Or something like this? www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1283038466
Both a bit pricier than the Endeavor but the running costs would be pretty much the same and both a bit more ocean focused. I think there are those here who know both these designs well who could probably give you a good idea on their suitability and value.
The Swanson 27 is certainly a good boat. The one in the link above is supposedly 1981 build - this seems a bit late but may be valid. The photo on the slips doesn't seem to include a rudder but I might be missing something.........there is no cockpit photo showing the rudder stock and tiller either. Would trust it is included in the sale and the seller has overlooked commenting on the slip photos to clarify this.
Here is another one 1971 build;
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1971-swanson-27/SSE-AD-7264144/?Cr=0
They did well in JOG racing back in the day when they first came out and I thought there was a post on here regarding the exploits of one but can't find it now. Thought I also read somewhere that one of them sailed in the 1/2 ton cup one year but can't find that now either so might be dreaming.
Apparently the mold went to Melbourne after the initial build batch and the bubble cabin was changed to a "cruising" cabin which is presumably longer but I can't find a photo of one.
Must say it is amazing the number of people in posts here who have looked at Tophats and tried to find a better yacht for their needs - as in value and suitability, obviously numerous other issues, who come back to the TH and buy one. I might buy one down the track to see me out as yacht refurb number 14 and the last.................getting closer to 70 than 65 now and cripes that sounds old..................where has all the time gone.........
Fibreglass Daydream.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/belmont/sail-boats/free-to-a-good-home/1284287301
SS34 for 20 grand in an estate sale. Get in quick!
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/beaconsfield/sail-boats/s-s-34-yacht/1284249818
Good value Duncanson.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ourimbah/sail-boats/duncanson-36-foot-yacht/1284230286
Now that overseas travel is back we may see a lot of good buys! The market for small yachts will stall.
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Good value Duncanson.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ourimbah/sail-boats/duncanson-36-foot-yacht/1284230286
Now that overseas travel is back we may see a lot of good buys! The market for small yachts will stall.
Might need to give it 18 months until all the people that have bought them and aren't dedicated sailors have realised that the maintenance headaches outweigh the enjoyment or scared themselves (or the wife) in more than 20 knots of breeze plus it becomes easier to travel without expensive covid tests at each junction...
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..Ramona said..
Good value Duncanson.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ourimbah/sail-boats/duncanson-36-foot-yacht/1284230286
Now that overseas travel is back we may see a lot of good buys! The market for small yachts will stall.
Might need to give it 18 months until all the people that have bought them and aren't dedicated sailors have realised that the maintenance headaches outweigh the enjoyment or scared themselves (or the wife) in more than 20 knots of breeze plus it becomes easier to travel without expensive covid tests at each junction...
Na, I'll give odds on that Ramona is right, IF overseas travel commences, prices will fall to at least if not more than pre COVID $
Select to expand quotewoko said..julesmoto said..Ramona said..
Good value Duncanson.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ourimbah/sail-boats/duncanson-36-foot-yacht/1284230286
Now that overseas travel is back we may see a lot of good buys! The market for small yachts will stall.
Might need to give it 18 months until all the people that have bought them and aren't dedicated sailors have realised that the maintenance headaches outweigh the enjoyment or scared themselves (or the wife) in more than 20 knots of breeze plus it becomes easier to travel without expensive covid tests at each junction...
Na, I'll give odds on that Ramona is right, IF overseas travel commences, prices will fall to at least if not more than pre COVID $
Perhaps. Meanwhile large cat manufacturers like Outremer are now quoting 2026! delivery.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..Ramona said..
Good value Duncanson.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/ourimbah/sail-boats/duncanson-36-foot-yacht/1284230286
Now that overseas travel is back we may see a lot of good buys! The market for small yachts will stall.
Might need to give it 18 months until all the people that have bought them and aren't dedicated sailors have realised that the maintenance headaches outweigh the enjoyment or scared themselves (or the wife) in more than 20 knots of breeze plus it becomes easier to travel without expensive covid tests at each junction...
I would have been concerned about the teak deck but it sold in less than 24 hours!
Select to expand quoteDrogueOne said..Mike367 said..
What do you good people think of this as a coastal cruiser and perhaps even further?
No knowledge of the Endeavor, it seems to be a tidy small boat with inboard diesel which is not all that common. I would think you could do better for coastal cruising. The Tophat you mention above seems to be in OK shape and has had some recent upgrades with new main and rigging only 3 years ago. Be interesting to see what the owner was planning to do and why he went with another boat that was already upgraded more.
Or something like this? www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/1283038466
Both a bit pricier than the Endeavor but the running costs would be pretty much the same and both a bit more ocean focused. I think there are those here who know both these designs well who could probably give you a good idea on their suitability and value.
The owner of the mentioned TH is a chap called Matt, who I believe wants to buy Blue Moon, which is a TH with a modified junk rig.
Now the thing is I'd also like Blue Moon, but Matt got in first.
Graham the owner of Blue Moon want to buy another boat. I'm guessing here, But I think Graham has to sell Blue Moon before he buys his next boat and Matt has to sell his TH before he buys Blue Moon. So there is a bit of a chain happening and will be interesting to see how it turns out.
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Must say it is amazing the number of people in posts here who have looked at Tophats and tried to find a better yacht for their needs - as in value and suitability, obviously numerous other issues, who come back to the TH and buy one. I might buy one down the track to see me out as yacht refurb number 14 and the last.................getting closer to 70 than 65 now and cripes that sounds old..................where has all the time gone.........
r13 you may be right, I keep looking and coming back to Top Hats.
Posting this 27 foot Daydream again. These are seaworthy boats that have made ocean crossings. This one is a fibreglass version. Most are plywood. Comes with a mooring. All for $10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/belmont/sail-boats/free-to-a-good-home/1284287301
I'm even tempted by this Sorceror in WA. These are built by the same crowd that gave us the Red Witch. About the same speed but are a much classier looking vessel.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mandurah/sail-boats/yacht-sorcerer-6-35m/1282882277
There has been a price drop on this project. Some one needs to step up and save her. Looks like she needs a rudder. All easy stuff.
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/cronulla/sail-boats/farr-1-2-tonner-farr-30-farr-yacht-/1280514687
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lemon-tree-passage/sail-boats/yacht/1284868947
Some potential here maybe? ..bit concerning there's no internal photos. I wish had time (kids ...).
Never heard of a Nicholson 32 but they have a nice full keel look. Almost like a roomy folkboat.
Select to expand quoteDanNotStan said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lemon-tree-passage/sail-boats/yacht/1284868947
Some potential here maybe? ..bit concerning there's no internal photos. I wish had time (kids ...).
Never heard of a Nicholson 32 but they have a nice full keel look. Almost like a roomy folkboat.
Classic British quality cruising yacht. Pity it was neglected.
Select to expand quoteYara said..DanNotStan said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lemon-tree-passage/sail-boats/yacht/1284868947
Some potential here maybe? ..bit concerning there's no internal photos. I wish had time (kids ...).
Never heard of a Nicholson 32 but they have a nice full keel look. Almost like a roomy folkboat.
Classic British quality cruising yacht. Pity it was neglected.
"no one is aloud in the hard stand area." Does that mean the hard stand area is reserved for people who are are very, very quiet?
Select to expand quoteDanNotStan said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lemon-tree-passage/sail-boats/yacht/1284868947
Some potential here maybe? ..bit concerning there's no internal photos. I wish had time (kids ...).
Never heard of a Nicholson 32 but they have a nice full keel look. Almost like a roomy folkboat.
There are a lot of them in Australia, some were built here as well. They are one of the fastest full keel yachts about. They are also one of the yacht types that can be used as entrants in the Golden globe around the world race. One of our forum members owns one up in Townsville and I was fortunate to inspect it when it was for sale in Sydney some time ago.
This particular one is unusual having a laid deck like that and it is one area that needs careful inspection though from the photos it looks excellent. The rest of the exterior would clean up easily with Metal Gleam and a half hour of scrubbing. It has the same layout on the foredeck for the anchor well as the Mk1's and looking at the quality of the fittings I would say this is one of the nicer ones at one stage. I would say the sails are likely to be stained. The motor been under freshwater might be a problem and the interior is going to have some crook timber but it is still a really nice boat under the grime.
Certainly some good deals around even though this one has just gone
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Select to expand quoteDanNotStan said..
www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lemon-tree-passage/sail-boats/yacht/1284868947
Some potential here maybe? ..bit concerning there's no internal photos. I wish had time (kids ...).
Never heard of a Nicholson 32 but they have a nice full keel look. Almost like a roomy folkboat.
Nicely shaped hull.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..
Certainly some good deals around even though this one has just gone
www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/328596838620359/?ref=facebook_story_share
Lovely boat. Someone did well!
yes, more intetesting boats coming onto the market.
This Peterson 38 looks pretty good to me. Sailboatdata says only 8 built, thinking that they were only counting those built in USA. I like a nice cold moulded hull.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/peterson-38/269648
Select to expand quoteDrogueOne said..
yes, more intetesting boats coming onto the market.
This Peterson 38 looks pretty good to me. Sailboatdata says only 8 built, thinking that they were only counting those built in USA. I like a nice cold moulded hull.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/peterson-38/269648
Backstay runners! Nice boat though if you have a good crew.
This is something special.
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1964-alan-payne-custom/OAG-AD-20039059/?Cr=0>s=OAG-AD-20039059>sSaleId=OAG-AD-20039059>sViewType=topspot&rankingType=topspot
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Something special is somewhat of an understatement, though it would require very regular maintenance. 
Triton 28 has been mentioned in the past - here is a top shelf example including lead keel;
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1974-triton-28/OAG-AD-20335026/?Cr=2
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Triton 28 has been mentioned in the past - here is a top shelf example including lead keel;
www.boatsales.com.au/boats/details/1974-triton-28/OAG-AD-20335026/?Cr=2
That's a lot of money for a 28 footer that has obviously been a club racer. For the average user it's going to need a furling headsail plus the mainsail converted to slugs and an easy to use stackpack and lazy jacks.
