Select to expand quoteYara said..Ramona said..Andrew68 said..
Here is another S&S 39.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/sparkman-stephens-39/230425
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Lovely boat. Good to see boats this size with no anchor winch and a decent anchor well. Perkins a bonus. Some of the timber interior is a bit different! Needs the reefing lines back to the cockpit and an electric mainsail halyard winch on the rear of the cabin but I could live with it.
Good to see boats this size with no anchor winch and a decent anchor well. Why is that good? To me it says the boat was never cruised short handed. Could also be that the design is difficult to fit an anchor winch which can be arranged to properly feed the chain into a locker.
Looks like there was an anchor winch at sometime,,,
Select to expand quoteYara said..Ramona said..
Good to see boats this size with no anchor winch and a decent anchor well. Why is that good? To me it says the boat was never cruised short handed. Could also be that the design is difficult to fit an anchor winch which can be arranged to properly feed the chain into a locker.
It would swing happily on my mooring with out having to worry about the anchor slicing through the mooring riser! Also my expensive anchor would be out of sight. When I'm too old to haul in an anchor and warp for a 40 footer by hand I'll be retiring from sailing.
This particular boat looks to have been kept in a marina going by the deck cleats. The mainsail reefing set up would need 3 or 4 burly crew to drop in a reef. Lot required to make this into a shorthanded offshore vessel.
That be she but her real name is ENVY II.
No longer on the Aus Register of Ships as ENVY II or Lady Katherine apparently.
When I had her she was 2C survey 6+2 200 nm offshore or place of safe haven and 1D survey 16+2 sail training, partially smooth waters.
I bought her for $75k in 1992 maybe and sold her in 2000-2001 for $110k without the marine parks permit which I later sold for $27k.
So at a gross profit of $62k I can assure all and sundry here that the financials were a disaster but the sailing gains were tremendous which happened on a few occasions totalling maybe 36 hours.
Hooting across the Whitsunday Passage with full main and a flat cut tri-radial with the pole an inch off the forestay at 12 knots with the dirtiest bottom you could imagine confirmed for me that Doug Peterson knew what he was doing when he designed yachts.
One thing is for certain here. This yacht, 37 years after being built, is a living testimony to the longevity of properly built aluminium yachts.
The original owner/builder drove her onto Bramston Reef out of Bowen at 8 knots and she bounced off with just a few scratches.
I would own her again but she is more yacht than I want. If anybody wants a ball tear yacht to sail around the world, ENVY II is up to the job.
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That be she but her real name is ENVY II.
No longer on the Aus Register of Ships as ENVY II or Lady Katherine apparently.
Out on my mates alloy Cole 43 yesterday and I was struck by the similarities in the fitouts, particularly in the galley area/ engine cover etc. Do you know who built Envy 2?
Do such yachts (alloy or steel ) have the provision in their fitout design to access all areas of the hull to check for rust/corrosion etc ??.
Select to expand quotecisco said..
That be she but her real name is ENVY II.
No longer on the Aus Register of Ships as ENVY II or Lady Katherine apparently.
When I had her she was 2C survey 6+2 200 nm offshore or place of safe haven and 1D survey 16+2 sail training, partially smooth waters.
I bought her for $75k in 1992 maybe and sold her in 2000-2001 for $110k without the marine parks permit which I later sold for $27k.
So at a gross profit of $62k I can assure all and sundry here that the financials were a disaster but the sailing gains were tremendous which happened on a few occasions totalling maybe 36 hours.
Hooting across the Whitsunday Passage with full main and a flat cut tri-radial with the pole an inch off the forestay at 12 knots with the dirtiest bottom you could imagine confirmed for me that Doug Peterson knew what he was doing when he designed yachts.
One thing is for certain here. This yacht, 37 years after being built, is a living testimony to the longevity of properly built aluminium yachts.
The original owner/builder drove her onto Bramston Reef out of Bowen at 8 knots and she bounced off with just a few scratches.
I would own her again but she is more yacht than I want. If anybody wants a ball tear yacht to sail around the world, ENVY II is up to the job.
As mostly a lurker, I do enjoy your posts Cisco. For some reason when reading your posts, I imagine Richard Ayoade's (of Travel man, The IT Crowd and Gadget Man fame) voice.
ENVY II was owner built by Mel Hewitt an ex federal copper in close collaboration with Reg Brost who was a superb steel boat builder of mainly Adams 35s and 28s.
She was built in 1982 at the old Evans Deacon dry dock yard at Kangaroo Point, Brisbane. After Envy was built Reg declared he would no longer build in steel, only aluminium. I am with him and would not own another steel boat.
Yes Sam, generally all parts of a metal hull are accessible.
Hello mates,
I decided to buy a boat for my 2 year expedition (newcal, fiji and than poly). I did quite a research and at last I found the boat that I think would do the job best for me:
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/beneteau-47-7-cruiser/227957
does anyone had any pros/cons about the beneteaus as boats in general (or better for this particular model) and what do you think about the price? I know it is quite a general question, but I have to start with something:)
I like it because it has tons of equipment and new rig and sails... so I think that my investment would be minimal to get her goin...
My experience,
The traveller and large wheel, and cockpit table is going to be a pain. I do like to use a traveller but Climbing over it every time you want to get to the wheel is going to wear your energy supply down. Also if it has a cast iron keel it's worth getting it inspected before purchased by a good approved marine surveyor.
you don't want a cast iron bolt on like the 2 year old dufour pictured below.
Hi southface,
Keel is cast lead and has stainless bolts so I don't worry about that (I think all firts has that...). It is true about the cockpit entering but I really like that the traveler is on the back and also more important for me, that the boom is mounted ti the sheet at the back of the boom. I broke the boom on the bavaria 46 at accidental gybe in the med and I am certain that this happened since boom was mounted almost at the halfway (this is just from my bad experience and probably is not a general rule).
Maybe, when I am on the anchorage for more days, I just remove the wheel and put it away and whilst on the passage, autopilot will do his job... till it breaks
Looks a long way from what Crowther would have penned, those outboards are far too much weight aft.
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Hi southface,
Keel is cast lead and has stainless bolts so I don't worry about that (I think all firts has that...). It is true about the cockpit entering but I really like that the traveler is on the back and also more important for me, that the boom is mounted ti the sheet at the back of the boom. I broke the boom on the bavaria 46 at accidental gybe in the med and I am certain that this happened since boom was mounted almost at the halfway (this is just from my bad experience and probably is not a general rule).
Maybe, when I am on the anchorage for more days, I just remove the wheel and put it away and whilst on the passage, autopilot will do his job... till it breaks
One of the issues with that arrangement is the very high likelihood the mainsheet falls will take out the instrument stand in a less than perfectly executed gybe.
I agree with your issues about mid boom sheeting, but unfortunately there is no perfect answer. Broken legs can be a big danger with end boom (cockpit traveler) ones too; although this one looks fairly good from that perspective. Climbing past the wheel and traveler is an absolute pain; but you get (reluctantly) used to it.
Select to expand quotesailormate said..
Hi southface,
Keel is cast lead and has stainless bolts so I don't worry about that (I think all firts has that...). It is true about the cockpit entering but I really like that the traveler is on the back and also more important for me, that the boom is mounted ti the sheet at the back of the boom. I broke the boom on the bavaria 46 at accidental gybe in the med and I am certain that this happened since boom was mounted almost at the halfway (this is just from my bad experience and probably is not a general rule).
Maybe, when I am on the anchorage for more days, I just remove the wheel and put it away and whilst on the passage, autopilot will do his job... till it breaks
I would still worry about the stainless steel bolts and crevice corrosion. That damn crevice corrosion is the biggest problem with many areas of use of stainless steel, also in the rigging and rigging fittings. Happens in industry too. Customer last week sent me photo of a water tank with a neat 5c size hole punched through a corner of his stainless steel tank. Dirt got in to the tank, and away went the crevice corrosion.
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Why not just call it an S&S Deb 33?
whats it gonna be next, S&S 34/Hartley rorc 32 ?
There are a lot of production S&S designs made in large numbers in Europe and the USA. The S&S 34 as we know it, mainly the Swarbick Australian version is quite small in numbers in comparison. The Australian S&S34's are heavier versions of the English S&S34's which in turn are production versions of an earlier S&S racing design from the mid sixties. Edward Heath brought the S&S 34 to our attention when he won the 1969 Sydney Hobart with one of the early Aquafibre hulls from the molds.
There are also S&S 34 versions of the S&S 36 with a fractional rigs and runners that look different again! The hulls are much different.
Select to expand quoteRamona said..stray said..
Why not just call it an S&S Deb 33?
whats it gonna be next, S&S 34/Hartley rorc 32 ?
There are a lot of production S&S designs made in large numbers in Europe and the USA. The S&S 34 as we know it, mainly the Swarbick Australian version is quite small in numbers in comparison. The Australian S&S34's are heavier versions of the English S&S34's which in turn are production versions of an earlier S&S racing design from the mid sixties. Edward Heath brought the S&S 34 to our attention when he won the 1969 Sydney Hobart with one of the early Aquafibre hulls from the molds.
There are also S&S 34 versions of the S&S 36 with a fractional rigs and runners that look different again! The hulls are much different.
I think I saw a list of the Australian S$S 34's with their name and production date somewhere?
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I think I saw a list of the Australian S$S 34's with their name and production date somewhere?
Morningbird is heavily involved with this lot.
www.ss34.org/
I know some of you may not find this interesting... but I sure do. Interested in thoughts about this boat? They seem pretty popular in the charter circles... For some ex-charter boats are a turnoff but I do like the twin wheels giving easy circulation of humans around the cockpit.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-40/218402
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I know some of you may not find this interesting... but I sure do. Interested in thoughts about this boat? They seem pretty popular in the charter circles... For some ex-charter boats are a turnoff but I do like the twin wheels giving easy circulation of humans around the cockpit.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-40/218402
I like it. Nice looking boat. Hundred grand boat with a rusty CQR! Videos are good for selling boats and they were smart not to show the anchor well.
Select to expand quoteFelixdeCat said..
I know some of you may not find this interesting... but I sure do. Interested in thoughts about this boat? They seem pretty popular in the charter circles... For some ex-charter boats are a turnoff but I do like the twin wheels giving easy circulation of humans around the cockpit.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-40/218402
pets and aliens could circulate around that cockpit as well !!
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/van-de-stadt-34/230593
Pity, it's not over 'ere.
My mate has his Elliott 780 for sale if anyone is after a racer https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/geeveston/sail-boats/yacht-sports-boat/1213553021
Regards Don
Select to expand quoteFelixdeCat said..
I know some of you may not find this interesting... but I sure do. Interested in thoughts about this boat? They seem pretty popular in the charter circles... For some ex-charter boats are a turnoff but I do like the twin wheels giving easy circulation of humans around the cockpit.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-sun-odyssey-40/218402
I like them Felix, if they come down a tad in price that's good buying.
Lot of boat for the money. I always thought they were built by Duncansons.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/skania-32-sloop/231099
There will be huge drops and lots of bargains this year and next I reckon.Only problem is selling the one you've got or having a fleet!
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/hunter-240/231181
I find it strange how they come in groups. Check out the number of Farr 37's on the market and how cheap they are getting.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/farr-37/231103
In the day sailer lineup there are two Tempests on Gumtree. Really good buys but how many were ever imported to Australia? Tempests were an Olympic class awhile back.
