^^ Yup, he's teaching the next crop of kiters who will inevitably lead to the bans
Select to expand quoteRPM said..
But I don't think WAKSA should be involved as they have more pressing priorities such as..... ????
Well,
WAKSA is very busy 'saving' the beaches.
And when it's not giving away the real estate,
it's telegraphing to the whole goddamn world about all the lovely kite spots in WA.
You see, WAKSA is addicted to crowdkiting.
I love the contrast of Seabreeze with the industry trying to "raise the profile" of the sport and the local guys just getting frustrated with the ever growing crowds.
I expected this sport to go the way of windsurfing and hit a peak. Any day now. Still waiting..
This topic is funny. A bloke suggested licensing, and got slammed...... the red thumbs alone shows it.
Then other people say it would be better to have licensing than bans. And get thumbs up. Weird/
Anyway, you don't need licensing.
It can't be that hard a sport if you have time to touch yourself erotically as you do it.....
Greenarrowz said..
On the other hand, don't make the test too hard, the amount of times we see kite questions in Shooting the Breeze, or Windsurf forum, would be comical if it wasn't so sad, and the use of "kiteing" in many posts well hmmmmmmmmmm
It should be a serious discussion about how to keep our sport unregulated. Biking, surfing, kayaking, skateboarding, rock-climbing, skiing, snowboarding ... the list goes on, and on... all have similar risks to the user and public but are unlicenced. Licensing would be a stupid, expensive reaction to a normal everyday process of risk assesment and minimisation. Education and communication is all thats needed, not regulation and exclusion.
Select to expand quoteCal said..
Education and communication is all thats needed, not regulation and exclusion.
OK and how many years does it go on for.....?
We're up to about the 5th right of way thread in as many years, where half the folks refuse to accept there are actually rules.....
Sounds similar to pretty much everything else with people involved, licencing doesn't fix idiots, nore will it exclude them. Licensing will exclude the less frequent participants and the poorer. Signage to educate both kiters and the public on more of the heavily utilised beaches would be the single most effective solution. The plethera of friendly kiters helping others be better citizens is good but there will always be idiots regardless of a licence. There are already laws about dangerous conduct so let the authorities use those laws should push come to shove and more.
Licensing by itself is crap, we all know that.
Its the promise of forced education that comes with licensing, that is percieved as a solution.
This is also usually fallen short of its promise.
I can see Cooky has genuine concern, likely with very good reason.
And I think he's not alone. (Big call considering the red thumbs).
I would hate to have my rego due on my 13m edge, every 12 months.
But make no mistake. It is coming. The posters thread was about when is the right time.
To most, including myself the answer is never.
I lived in Darwin for 7 years, when there were no demerit points, speed limits, skippers tickets, even boat regos.
Most of thats changed now but it hasn't saved the dumb ones.
Most of my kiting education has come from this very forum, I've had to filter through a lot of crud.
RPM
Lofty winds
Waveslave
Its a shame kiters don't require an IQ test before heading into the water (or being left unsupervised on the internet).
For a good example of how useless and ineffective licensing is just head down to your local waterway and observe the retards on jet ski's.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said...
This topic is funny. A bloke suggested licensing, and got slammed...... the red thumbs alone shows it.
Then other people say it would be better to have licensing than bans. And get thumbs up. Weird/
Anyway, you don't need licensing.
It can't be that hard a sport if you have time to touch yourself erotically as you do it.....
Greenarrowz said..
On the other hand, don't make the test too hard, the amount of times we see kite questions in Shooting the Breeze, or Windsurf forum, would be comical if it wasn't so sad, and the use of "kiteing" in many posts well hmmmmmmmmmm
If you choose to look closer , the kiter in the pic is clearly adjusting her ipod or communication device,her hair is not wet and appears to be confident her earpeice will stay dry so maybe shes instructing.
In any case , kiting comes down to common sense
like riding a pushbike on our roads,which is not something licencing wil help.
Im sure if I was walking along the beach and
saw a kiter near the shore , Ide stand back and let them do their thing good or bad....and offer help if they needed it....just like a cyclist....
Ide like to know what cookys mate with the dog
said to the kiter that day .....
Some people will help their UncleJack ,
off the horse.....
And others will want a license to help
their uncle Jack off the horse...
Not sure about that idea but maybe compulsory to do learners safety course ,self rescue to stop
would be,s doing crazy stuff .
With the increase of great whites at the start of every season -- it will only take one attack to quell the numbers along the metro coast 
numbers were already down this season 
It would anger so many people if the sport was to become regulated. All the kiters not in country really don't need it. And for regulation to happen it'd be city kiters participating with maritime etc to enforce it. They couldn't come up with a system of licencing without us telling them how to test or what the skills are to train someone.
So if it does come up, we would just have to pull back and say its the vibe.. Kiting is a rhythm and cant be tested. Its only once some twat tells maritime what skills are needed that we would lose the battle.
^^^ NOT saying it needs to happen (licensing) but you are dreaming if you think they need to come up with a skill set to assess, or a test of any sort.
All they need to do is define "kitesurfing" and then require everyone to display a number on the kite so complaining people can refer to the number. Then charge $100 a year for the number and fine of $1K without a number on ya kite. Etc.
That would be very easy to implement.
But a bit like bans that many warned of a few years back and are now tried by councils everywhere, stick ya heads in the sand and ignore the muppets who can't understand port vs starboard and whine about how 'haters gonna hate' rather then acknowledge there are serious issues.
License no on your kite, I've always wanted to know what it's like to fly a kite above 7
Select to expand quoteGreenarrowz said...Mark _australia said...
This topic is funny. A bloke suggested licensing, and got slammed...... the red thumbs alone shows it.
Then other people say it would be better to have licensing than bans. And get thumbs up. Weird/
Anyway, you don't need licensing.
It can't be that hard a sport if you have time to touch yourself erotically as you do it.....
Greenarrowz said..
On the other hand, don't make the test too hard, the amount of times we see kite questions in Shooting the Breeze, or Windsurf forum, would be comical if it wasn't so sad, and the use of "kiteing" in many posts well hmmmmmmmmmm
If you choose to look closer , the kiter in the pic is clearly adjusting her ipod or communication device,her hair is not wet and appears to be confident her earpeice will stay dry so maybe shes instructing.
In any case , kiting comes down to common sense
like riding a pushbike on our roads,which is not something licencing wil help.
Im sure if I was walking along the beach and
saw a kiter near the shore , Ide stand back and let them do their thing good or bad....and offer help if they needed it....just like a cyclist....
Ide like to know what cookys mate with the dog
said to the kiter that day .....
Some people will help their UncleJack ,
off the horse.....
And others will want a license to help
their uncle Jack off the horse...
U looked closer at that picture and what you noticed was an earpiece? Wow
Pure and simple it'll never work, overseas visitors has been overlooked, more of a concern would be the influx of new test centres opening overnight,it'd be like the national insulation sceme I for one would give it the finger, geez this country is going to the dogs, just leave us alone
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
All they need to do is define "kitesurfing" and then require everyone to display a number on the kite so complaining people can refer to the number. Then charge $100 a year for the number and fine of $1K without a number on ya kite. Etc.
That would be very easy to implement.
But a bit like bans that many warned of a few years back and are now tried by councils everywhere, stick ya heads in the sand and ignore the muppets who can't understand port vs starboard and whine about how 'haters gonna hate' rather then acknowledge there are serious issues.
You say all THEY need to do is???? Who are THEY??
$100 a year for a number,,, how many numbers do you get for your $100? Enough to cover every kite or polers sail you own and might test each year or borrow off your mate?
"That would be easy to implement" ? By who? And how will they(who ever they are?) implement a windsurfer or kite with no number on a down winder, who didn't abide by port/starboard rules, that passes by and disappears 20km away down the beach??
I don't think any bans have ever been put in place to remove kiters or poledancers from swimmers,beach goers or boats, like you have stated, because of not obeying port/starboard rules??
I think the things that could cause prob's, and why here have been a couple of exclusion areas, are the launching and landing areas and too close to flagged areas. This is the first I have heard of bans that have been put in place because of not obeying port/starboard rules? These people you talk about banning these things would raise megga revenue if they go to a wave spot and start handing out $1 000 fines for not obeying port/starboard.
A $100 a year number stuck on a sail or kite will not suddenly make the world safer, but will only raise more government funds.
^^^ OK well first of all I was not the first to use the term 'they' so give up the automatic "have a crack at anything Mark says" crap. FanBoiiiii not funniiii
"THEY" obviously means the authorities such as Dept Transport Marine section in WA or your equivalent there.
It is quite clear that IF licensing etc was going to be implemented it would be administered by the same mob who licence boats and such. Not hard to figure out...
You really are clutching at straws for something to criticise me on next. Duh - if licensing was implemented each person would get a number. Lets say you get NSW069 cos you applied for it, being a sexual legend amongst the ladies. So then YOU have to display NSW069 on all your kites. Done.
How hard is that ???? (for the authorities I mean)
I was not saying it will happen, I was clearly refuting bjw's assertion that it is not possible. However you'd rather get in a lather about what mark wrote (as usual) than see I was responding to a previous post.
And I never said bans were caused by lack of obeying ROW rules. I likened the dismissive ignoring-things mindset about bans, to the recent ROW threads where people seem to wish to play willful blindness and claim the rules do not exist (when they plainly do)
^^^^Wooow, chill out dude, Im not criticizing you or having a crack at you lol, was talking on topic, dont take comments on topics here so personnel, no need for the condescending "well duh" comments
and criticizing how successful I am with the young ladies, can understand your jealousy though lol
Was just commenting on the topic and the idea of licence numbers on kites and sails, I never aimed anger at you or was condescending to you, just replying my opinion on the topic, so show the same respect plz.
Still dont know how they are going to chase down a poledancer or kiter with no licence number on the sail disappearing down the beach on a downwinder so they can write up a $1 000 fine?
What would you suggest on that one? Jet ski's patrolling the windsurfing and kiting areas maybe Are the departments/authorities going to have jetskis on the beach all along the coast to regulate the licenced numbers? Its just not a viable solution in my opinion and will only be a revenue raiser on licence fees.
Just because there is a licence number on a sail or kite and fee to pay, dosent stop bad behaviour.
I mean look at gun licences, it hasnt stopped all the shootings in the last 20 years.
f%ck me lotofwind just come over to WA and make out with Mark . Your obsession with him is sickening and quite frankly your constant dribble is dead set boring .
Na, he is waaaaaay to old for me
was not having a go at him at all, just dont agree with $100 licence fees and $1 000 fines when it wont fix anything and there is not the man power to enforce it anyways??
Do you want to pay licence fees?? Do you think it will solve the issue?
^^^^Mate you contradict yourself yourself in your own posts. You were condescending to Mark in the first place and the tone of your message was pretty concieted and was really just a burble of ****. Your just back peddling now trying to spark up another pointless argument based on fallacy and your own tainted imagination. Please keep you comments to yourself and stop tarnishing the kiting comminity. As this topic states, theres enough idiots out there already...we don't need you opening your mouth and confirming it.
if we stop commenting to this thread it will finally drift out of sight and forgotten
In Germany you can drink the finest beer on the street without getting a ridiculous fine and buy it at a very low price from just about anywhere, plus you can drive as fast as you want if you are in the correct lane on the autobahn. Doesn't seem like such a bad place to me !!
D##kheads will be d#%kheads whether you make them get a licence or not. Heavier regulation on kiting is just around the corner for WA whether we like it or not, the flares and life jackets are just the beginning.
The real solution is to act as a culture and promote safety and awareness on a group and individual level. If you've got a local crew at your beach make sure you all get on board and advise and instruct people who are doing the wrong thing. Everyone of you out there who is against a licence ( myself included) make it your mission to offer friendly advice to anyone in the wrong instead of just winging about it after the fact.
A friendly lecture from somone who knows what their doing and can show you a better way is always going to be more powerful than a licences or a fine from a government that has no idea !!
Select to expand quotekitcho207 said..
if we stop commenting to this thread it will finally drift out of sight and forgotten
It should moved into the Tin Foil section.
Select to expand quoteEnglishCraig said...Greenarrowz said...Mark _australia said...
This topic is funny. A bloke suggested licensing, and got slammed...... the red thumbs alone shows it.
Then other people say it would be better to have licensing than bans. And get thumbs up. Weird/
Anyway, you don't need licensing.
It can't be that hard a sport if you have time to touch yourself erotically as you do it.....
Greenarrowz said..
On the other hand, don't make the test too hard, the amount of times we see kite questions in Shooting the Breeze, or Windsurf forum, would be comical if it wasn't so sad, and the use of "kiteing" in many posts well hmmmmmmmmmm
If you choose to look closer , the kiter in the pic is clearly adjusting her ipod or communication device,her hair is not wet and appears to be confident her earpeice will stay dry so maybe shes instructing.
In any case , kiting comes down to common sense
like riding a pushbike on our roads,which is not something licencing wil help.
Im sure if I was walking along the beach and
saw a kiter near the shore , Ide stand back and let them do their thing good or bad....and offer help if they needed it....just like a cyclist....
Ide like to know what cookys mate with the dog
said to the kiter that day .....
Some people will help their UncleJack ,
off the horse.....
And others will want a license to help
their uncle Jack off the horse...
U looked closer at that picture and what you noticed was an earpiece? Wow
Not sure if she is tasting the air with the tounge hanging out 
maybe off starship Enterprise 
