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Cottesloe Kiting Ban

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Created by Carboneutral > 9 months ago, 14 Oct 2014
Carboneutral
WA, 59 posts
14 Oct 2014 6:01PM
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Went down to Cottesloe (Opposite Salvado St) today to see if there was enough wind, as I approach the pathway down to the beach I noticed a new sign at the top showing all the things that are banned at the beach and kiting is one of them, so then I drove a couple of hundred metres north to Deane st carpark and the same sign appears there. Now did I miss something in the forums discussing this or have the Cott council decided what the hell lets ban everything.

I've been kiting for 8 - 9 years and the last 7 of them at this spot which I called my local, I paid my WAKSA membership every year and even put the correct coloured tag on my harness in case the ranger came down as apparently you were only supposed to kite there if you were a member displaying the tag.

To say I'm pissed off is an understatement especially as there was no lead up warning or opportunity to go to any meeting to discuss the ban, on top of that we are slowly getting pushed to kite at one or two locations along this stretch making things even more crowded.

What I would like to know is there anybody out there who knew anything about this and if not will we (WAKSA and kiting community) be able to get it changed, if not what a shame that local government can decide to do whatever they want with no thought given to anyone else's use of the beach.

By the way I'll be moving to the SW in a couple of months to gods country so ultimately it won't affect me, but I believe a fight is needed to stop this sort of sh#t happening as it seems to on a regular basis. Over and out.

burnsy11
WA, 122 posts
14 Oct 2014 6:19PM
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Driving there now to see if this is true- if it is - when is the protest ?!

0llie
NSW, 176 posts
14 Oct 2014 9:29PM
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Hope this can be worked out??? Seems unbelievable council could ban a sport ( any sport for that matter) without any warning just like that......

the walks
WA, 448 posts
14 Oct 2014 6:30PM
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calm down, there's probably a competition on somewhere

burnsy11
WA, 122 posts
14 Oct 2014 6:34PM
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burnsy11
WA, 122 posts
14 Oct 2014 6:37PM
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This is absolute bull**** - read the sign - so not safe for swimmers , no dogs , no fishing as beach is not suitable - why the fu&# have they banned kites now ? One Kiter fatality (tragic) and now ban it for all of us.... I hope we can group together and reverse this decision !

Mark _australia
WA, 23450 posts
14 Oct 2014 6:58PM
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Shall I post links to the threads 5yrs ago about how the segregated areas were being ignored by kiters, and how non WAKSA / AKSA members were kiting there against the rules?
Half the responses were the bullsh!t "i will do what I please and fk all you surfers windsurfers dog walkers" hero type sh!t.


Hardly a shocking development. I feel for you, but like I said, hardly surprising.

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
14 Oct 2014 9:03PM
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I can see the headline now:

Kitesurfers wanting to raise money for REDKITE - Prevented due to Cott Council restrictions.

Puetz
NT, 2185 posts
14 Oct 2014 8:33PM
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.... guys, don't worry, the sign isn't showing kite banning, they are banning throwing a towel into the air because its got a few stray threads!!

Underoath
QLD, 2433 posts
14 Oct 2014 9:05PM
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Only a general warning agaist damaging natural vegatation and diving headfirst into rocks, Yet banning kiting.

I dont even kite the place, but this is a real shame.

leftfield
WA, 200 posts
14 Oct 2014 7:13PM
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Mark _australia said..
Shall I post links to the threads 5yrs ago about how the segregated areas were being ignored by kiters, and how non WAKSA / AKSA members were kiting there against the rules?
Half the responses were the bullsh!t "i will do what I please and fk all you surfers windsurfers dog walkers" hero type sh!t.


Hardly a shocking development. I feel for you, but like I said, hardly surprising.



I was just thinking the same www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Kiting-at-Cottesloe-Banned/

LostDog
WA, 445 posts
14 Oct 2014 7:37PM
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leftfield said..



Mark _australia said..
Shall I post links to the threads 5yrs ago about how the segregated areas were being ignored by kiters, and how non WAKSA / AKSA members were kiting there against the rules?
Half the responses were the bullsh!t "i will do what I please and fk all you surfers windsurfers dog walkers" hero type sh!t.


Hardly a shocking development. I feel for you, but like I said, hardly surprising.





I was just thinking the same www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Kiting-at-Cottesloe-Banned/




Wow, that thread is from 8 years ago, a whole generation of kiters have come and gone, surely there would have been some community consultation prior to this.
Those of us who try to be considerate would surely have gotten involved.
Perhaps WAKSA could let us know what went down prior to this?

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
14 Oct 2014 8:05PM
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Got me why you guys put up with this s..t, move to the Midwest where you councils are pro kitesurfing, I had a weekend down Perth near kings park end of the river, blew me away at the things your not allowed to do, what's the point if you carnt do anything, fat queer australia, it's the future I'm telling you, dogs sh,,t and fat gits should be the only things banned on the beach

kemp90
QLD, 1694 posts
14 Oct 2014 10:44PM
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No sign saying you can't windsurf. I don't understand why you couldn't kite! I bet it was some old couple having a cry to the council saying " these people on kites are having too much fun, it needs to be baned". I hope this never happens to my beach!

antisense
WA, 109 posts
14 Oct 2014 8:51PM
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saw the same sign down at the swanny dog beach at the end of north street. still plenty of kiters it there when the wind is up. do you think rangers can actually be bothered enforcing?..

I assume if you were kiting somewhere with a no kiting sign, this would void any 3rd party insurance right?

RPM
WA, 1549 posts
14 Oct 2014 9:07PM
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Obviously when a fatality occurs councils get excited and have to mitigate their exposure. Did anyone not expect this to happen give the publicity that occurred afterwards..

I'm a local to Cottesloe so it really doesn't surprise me to be honest.

let's see how much WAKSA put into this issue!!!

Sauce
WA, 203 posts
14 Oct 2014 9:51PM
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I can't see anywhere on their website that it is banned.

Here is a link to the beach policy:
http://www.cottesloe.wa.gov.au/d/Council/Policies_and_Local_Laws/Policies/J0JRKREPCH4W5IMD5ICAHEAQF7DT6B/9PGJLXIQBI840X3.pdf/Beach+Policy.pdf?

beach laws
www.cottesloe.wa.gov.au/d/Council/Policies_and_Local_Laws/Local_Laws/HC9OUAT4L01S22IKCUJHTVG2PNDJYC/0QAASD3TPDLTK1P.pdf/D12+9494++Beaches+and+Beach+Reserves+Local+Law+2012+_adopted+Council+28+May+2012_.pdf?

Although the beach laws are pretty open ended.

Slack
WA, 685 posts
14 Oct 2014 10:55PM
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wishy
WA, 1501 posts
14 Oct 2014 11:07PM
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I can't wait for the big developments at Leighton , Scarborough and city beach to finish and steal as much business off Cott as possible.

It is such an snotty elitist beachfront area with ridiculous prices for crap food and drinks. Not to mention boardshorts are banned from the Cottesloe "beach" hotel.

I don't understand why Cottesloe has such a big name anyway, most of the shore line is exposed ankle breaking limestone moonscape.

There's almost no one on that section of beach during a proper seabreeze, maybe a few staffys and a bloke walking along with a beer

Rails
QLD, 1371 posts
15 Oct 2014 7:05AM
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cauncy said..
Got me why you guys put up with this s..t, move to the Midwest where you councils are pro kitesurfing, I had a weekend down Perth near kings park end of the river, blew me away at the things your not allowed to do, what's the point if you carnt do anything, fat queer australia, it's the future I'm telling you, dogs sh,,t and fat gits should be the only things banned on the beach


What's wrong with dogs?

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
15 Oct 2014 7:02AM
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Rails said...
cauncy said..
Got me why you guys put up with this s..t, move to the Midwest where you councils are pro kitesurfing, I had a weekend down Perth near kings park end of the river, blew me away at the things your not allowed to do, what's the point if you carnt do anything, fat queer australia, it's the future I'm telling you, dogs sh,,t and fat gits should be the only things banned on the beach


What's wrong with dogs?


Dog s..t

Triggerhappy
WA, 174 posts
15 Oct 2014 8:29AM
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Cottesloe council should have a duty of care to provide proper facilities for kitesurfers rather than just ban it. I imagine that their argument is a petty one, probably brought about by some surfer or windsurfer or old granny, but it is totally upside down. This stretch is water not ideal for swimming with the submerged reef so close to the beach, a valid argument for dogs as well. So the swimming public should be banned from this site. Thus the only really use should be for those participating in water sports and warnings put up for the general public to avoid this area.

Any argument that is is not safe because someone died should be thrown out. Should we ban cars where someone dies in a road accident, or cyclists too or buildings in cottesloe where people fall off them or get pushed.

How do we take the council to court?

Juddy
WA, 1103 posts
15 Oct 2014 8:41AM
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RPM said..
Obviously when a fatality occurs councils get excited and have to mitigate their exposure. Did anyone not expect this to happen give the publicity that occurred afterwards..

I'm a local to Cottesloe so it really doesn't surprise me to be honest.

let's see how much WAKSA put into this issue!!!



Disappointing as this may be, a much stronger case can be presented if concerned local kiters get involved and contact their local government council & the councilors.

I look forward to hearing of your efforts RPM. Perhaps it might be that opportunity you've been looking for to work collaboratively with WAKSA - now that you're directly affected by an issue.

NorthWind
3 posts
15 Oct 2014 8:42AM
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In the UK the councils have a legal duty to provide or have a plan to provide a venue to participate in official sports. Kiteboarding is (in the UK) now an official sport. Might this angle work in WA?

The UK experience is that it is best to engage with the council, befriend the councillors, explain, get the support of the locals. That tends to work best rather than the confrontational approach (or a bit of both ... good cop / bad cop) can work well.

Let me know if we can help from the UK. Sometimes a petition with lots of international as well as local signatures can grab the attention?

Good luck.

BA

sutes
VIC, 11 posts
15 Oct 2014 12:18PM
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BTO
WA, 25 posts
15 Oct 2014 9:31AM
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Get used to it. Its going to happen at other beaches as well in the next few years. We, re not a unique sport anymore that people would stop & watch. We, re now considered a pain in the bum by a lot of people. Too many people with no common sense have taken it up & they don't care about the the consequences of their actions. Go to any kite spot in Perth this summer, sit there for an hour & count how many stupid things you see happen. From risky launches over sun bathers ,kiting through swimmers & surfers, dropping kites & lines over people in & out of the water. This crap happens up & down the coast from Mandurah to Lano & every coastal council is watching it.

Twoscoops
WA, 15 posts
15 Oct 2014 9:45AM
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That's Bull! we need to get together on this one and keep on kiting there. Feck them. Apart from the odd dog walker minding his own business during seabreezes on this stretch of beach there is never anyone but Kiters and Windsurfers. (I have nothing against dogs on this beach by the way).

They might as well concrete the bloody thing and put up barb wire fencing. That will solve the problem!!

Let's face the Town of Cottelsoe CEO, he is just a little annoyed that we are having fun.

wishy
WA, 1501 posts
15 Oct 2014 9:48AM
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BTO said..
Get used to it. Its going to happen at other beaches as well in the next few years. We, re not a unique sport anymore that people would stop & watch. We, re now considered a pain in the bum by a lot of people. Too many people with no common sense have taken it up & they don't care about the the consequences of their actions. Go to any kite spot in Perth this summer, sit there for an hour & count how many stupid things you see happen. From risky launches over sun bathers ,kiting through swimmers & surfers, dropping kites & lines over people in & out of the water. This crap happens up & down the coast from Mandurah to Lano & every coastal council is watching it.


This is no different to kook surfers, boogers, goat boaters, and heaven forbid.....SUP-ers

BTO
WA, 25 posts
15 Oct 2014 10:26AM
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wishy said..

BTO said..
Get used to it. Its going to happen at other beaches as well in the next few years. We, re not a unique sport anymore that people would stop & watch. We, re now considered a pain in the bum by a lot of people. Too many people with no common sense have taken it up & they don't care about the the consequences of their actions. Go to any kite spot in Perth this summer, sit there for an hour & count how many stupid things you see happen. From risky launches over sun bathers ,kiting through swimmers & surfers, dropping kites & lines over people in & out of the water. This crap happens up & down the coast from Mandurah to Lano & every coastal council is watching it.



This is no different to kook surfers, boogers, goat boaters, and heaven forbid.....SUP-ers


They see it very differently & the feck em we'll kite there anyway attitude just gives them more reason to want us off their beaches.

WeirdEd
VIC, 268 posts
15 Oct 2014 1:57PM
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BTO said..
We, re not a unique sport anymore that people would stop & watch.



Funny you mention this: In Melbourne tour buses stop at the main kite beach in St. Kilda and it's not like Melbourne does not have any other sights.
I am pretty convinced (even though I'm biased) that people still stop & watch and that having colorful kites on the water is an asset for tourism.



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