Vaccine who has it who hasn't who won't?

Side effects, huh?

A few years ago a study was done that showed the same rate of side effects for placebo as for flu vaccine

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8687262/#:~:text=Overall%2C%2035.2%25%20of%20placebo%20and,001).

Side effects associated with influenza vaccination in healthy working adults. A randomized, placebo-controlled trial

Of 849 subjects enrolled in the study, 425 received a placebo and 424 received influenza vaccine. Baseline characteristics were similar between the groups, and 99% of subjects completed interviews to assess side effects after the study injection. No differences were seen between the 2 groups for the systemic symptoms of fever, myalgias, fatigue, malaise, or headaches. Overall, 35.2% of placebo and 34.1% of vaccine recipients reported at least 1 of these systemic symptoms (P = .78, chi 2).

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Macroscien said..
Yep, I get AZ two days ago, and I am stil alive...
To be fair didn't sleep whole night, had terrible fever and headache...
but not I am fine nowdoc said that to clot may get me in few days or not at all, and there is none of the wind to enjoy

Wonder if there will be any long term chronic side effects

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TonyAbbott said..

Macroscien said..
Yep, I get AZ two days ago, and I am stil alive...
To be fair didn't sleep whole night, had terrible fever and headache...
but not I am fine nowdoc said that to clot may get me in few days or not at all, and there is none of the wind to enjoy

Wonder if there will be any long term chronic side effects

Possibly are, perhaps he will have an overwhelming urge to enter politics.

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psychojoe said..
So apparently all of the people in Sydney Covid intensive care are vaccinated.
Now there's some food for thought.

Well, it really tells us very little. With a lot of vulnerable people already getting vaccinated, is it the same vulnerable people that have Covid? Are they worse off than if they were unvaccinated? I think we could argue that they are no worse off. My feeling is that they are probably better off having been vaccinated.

Do we go and count those that are unvaccinated that have died from Delta?

I can understand you arguing that some people dying from vaccination is clearly a bad thing, but pointing out that those in ICU are vaccinated proves nothing. It certainly doesn't prove that they are worse off, and by the same token it can't prove that they are better off. That said, the consensus seems to be that being vaccinated with Delta leads to less effects when you have Covid.

Seems there's an incongruence between 9 and the ABC.
Skip to six minutes for the part I referenced.

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psychojoe said..
So apparently all of the people in Sydney Covid intensive care are vaccinated.
Now there's some food for thought.

Would you state the opposite case if they turn out to be unvaccinated?

Does it make you a convert?

Did bill shorten get the vax decades ago?

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/women-are-claiming-boobs-get-bigger-after-having-pfizer-jab/news-story/507c2b8d36cd53cec5072f567e7dd1d7

Interesting development in the US.
CDC withdraws the emergency approval for the PCR test. Big decision bearing in mind that positive PCR tests have underpinned pretty much all of the restrictions which we've been subjected to.

Would have been nice had they given a reason. Perhaps it is because they have realised that the advice given by Kary Mullis who was awarded the Nobel prize for his invention, was correct all along when he stated that it could not be used to diagnose disease.

www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

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Smithy said..
I'm all for vaccinations, my partner and I had our 1st AstraZenica back in May. I suffered a slight head ache but my partner suffered severe pins and needles down her left side that ended up lasting days. We were told to go to emergency where they thought she had had a stroke, fortunately it proved not to be. But a very traumatic day of tests and waiting.

While there, another lady came in by ambulance who had suffered a full on stroke within 5 minutes of vaccination, she was in a very bad way. The hospital were fantastic with my partner but would not say the reaction she suffered was linked to AstraZenica. It seemed that unless it's a bold clot it doesn't count.

We are due for the second jab this week, she is so scared and may not follow through. I will.

For what it's worth, they say the second AZ vaccination gives few side effects but Pfizer has more on the second. I've had both of my AZ, no side effects from either Went foiling the afternoons after getting them and the days after, no probs.

I don't envy you Smithy.
In talking to the doctor I'd be asking about switching to Pfizer.
Clots and an aneurysm don't sound like a good mix. Neither does Covid and an aneurysm.

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psychomub said..
www.newswars.com/fda-announces-that-cdcs-pcr-test-failed-review-will-have-emergency-use-authorization-revoked/

As far as I know these test kits aren't widely used in Australia. They are the rapid test panels but the picture on the link shows the nasal swab which is not being revoked, so once again a misleading article.

This could be a bit of a game changer.
I prefer the idea of a bit of a nasal spritz over the needle.
That said, tens of thousands of people have died from previous intranasal vaccine formulas so I'll be waiting until there's some good data on these.

The article is just an overview of seven intranasal Covid vaccines

science.sciencemag.org/content/373/6553/397

Vaccination makes you more potent, increasing sperm count and motility.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2781360

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Harrow said..
Vaccination makes you more potent, increasing sperm count and motility.

jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2781360

I wonder if the results were due to the vaccine or that they asked the men not to wack off for a while.

Most likely the later.

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psychomub said..
Oops...

Cases in the UK were supposed to skyrocket after restrictions were lifted , according to"experts"..

i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300368690/covid19-daily-cases-were-supposed-to-soar-in-britain--scientists-arent-sure-why-they-havent-yet

Give it some time, plenty of peaks & troughs over the last 18 months. Could consider the UK opened up at the start of a predictable reduction/slide after a peak. Also need to plug in there are still 20k new cases per day being recorded and deaths bottomed out at approx the same time last season. The next upswing might not be seen for a while, previous trends cycles would indicate autumn, 6-8weeks time. If not, the UK vaccination program is working or they are simply through the worst of it.

Regardless of what the layman's or expert's agenda is, only time will tell.