Can we ignore those who refuse to acknowledge man-made climate change and have a discussion about what we should do out it?
To be clear, I am not saying there is nothing we can do about it - I don't know - I am suggesting that before we spend too many more trillions, perhaps the question "can we do anything about it?" deserves closer examination. From my (limited) understanding, the belief that it is not already too late does take a considerable amount of optimism.
Perhaps there are better uses for those trillions?
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The 97% consensus is a made up imaginary number
Of the 11,994 papers used for the Cook et al. (2013) 97% claim, 99.5 did not say recent global warming was mostly man made.
Only 0.5 did (Legates et al., 2013). It took massive amounts of creativity and deception to invent the 97% consensus theory.
I'm OK arguing about the consensus figure but not about the science of CC which as I lay person I don't understand well enough - I accept what the experts say 
Some suggest that the 97% consensus figure is too low;
www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/may/03/is-the-climate-consensus-97-999-or-is-plate-tectonics-a-hoax
Select to expand quoteAUS1111 said..
Can we ignore those who refuse to acknowledge man-made climate change and have a discussion about what we should do out it?
To be clear, I am not saying there is nothing we can do about it - I don't know - I am suggesting that before we spend too many more trillions, perhaps the question "can we do anything about it?" deserves closer examination. From my (limited) understanding, the belief that it is not already too late does take a considerable amount of optimism.
Perhaps there are better uses for those trillions?
Why should we (lay people) have a discussion about what do do about it?
I would suggest that most of us are largely ignorant of much of the detail.
We have thousands of climate scientists - we can be involved by ensuring that our politicians do what they advise.
The chief scientists of the CSIRO has stated that even if we got our co2 output to zero it will have zero impact on climate change
How many trillions should we spend to achieve nothing?
Tony Abbott was the worst Australian Prime Minister of all time.
An attack dog brought out in desparation that won a race to the bottom. A political experiment. A leader stuck in reverse. A character lacking character. A national embarrassment.
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Tony Abbott was the worst Australian Prime Minister of all time.
An attack dog brought out in desparation that won a race to the bottom. A political experiment. A leader stuck in reverse. A character lacking character. A national embarrassment.
Now now....shootin' the breeze...
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No-one's debating you dude.
C'mon... I understand his confusion... Tony Abbott is a giant mass debater and is merely misinterpreting your comments as part of his regular mass debating over his pet subjects of boating, SSM, climate change and clean energy.
Am I the only one who finds Adriano's fascination with Tony Abbott a bit....weird? 
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Am I the only one who finds Adriano's fascination with Tony Abbott a bit....weird?
Nope... seems to have a TA archive!
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Am I the only one who finds Adriano's fascination with Tony Abbott a bit....weird?
Ahh mate, he's here talking to us. Haven't you noticed? Where's your sense of humour?
It's not a fascination, I just like making fun of morons like TA. He's a sitting target. The moron can't stay out of the press and he's on Seabreeze now spreading more bull.
I'd suggest the person most fascinated with Tony Abbott is they loser hiding behind the Tony Abbott avatar on Seabreeze.
I still liked this thread better when it was about god karate chopping mountain ranges into existence. That seems much more plausible than this global warming fashion.
^^^
Starting to look like Adriano's theme there. Having had an inverter fail on me a couple of months ago, I'm left with the thought that there must be other solar PV arrays on other roofs that have the same problem. I only realised that mine was busted because I frequently check the output. Somebody who is more of a "set & forget" personality might easily go months without noticing. Unless they're foolish enough to go off grid, so would find out within a day or 2.
My electric bill was 107 dollars up from 82 last year.
48 dollars was the supply charge!
I wonder how much so far these companies have paid the pollies thru the back door for selling them our utilities?
Classic example of corporate fascism right there.
Its a f k g disgrace.
As for man made global warming - it's that thing up there that influences our temperature a billion times more than anything else.
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My electric bill was 107 dollars up from 82 last year.
48 dollars was the supply charge!
I wonder how much so far these companies have paid the pollies thru the back door for selling them our utilities?
Classic example of corporate fascism right there.
Its a f k g disgrace.
As for man made global warming - it's that thing up there that influences our temperature a billion times more than anything else.
Remember that time you ate a pizza that made you sick and you thought in was mossad trying to get rid of you because you knew too much...and you said "at times like this I just feel like I need somebody to love"?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahabababababbabbb
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Solar Panels could Destroy U.S. Utilies, according to U.S. Utilities
Aren't they effectively saying that as long as some technology that doesn't currently exist, does in fact come into existence, the utilities are knackered?
Only partly saying that. What they are ignoring in their claims about reduced revenues is that householders with PV are doing some of their investment in new generation for them. So their costs are reduced along with revenues.
When it comes to batteries, I'm against subsidising them for domestic installation, which I think Qld Labor is promising.
Solar PV has the benefit of reducing the need for other sources of generation at peak times. A lot of my power gets used by other people on sunny days. A battery gives nobody benefits but me, so why should the public subsidise it? On top of that, it's inefficient to have lots of small batteries not being properly managed in private houses. Much better to have grid scale batteries run by people who know what they are doing
Climate models are nearly all wrong
We need policy based on reality, not fantasy
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2485772/Global-warming-pause-20-years-Arctic-sea-ice-started-recover.html
Hahahah the Daily Mail. 
Reality? Fantasy? Pffft. Quote the Daily Mail!
Today's top story in the right column is just as factual as that piece of tripe you posted Phoney Toney:
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5057603/Kylie-Jenner-sparks-pregnancy-confusion.html
Don't worry, no one's taking you seriously pbrain.
