Select to expand quotedecrepit said..
how sick was he but? just testing positive doesn't make you highly infectious, you have to be sneezing and coughing to really spread germs around.
Agreed. For most of us we would think we just have a cold and only go see a doctor or go for a Covid test a few days later. This guy, given his job is very risk for exposure, probably raised the flag as soon as he felt slightly unwell.
We really don't know when people are infectious after they have gotten it, and it will probably change with different variants of the virus.
This guy didn't raise the flag. He's 20, he didn't get sick. He also didn't wear a mask while performing quarantine duties.
I'm forced to question the intelligence of anyone that thinks Mark's done a great job keeping the virus out. It's only luck that the half life of Covid is three minutes in the Perth sunshine and twelve hours in a refrigerated environment.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
This guy didn't raise the flag. He's 20, he didn't get sick. He also didn't wear a mask while performing quarantine duties.
I'm forced to question the intelligence of anyone that thinks Mark's done a great job keeping the virus out. It's only luck that the half life of Covid is three minutes in the Perth sunshine and twelve hours in a refrigerated environment.
Didn't he call in sick to work?
MM didn't keep Covid out. Why did you come here from Vic again?
edit: This is what was reported on one news report
"The guard completed two 12 hour shifts on 26 and 27 January," Premier Mark McGowan said.
"Exactly how the infection was acquired remains under investigation.
"He developed symptoms on Thursday 28 January, and phoned in sick and did not go to work at the quarantine facility."
Select to expand quoteIan K said..That makes sense, otherwise you'd have to double up on the ducting. Or vent each room directly outside. Making use of the corridors for return air is practical . I'd guess all hotels do it this way. None were designed as quarantine stations. How do hospitals do it?
The corridor ceiling space has virtually no room for return air ducting - it is already full of cable trays and supply air ducting.
The hotels are designed for energy efficiency - this is why a percentage of the return air is normally recycled, it makes a very significant saving of both electricity [for cooling] and gas [for heating]
Hospitals work on a similar principal, however, they have dedicated negative pressure rooms for contagious patients, where due to the a combination of airlock doors and pressure differential, supply air / return air cannot contaminate any other areas.
It would be extremely expensive to retrofit a hotel's aircon system to individually isolate each rooms return air.
The only way I could see it being done would be to block off the return air ducts over the entry door to each room, fit a large vent into the bathroom door, enlarge the bathroom exhaust vent, and remove the exhaust extraction fan on the roof and replace it with a very much larger exhaust extraction fan.
This way all the air supplied to each room would exit out the bathroom vent.
but - watch the power bill go through the roof!
It would be like running a split system A/C in your house - with all the windows and doors open!
Select to expand quote"It would be extremely expensive to retrofit a hotel's aircon system to individually isolate each rooms return air."
Cost even more not to.
If we value the time of each of the 2,000,000 lockdown participants at $200 per day then this little exercise would achieve a conservative price tag of $2,000,000,000.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said.."It would be extremely expensive to retrofit a hotel's aircon system to individually isolate each rooms return air."
Cost even more not to.
If we value the time of each of the 2,000,000 lockdown participants at $200 per day then this little exercise would achieve a conservative price tag of $2,000,000,000.
Much more sensible [in my own possibly dodgy opinion] 
to set up a series of quarantine donga style camps, each site with the capacity to cater for an aircraft load of quarantined people + the staff needed to run the place.
No-one leaves a quarantine camp until all quarantined AND staff are cleared and vaccinated.
After enduring 2 x 2 weeks hotel quarantine due to McClown, I could help but laugh when I heard Greater Perth was going into lockdown, at least his own constituents got a taste of his rules.
Select to expand quotesn said..psychojoe said.."It would be extremely expensive to retrofit a hotel's aircon system to individually isolate each rooms return air."
Cost even more not to.
If we value the time of each of the 2,000,000 lockdown participants at $200 per day then this little exercise would achieve a conservative price tag of $2,000,000,000.
Much more sensible [in my own possibly dodgy opinion] to set up a series of quarantine donga style camps, each site with the capacity to cater for an aircraft load of quarantined people + the staff needed to run the place.
No-one leaves a quarantine camp until all quarantined AND staff are cleared and vaccinated.
Pearce! You can land a jumbo there. It's outside the city. It's secure. It makes sense.
Perth Covid Rules Explained. (Copy paste, I don't care. At least I got rid of all the emojis for you. You're welcome.)
So our 5 day full lockdown in Perth has officially been lifted due to 0 transmissions SO FAR of that 1 highly contagious UK strain of COVID.
From 6pm tonight (not 5.55pm) we are free to go back to some bit of normality but there's a few restrictions in place.
Now this is where it gets interesting, because I personally didn't realise how sophisticated COVID actually is, thank me later.
- I can go for a stroll around the neighbourhood, but I have to wear a mask because I can still catch COVID, now if I up my pace to a run (vigorous exercise) I can remove my mask, I presume it's because COVID can't keep up with my pace.
Wow, that's just amazing, never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd outrun a deadly virus
- Businesses that were closed can reopen, EXCEPT casinos and nightclubs, why?? Well because if you dance you can catch COVID, doh!
Always enjoyed a lil shuffle when I get a 15c win at the casino.
- it's ok though, all I need is an invitation to a wedding or funeral and I can enjoy a dance with the other 150 people at that function, because clearly COVID isn't getting an invite, bit rude to exclude but there you go.
- I have to wear a mask going in the door of a pub/restaurant, but when I'm eating or drinking I can remove it, I can only presume COVID is stuck at the door getting asked for ID; great, gives me enough time to inhale my dinner.
But just because I'm eating at my favourite restaurant again after being deprived for 5 days while it was closed, does not mean I can do a happy dance in there; I have to remember if it's not a wedding or funeral COVID will get me. Why did security let it in?
- I planned a private party at my house, we'll be indoors & outdoors but there's only 20 people allowed now with the restrictions because COVID knows if there'll be 21 people at my house, but I need to invite at least 150 people so, panic over, I'll just move the party to a pub or restaurant, doesn't matter if it's an indoor or outdoor venue, as long as it's not a private gathering and now everyone can come.... and we can dance without the threat of COVID.
Unsure if my guests have to wear a mask though, maybe I'll have a themed masquerade party, when life gives you lemons ha.
If Marky boy can wear it on his eyes so can my guests
- We can't visit the elderly in the aged care homes as they're not allowed visitors. But I can get my long awaited boob job & Brazilian butt implants & my family and friends can visit me in hospital to check out my new tits and ass; obviously very important to me after being a whole 4 or so hours in surgery on my own without seeing family and friends.
- Kids go back to school on Monday, if your child is 12 on Monday they don't have to wear a mask, but on Tuesday if your child turns 13, they better get that mask on or risk a big fine, again how sophisticated is COVID that it knows your age?
- Teachers have to wear a mask but they can take it off while teaching, so clearly COVID is showing some signs of compassion in Australia and stays away so our kids can have an education, but is it?
This deadly virus is ready to pounce the minute the teacher stops teaching and forgets to put on the mask, so at some stage, in that staff room or in the corridors or in the playground, our teachers (definitely not anyone under 12) could get COVID and not be able to teach, therefore no education for the kids.
It's such a sneaky virus.
- Also even though last year we were advised to NOT wear masks by the minister for health to protect against COVID, I think it's best we just disregard that public statement and do exactly what they're telling us to do now.
So as we move into the next week with these small restrictions in place let's just take some time to take all that in.
Stay safe everyone, we've got this.
(actually don't say we've got this or you'll be getting shunned by the community)
Bikertoy, you are missing the idea that it's all about statistics and trying to protect people but at the same time let the economy and people resume some sort of normal.
Sure, people take their masks off when eating and drinking, but if they are using them in most other normal day to day interaction, the chances of something being passed on is reduced.
Imagine what would happen if the government said that all interaction was banned without a mask. I.e. no eating or drinking in public, and all the food places would have to shut.
I think the opinion of state governments has changed for the use of masks. I think in the beginning they argued it was dangerous as it gave people a false sense of security. Now it seems that they recognise it can limit transmission and it's better than hoping that people are careful.
In a nightclub there are going to be a lot of people drinking, i.e. facemasks off, and talking loudly and close to each other. Surely that's pretty obvious?
I have been pretty impressed by the people in Perth that have happily donned masks to return to almost normal. The more people that do it the more people will accept it as expected.
There is the occassional genius though that tells me that the mask is somehow poisoning them with CO2. The scary thing is that these people don't realise how much CO2 is already in air.... we are doomed!
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Bikertoy, you are missing the idea that it's all about statistics and trying to protect people but at the same time let the economy and people resume some sort of normal.
Sure, people take their masks off when eating and drinking, but if they are using them in most other normal day to day interaction, the chances of something being passed on is reduced.
Imagine what would happen if the government said that all interaction was banned without a mask. I.e. no eating or drinking in public, and all the food places would have to shut.
I think the opinion of state governments has changed for the use of masks. I think in the beginning they argued it was dangerous as it gave people a false sense of security. Now it seems that they recognise it can limit transmission and it's better than hoping that people are careful.
In a nightclub there are going to be a lot of people drinking, i.e. facemasks off, and talking loudly and close to each other. Surely that's pretty obvious?
I have been pretty impressed by the people in Perth that have happily donned masks to return to almost normal. The more people that do it the more people will accept it as expected.
There is the occassional genius though that tells me that the mask is somehow poisoning them with CO2. The scary thing is that these people don't realise how much CO2 is already in air.... we are doomed!
I'm missing the idea eh?
I've got a pretty good idea that you're completely missing the point, as usual, especially with your talk about statistics and numbers...
A anything but the N95s have now been proven by extensive testing overseas that they do not reduce the chance of infection at all. The COVID mRNA virus is just too small.
but ... what I think masks do is remind us to keep our distance. I know when I put it on (I leave it on the car dash) I go ... oh that's right. And I see others with them on and go "ah yeh". Keep ya distance. Be as careful as you can. I think that is really the only benefit. It is I suppose a symbol of community cooperation.
that being said I'm always sceptical of governments making more rules and taking more control because history shows they never give it back unless by force. Power hungry psychopaths the lot of them.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
A anything but the N95s have now been proven by extensive testing overseas that they do not reduce the chance of infection at all. The COVID mRNA virus is just too small.
but ... what I think masks do is remind us to keep our distance. I know when I put it on (I leave it on the car dash) I go ... oh that's right. And I see others with them on and go "ah yeh". Keep ya distance. Be as careful as you can. I think that is really the only benefit. It is I suppose a symbol of community cooperation.
that being said I'm always sceptical of governments making more rules and taking more control because history shows they never give it back unless by force. Power hungry psychopaths the lot of them.
I thought this one had been done to death months ago. Sure, they don't stop you breathing in the virus, but that's not the point...they stop you spreading droplets a large distance if you are one of those spittle talkers walking around a supermarket or wherever.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
I'm missing the idea eh?
I've got a pretty good idea that you're completely missing the point, as usual, especially with your talk about statistics and numbers...
Okay, please spell out the point to me. I am pretty dumb sometimes.
If the government really wanted to stop any spread and thought that wearing masks and keeping distances from other people did not work, they would just make us all stay at home and have no interaction.
If they really really wanted to stop it they would not accept anyone from overseas or isolate them somewhere remote.
There is always a cost/benefit that is done. Sadly a lot of the cost is borne by others than the ones making the decisions.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
... I am pretty dumb sometimes.
Even a child can see it.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..kiterboy said..
I'm missing the idea eh?
I've got a pretty good idea that you're completely missing the point, as usual, especially with your talk about statistics and numbers...
Okay, please spell out the point to me. I am pretty dumb sometimes.
Baby-Formula, it's not just sometimes.
If you're happy to accept when you are told there is a difference in transmissibility risk between having 21 people in your backyard for a BBQ and 150 people in a pub, and if you can't see the futility of wearing a mask to walk through a restaurant door but then taking it off to eat and drink...well there's not much that can be done for you.
Obviously when you are walking/strolling on the sidewalk, you are at greater risk of passing on a virus when passing by someone; we know that no-one breathes heavier and expels saliva droplets when they are going for a vigorous run.
Hopefully none of the teachers are spittle talkers.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..FormulaNova said..
... I am pretty dumb sometimes.
Even a child can see it.
Oh no! I green thumbed this and can't figure out how to remove it...
I meant to hit the flag to report this as appropriate 
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..FormulaNova said..kiterboy said..
I'm missing the idea eh?
I've got a pretty good idea that you're completely missing the point, as usual, especially with your talk about statistics and numbers...
Okay, please spell out the point to me. I am pretty dumb sometimes.
Baby-Formula, it's not just sometimes.
If you're happy to accept when you are told there is a difference in transmissibility risk between having 21 people in your backyard for a BBQ and 150 people in a pub, and if you can't see the futility of wearing a mask to walk through a restaurant door but then taking it off to eat and drink...well there's not much that can be done for you.
Obviously when you are walking/strolling on the sidewalk, you are at greater risk of passing on a virus when passing by someone; we know that no-one breathes heavier and expels saliva droplets when they are going for a vigorous run.
Hopefully none of the teachers are spittle talkers.
Well, people have to eat and drink. The government don't want businesses to go under from not being able to open, so they are allowing this concession. It's a compromise.
The running thing I think is also a compromise. Most people I have seen walking around this last week are wearing masks. Runners maybe not, but I really don't expect too many people with symptoms to be going for a run. Not that its not possible.
The whole 1.5m thing is a statistical approach. Other countries have 6 feet, and some probably say 2 metres. I doubt it has been researched to arrive at that figure but they are guessing that transmission is much lower at that distance, and so much lower again if both are wearing masks.
At a macro level I am stoked that we can still do a lot, even wearing masks, instead of the lockdowns last year. No one wants those back, and if people miss out on going to a nightclub for a few weeks, bad luck to them.
Select to expand quoteBaby-Formula said..
...and if people miss out on going to a nightclub for a few weeks, bad luck to them.
Ahhh...I get it now. If it's in your small sphere of interest, a compromise is ok, but if it's not, well screw those people eh?
We gotta keep the restaurants open, let people dine in, it's not like they can't adapt to take-away and delivery services...
Nightclubs can go suck it, bad luck, no compromise for them, who cares if they go bust.
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..
Perth Covid Rules Explained. (Copy paste, I don't care. At least I got rid of all the emojis for you. You're welcome.)
So our 5 day full lockdown in Perth has officially been lifted due to 0 transmissions SO FAR of that 1 highly contagious UK strain of COVID.
From 6pm tonight (not 5.55pm) we are free to go back to some bit of normality but there's a few restrictions in place.
Now this is where it gets interesting, because I personally didn't realise how sophisticated COVID actually is, thank me later.
- I can go for a stroll around the neighbourhood, but I have to wear a mask because I can still catch COVID, now if I up my pace to a run (vigorous exercise) I can remove my mask, I presume it's because COVID can't keep up with my pace.
Wow, that's just amazing, never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd outrun a deadly virus
- Businesses that were closed can reopen, EXCEPT casinos and nightclubs, why?? Well because if you dance you can catch COVID, doh!
Always enjoyed a lil shuffle when I get a 15c win at the casino.
- it's ok though, all I need is an invitation to a wedding or funeral and I can enjoy a dance with the other 150 people at that function, because clearly COVID isn't getting an invite, bit rude to exclude but there you go.
- I have to wear a mask going in the door of a pub/restaurant, but when I'm eating or drinking I can remove it, I can only presume COVID is stuck at the door getting asked for ID; great, gives me enough time to inhale my dinner.
But just because I'm eating at my favourite restaurant again after being deprived for 5 days while it was closed, does not mean I can do a happy dance in there; I have to remember if it's not a wedding or funeral COVID will get me. Why did security let it in?
- I planned a private party at my house, we'll be indoors & outdoors but there's only 20 people allowed now with the restrictions because COVID knows if there'll be 21 people at my house, but I need to invite at least 150 people so, panic over, I'll just move the party to a pub or restaurant, doesn't matter if it's an indoor or outdoor venue, as long as it's not a private gathering and now everyone can come.... and we can dance without the threat of COVID.
Unsure if my guests have to wear a mask though, maybe I'll have a themed masquerade party, when life gives you lemons ha.
If Marky boy can wear it on his eyes so can my guests
- We can't visit the elderly in the aged care homes as they're not allowed visitors. But I can get my long awaited boob job & Brazilian butt implants & my family and friends can visit me in hospital to check out my new tits and ass; obviously very important to me after being a whole 4 or so hours in surgery on my own without seeing family and friends.
- Kids go back to school on Monday, if your child is 12 on Monday they don't have to wear a mask, but on Tuesday if your child turns 13, they better get that mask on or risk a big fine, again how sophisticated is COVID that it knows your age?
- Teachers have to wear a mask but they can take it off while teaching, so clearly COVID is showing some signs of compassion in Australia and stays away so our kids can have an education, but is it?
This deadly virus is ready to pounce the minute the teacher stops teaching and forgets to put on the mask, so at some stage, in that staff room or in the corridors or in the playground, our teachers (definitely not anyone under 12) could get COVID and not be able to teach, therefore no education for the kids.
It's such a sneaky virus.
- Also even though last year we were advised to NOT wear masks by the minister for health to protect against COVID, I think it's best we just disregard that public statement and do exactly what they're telling us to do now.
So as we move into the next week with these small restrictions in place let's just take some time to take all that in.
Stay safe everyone, we've got this.
(actually don't say we've got this or you'll be getting shunned by the community)
Whine much? If we had every control to prevent covid people would complain about a police state. If we had no controls people would complain about the government not preventing people from getting covid. When we relax a few things to make life easier for people and business, people complain about the inconsistencies.
Doesn't seem that much of a burden to be a decent human being - wear a mask most of the time, support local business to stay afloat if you're comfortable, and don't dick about in big crowds that make it hard to trace if there is a positive case.
and maybe not whinge about having to wear a mask for all of two weeks for the first time since the pandemic started.
Select to expand quoteCH3MTR4IL5 said..kiterboy said..
Perth Covid Rules Explained. (Copy paste, I don't care. At least I got rid of all the emojis for you. You're welcome.)
So our 5 day full lockdown in Perth has officially been lifted due to 0 transmissions SO FAR of that 1 highly contagious UK strain of COVID.
From 6pm tonight (not 5.55pm) we are free to go back to some bit of normality but there's a few restrictions in place.
Now this is where it gets interesting, because I personally didn't realise how sophisticated COVID actually is, thank me later.
- I can go for a stroll around the neighbourhood, but I have to wear a mask because I can still catch COVID, now if I up my pace to a run (vigorous exercise) I can remove my mask, I presume it's because COVID can't keep up with my pace.
Wow, that's just amazing, never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd outrun a deadly virus
- Businesses that were closed can reopen, EXCEPT casinos and nightclubs, why?? Well because if you dance you can catch COVID, doh!
Always enjoyed a lil shuffle when I get a 15c win at the casino.
- it's ok though, all I need is an invitation to a wedding or funeral and I can enjoy a dance with the other 150 people at that function, because clearly COVID isn't getting an invite, bit rude to exclude but there you go.
- I have to wear a mask going in the door of a pub/restaurant, but when I'm eating or drinking I can remove it, I can only presume COVID is stuck at the door getting asked for ID; great, gives me enough time to inhale my dinner.
But just because I'm eating at my favourite restaurant again after being deprived for 5 days while it was closed, does not mean I can do a happy dance in there; I have to remember if it's not a wedding or funeral COVID will get me. Why did security let it in?
- I planned a private party at my house, we'll be indoors & outdoors but there's only 20 people allowed now with the restrictions because COVID knows if there'll be 21 people at my house, but I need to invite at least 150 people so, panic over, I'll just move the party to a pub or restaurant, doesn't matter if it's an indoor or outdoor venue, as long as it's not a private gathering and now everyone can come.... and we can dance without the threat of COVID.
Unsure if my guests have to wear a mask though, maybe I'll have a themed masquerade party, when life gives you lemons ha.
If Marky boy can wear it on his eyes so can my guests
- We can't visit the elderly in the aged care homes as they're not allowed visitors. But I can get my long awaited boob job & Brazilian butt implants & my family and friends can visit me in hospital to check out my new tits and ass; obviously very important to me after being a whole 4 or so hours in surgery on my own without seeing family and friends.
- Kids go back to school on Monday, if your child is 12 on Monday they don't have to wear a mask, but on Tuesday if your child turns 13, they better get that mask on or risk a big fine, again how sophisticated is COVID that it knows your age?
- Teachers have to wear a mask but they can take it off while teaching, so clearly COVID is showing some signs of compassion in Australia and stays away so our kids can have an education, but is it?
This deadly virus is ready to pounce the minute the teacher stops teaching and forgets to put on the mask, so at some stage, in that staff room or in the corridors or in the playground, our teachers (definitely not anyone under 12) could get COVID and not be able to teach, therefore no education for the kids.
It's such a sneaky virus.
- Also even though last year we were advised to NOT wear masks by the minister for health to protect against COVID, I think it's best we just disregard that public statement and do exactly what they're telling us to do now.
So as we move into the next week with these small restrictions in place let's just take some time to take all that in.
Stay safe everyone, we've got this.
(actually don't say we've got this or you'll be getting shunned by the community)
Whine much? If we had every control to prevent covid people would complain about a police state. If we had no controls people would complain about the government not preventing people from getting covid. When we relax a few things to make life easier for people and business, people complain about the inconsistencies.
Doesn't seem that much of a burden to be a decent human being - wear a mask most of the time, support local business to stay afloat if you're comfortable, and don't dick about in big crowds that make it hard to trace if there is a positive case.
and maybe not whinge about having to wear a mask for all of two weeks for the first time since the pandemic started.
Who's whining?
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Shouldn't this be in the WA section? (Whining Aussies)
That's the type of response from a Nonsense Spewing Welshman.
Its pretty simple really, highly trained medical specialists in this field recommended a lockdown for a few days and wear a mask to stop something that may get out of hand if no action taken.
Its always funny hearing people with no qualifications or medical training saying the experts have no idea and are wrong lol.
A few days of missing Perfffs awesome beach breaks and wearing a mask is not really much of an issue??? Is it??
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Its pretty simple really, highly trained medical specialists in this field recommended a lockdown for a few days and wear a mask to stop something that may get out of hand if no action taken.
Its always funny hearing people with no qualifications or medical training saying the experts have no idea and are wrong lol.
A few days of missing Perfffs awesome beach breaks and wearing a mask is not really much of an issue??? Is it??
Who's doubting highly trained medical specialists?
Select to expand quotekiterboy said..Baby-Formula said..
...and if people miss out on going to a nightclub for a few weeks, bad luck to them.
Ahhh...I get it now. If it's in your small sphere of interest, a compromise is ok, but if it's not, well screw those people eh?
We gotta keep the restaurants open, let people dine in, it's not like they can't adapt to take-away and delivery services...
Nightclubs can go suck it, bad luck, no compromise for them, who cares if they go bust.
Well, in my sphere of interest, which probably aligns with 90% of people, its a good compromise.
Nightclubs would be a disaster. A place I go to is okay early on, and people sit around and drink, but later it is very busy and with everyone drinking a bit, people are going to be close together, talking loudly, and not wearing masks at all. If one covid-positive person ends up in there, it could spread super quickly.
By contrast, you see a lot of people in restaurants in Northbridge, having a nice meal, not that close to each other, and less likely to spread anything.
When we were all locked down I felt very sorry for some of these restaurants. As you say, some can switch to takeaway, but there are others that just vanished. There was no easy way for them to do takeaway. Putting them back through this would be hard on them.
Most people this last week have been good about things. Just today I was asked to sign in twice when in a shopping centre. A minor pain, but if it makes tracing easier and potentially stopping the next outbreak quicker, I am all for it.
I am jealous of those people that had the foresight to buy trending cool looking masks. I just have crappy ones, and feel like I missed to memo about buying good masks.
Select to expand quoteBuster fin said..
Laverton.
jeez mate - quarantine isnt supposed to be punishment....
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Its pretty simple really, highly trained medical specialists in this field recommended a lockdown for a few days and wear a mask to stop something that may get out of hand if no action taken.
Its always funny hearing people with no qualifications or medical training saying the experts have no idea and are wrong lol.
A few days of missing Perfffs awesome beach breaks and wearing a mask is not really much of an issue??? Is it??
Ah I see...
Walking down the street, mandatory mask wearing.
Running down the street, no mask required.
Got it. It all makes sense now.
