Select to expand quoteTequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..
Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?
The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But
Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.
Get a effin grip dudes
Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.
Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.
Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT
You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.
Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.
Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?
Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.
China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.
I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.
Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.
Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.
So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.
No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.
Why do I find it very unlikely that you have read 'medical journals from France, Italy, Spain' and are instead just quoting something you were told or sent from someone else?
All the fools out there that think that a simple drug that everyone has is somehow the silver bullet and big-pharma is keeping it from them. This is completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of doctors out there that would happily use something that they knew worked.
We won't know what are effective treatments until people have looked at the outcomes and seen consistent responses. Without a doubt if someone has a consistent level of positive responses, everyone will hear about it and start using it.
What does "Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.' mean?
If 1 out of 10 are surviving, then your suggestion that ventilators are just delaying death, is obviously incorrect. Not quite "a fact" then is it?
Wow now you even know what I have or not read from other origins? Can you also guess other languages I am also fluent?
How about you? Can you read Espanol? Italiano?
Have we read clearly in this Biased Media world that the Ventilation is a last resort measure w little (10%) hope the people put into induced coma will walk out of it?
But a medicine sold without script w very low dosage is a huge issue.
Again
No issues anymore. BLM just proved that.
Funnily enough I can read a bit of Spanish. I still call your claim BS though. I very much doubt you would actually read medical journals, as the sort of person that reads those tend to have a bit more logical approach to applying drugs to diseases, not just random 'suck it and see' hail-mary attempts. Its very unlikely that someone reading medical journals would ignore the normal logic of running trials on them and seeing the result before claiming they work.
On the other hand, a conspiracy theorist spoon fed stuff from other people would make such a claim. It's easy to make a claim. Much harder to back it up with evidence.
You said that ventilators were just delaying death, and then say 90% die. What happens to the other 10%? They live, hence your argument doesn't make sense. Not ventilatiing these patients, clearly means immediate death as they cannot breathe for themselves. No one is saying its the way to a cure. It is just a way to keep those people alive until they recover, if they do. But then you know that, as you are fluent in at least three European languages and are scouring medical journals to compare results with treatments.
HERE - your beloved WHO flipped on the Hydroxicloroquine debacle AGAIN - Lets put our lives on their hands to see what they decide or not next week.
time.com/5847664/who-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19/
Ventilation DEATH RATE
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study
YEAH lets shove this corrugated plastic tube in everyone... people need to understand that is an Invasive technique, and from the numbers so far, people at certain age been knocked into induced coma won't come back.
Younger people been Ventilated yes they will survive. Yes they are the 10% that probably are coming back. The oldies don't.
Are you a doctor BTW, Puto ?
Oh no, you are showing the traits of a typical 'truther'. Don't get stuck on any point and just go onto a new one.
I think you are missing the point. At least 1 out of 10 people on ventilators survive, which means its not a waste of time. It's keeping them alive. What is your point relating to that? That its a waste of time because more than 10% survive? You would prefer them all to die?
I think your logic is faulty. Doctors do not just wack a tube in anybody. They do it when they know that patient cannot breathe on their own. Its not a choice unless you consider the choices to be 'let them die now, or see if they survive after using a ventilator'.
An induced coma is to prevent the patient suffering a huge amount of pain or to stop them moving. Its not done just for convenience.
I hope your use of 'puto' is not meant to be a spanish swear word that you can't even spell correctly? It must mean something else, but I have no idea what that is. Funny, if you spell that wrong, you really can't be any good at reading Spanish at all. Therefore it must mean something else.
So what is your point in summary?
Don't ventilate anyone and just let them die?
A malaria treatment drug can be used to treat a disease caused by a virus, even though there are no studies showing this?
That you read medical journals in other languages, but still don't understand them?
Your multi language skills are pretty ordinary?
Select to expand quoteholy guacamole said..
Guys guys guys...get a room FFS! 
Good point, we can move the discussion to heavy weather.
If you are not aware Holy Guacamole, its a place where some topics go to be argued about and consume time, but I think not everyone has access?
well, i was enjoying it. but to think there are ****wits out there that believe hydroc is the answer based on nothing....it's fricken scary.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..
Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?
The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But
Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.
Get a effin grip dudes
Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.
Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.
Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT
You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.
Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.
Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?
Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.
China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.
I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.
Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.
Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.
So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.
No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.
Why do I find it very unlikely that you have read 'medical journals from France, Italy, Spain' and are instead just quoting something you were told or sent from someone else?
All the fools out there that think that a simple drug that everyone has is somehow the silver bullet and big-pharma is keeping it from them. This is completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of doctors out there that would happily use something that they knew worked.
We won't know what are effective treatments until people have looked at the outcomes and seen consistent responses. Without a doubt if someone has a consistent level of positive responses, everyone will hear about it and start using it.
What does "Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.' mean?
If 1 out of 10 are surviving, then your suggestion that ventilators are just delaying death, is obviously incorrect. Not quite "a fact" then is it?
Wow now you even know what I have or not read from other origins? Can you also guess other languages I am also fluent?
How about you? Can you read Espanol? Italiano?
Have we read clearly in this Biased Media world that the Ventilation is a last resort measure w little (10%) hope the people put into induced coma will walk out of it?
But a medicine sold without script w very low dosage is a huge issue.
Again
No issues anymore. BLM just proved that.
Funnily enough I can read a bit of Spanish. I still call your claim BS though. I very much doubt you would actually read medical journals, as the sort of person that reads those tend to have a bit more logical approach to applying drugs to diseases, not just random 'suck it and see' hail-mary attempts. Its very unlikely that someone reading medical journals would ignore the normal logic of running trials on them and seeing the result before claiming they work.
On the other hand, a conspiracy theorist spoon fed stuff from other people would make such a claim. It's easy to make a claim. Much harder to back it up with evidence.
You said that ventilators were just delaying death, and then say 90% die. What happens to the other 10%? They live, hence your argument doesn't make sense. Not ventilatiing these patients, clearly means immediate death as they cannot breathe for themselves. No one is saying its the way to a cure. It is just a way to keep those people alive until they recover, if they do. But then you know that, as you are fluent in at least three European languages and are scouring medical journals to compare results with treatments.
HERE - your beloved WHO flipped on the Hydroxicloroquine debacle AGAIN - Lets put our lives on their hands to see what they decide or not next week.
time.com/5847664/who-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19/
Ventilation DEATH RATE
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study
YEAH lets shove this corrugated plastic tube in everyone... people need to understand that is an Invasive technique, and from the numbers so far, people at certain age been knocked into induced coma won't come back.
Younger people been Ventilated yes they will survive. Yes they are the 10% that probably are coming back. The oldies don't.
Are you a doctor BTW, Puto ?
Oh no, you are showing the traits of a typical 'truther'. Don't get stuck on any point and just go onto a new one.
I think you are missing the point. At least 1 out of 10 people on ventilators survive, which means its not a waste of time. It's keeping them alive. What is your point relating to that? That its a waste of time because more than 10% survive? You would prefer them all to die?
I think your logic is faulty. Doctors do not just wack a tube in anybody. They do it when they know that patient cannot breathe on their own. Its not a choice unless you consider the choices to be 'let them die now, or see if they survive after using a ventilator'.
An induced coma is to prevent the patient suffering a huge amount of pain or to stop them moving. Its not done just for convenience.
I hope your use of 'puto' is not meant to be a spanish swear word that you can't even spell correctly? It must mean something else, but I have no idea what that is. Funny, if you spell that wrong, you really can't be any good at reading Spanish at all. Therefore it must mean something else.
So what is your point in summary?
Don't ventilate anyone and just let them die?
A malaria treatment drug can be used to treat a disease caused by a virus, even though there are no studies showing this?
That you read medical journals in other languages, but still don't understand them?
Your multi language skills are pretty ordinary?
Haha, not spelt wrong but you pretty much got the meaning right. Very heavy weather.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..
Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?
The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But
Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.
Get a effin grip dudes
Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.
Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.
Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT
You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.
Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.
Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?
Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.
China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.
I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.
Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.
Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.
So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.
No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.
Why do I find it very unlikely that you have read 'medical journals from France, Italy, Spain' and are instead just quoting something you were told or sent from someone else?
All the fools out there that think that a simple drug that everyone has is somehow the silver bullet and big-pharma is keeping it from them. This is completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of doctors out there that would happily use something that they knew worked.
We won't know what are effective treatments until people have looked at the outcomes and seen consistent responses. Without a doubt if someone has a consistent level of positive responses, everyone will hear about it and start using it.
What does "Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.' mean?
If 1 out of 10 are surviving, then your suggestion that ventilators are just delaying death, is obviously incorrect. Not quite "a fact" then is it?
Wow now you even know what I have or not read from other origins? Can you also guess other languages I am also fluent?
How about you? Can you read Espanol? Italiano?
Have we read clearly in this Biased Media world that the Ventilation is a last resort measure w little (10%) hope the people put into induced coma will walk out of it?
But a medicine sold without script w very low dosage is a huge issue.
Again
No issues anymore. BLM just proved that.
Funnily enough I can read a bit of Spanish. I still call your claim BS though. I very much doubt you would actually read medical journals, as the sort of person that reads those tend to have a bit more logical approach to applying drugs to diseases, not just random 'suck it and see' hail-mary attempts. Its very unlikely that someone reading medical journals would ignore the normal logic of running trials on them and seeing the result before claiming they work.
On the other hand, a conspiracy theorist spoon fed stuff from other people would make such a claim. It's easy to make a claim. Much harder to back it up with evidence.
You said that ventilators were just delaying death, and then say 90% die. What happens to the other 10%? They live, hence your argument doesn't make sense. Not ventilatiing these patients, clearly means immediate death as they cannot breathe for themselves. No one is saying its the way to a cure. It is just a way to keep those people alive until they recover, if they do. But then you know that, as you are fluent in at least three European languages and are scouring medical journals to compare results with treatments.
HERE - your beloved WHO flipped on the Hydroxicloroquine debacle AGAIN - Lets put our lives on their hands to see what they decide or not next week.
time.com/5847664/who-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19/
Ventilation DEATH RATE
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study
YEAH lets shove this corrugated plastic tube in everyone... people need to understand that is an Invasive technique, and from the numbers so far, people at certain age been knocked into induced coma won't come back.
Younger people been Ventilated yes they will survive. Yes they are the 10% that probably are coming back. The oldies don't.
Are you a doctor BTW, Puto ?
Oh no, you are showing the traits of a typical 'truther'. Don't get stuck on any point and just go onto a new one.
I think you are missing the point. At least 1 out of 10 people on ventilators survive, which means its not a waste of time. It's keeping them alive. What is your point relating to that? That its a waste of time because more than 10% survive? You would prefer them all to die?
I think your logic is faulty. Doctors do not just wack a tube in anybody. They do it when they know that patient cannot breathe on their own. Its not a choice unless you consider the choices to be 'let them die now, or see if they survive after using a ventilator'.
An induced coma is to prevent the patient suffering a huge amount of pain or to stop them moving. Its not done just for convenience.
I hope your use of 'puto' is not meant to be a spanish swear word that you can't even spell correctly? It must mean something else, but I have no idea what that is. Funny, if you spell that wrong, you really can't be any good at reading Spanish at all. Therefore it must mean something else.
So what is your point in summary?
Don't ventilate anyone and just let them die?
A malaria treatment drug can be used to treat a disease caused by a virus, even though there are no studies showing this?
That you read medical journals in other languages, but still don't understand them?
Your multi language skills are pretty ordinary?
I am been straight to the point w my arguments, while you write a whole soap opera. So please enlighten us here Cabron, why is WHO backflipping on the drug? Just answer that.
Select to expand quoteTequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..FormulaNova said..Tequila ! said..
Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?
The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But
Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.
Get a effin grip dudes
Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.
Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.
Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT
You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.
Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.
Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?
Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.
China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.
I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.
Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.
Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.
So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.
No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.
Why do I find it very unlikely that you have read 'medical journals from France, Italy, Spain' and are instead just quoting something you were told or sent from someone else?
All the fools out there that think that a simple drug that everyone has is somehow the silver bullet and big-pharma is keeping it from them. This is completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of doctors out there that would happily use something that they knew worked.
We won't know what are effective treatments until people have looked at the outcomes and seen consistent responses. Without a doubt if someone has a consistent level of positive responses, everyone will hear about it and start using it.
What does "Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.' mean?
If 1 out of 10 are surviving, then your suggestion that ventilators are just delaying death, is obviously incorrect. Not quite "a fact" then is it?
Wow now you even know what I have or not read from other origins? Can you also guess other languages I am also fluent?
How about you? Can you read Espanol? Italiano?
Have we read clearly in this Biased Media world that the Ventilation is a last resort measure w little (10%) hope the people put into induced coma will walk out of it?
But a medicine sold without script w very low dosage is a huge issue.
Again
No issues anymore. BLM just proved that.
Funnily enough I can read a bit of Spanish. I still call your claim BS though. I very much doubt you would actually read medical journals, as the sort of person that reads those tend to have a bit more logical approach to applying drugs to diseases, not just random 'suck it and see' hail-mary attempts. Its very unlikely that someone reading medical journals would ignore the normal logic of running trials on them and seeing the result before claiming they work.
On the other hand, a conspiracy theorist spoon fed stuff from other people would make such a claim. It's easy to make a claim. Much harder to back it up with evidence.
You said that ventilators were just delaying death, and then say 90% die. What happens to the other 10%? They live, hence your argument doesn't make sense. Not ventilatiing these patients, clearly means immediate death as they cannot breathe for themselves. No one is saying its the way to a cure. It is just a way to keep those people alive until they recover, if they do. But then you know that, as you are fluent in at least three European languages and are scouring medical journals to compare results with treatments.
HERE - your beloved WHO flipped on the Hydroxicloroquine debacle AGAIN - Lets put our lives on their hands to see what they decide or not next week.
time.com/5847664/who-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19/
Ventilation DEATH RATE
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study
YEAH lets shove this corrugated plastic tube in everyone... people need to understand that is an Invasive technique, and from the numbers so far, people at certain age been knocked into induced coma won't come back.
Younger people been Ventilated yes they will survive. Yes they are the 10% that probably are coming back. The oldies don't.
Are you a doctor BTW, Puto ?
Oh no, you are showing the traits of a typical 'truther'. Don't get stuck on any point and just go onto a new one.
I think you are missing the point. At least 1 out of 10 people on ventilators survive, which means its not a waste of time. It's keeping them alive. What is your point relating to that? That its a waste of time because more than 10% survive? You would prefer them all to die?
I think your logic is faulty. Doctors do not just wack a tube in anybody. They do it when they know that patient cannot breathe on their own. Its not a choice unless you consider the choices to be 'let them die now, or see if they survive after using a ventilator'.
An induced coma is to prevent the patient suffering a huge amount of pain or to stop them moving. Its not done just for convenience.
I hope your use of 'puto' is not meant to be a spanish swear word that you can't even spell correctly? It must mean something else, but I have no idea what that is. Funny, if you spell that wrong, you really can't be any good at reading Spanish at all. Therefore it must mean something else.
So what is your point in summary?
Don't ventilate anyone and just let them die?
A malaria treatment drug can be used to treat a disease caused by a virus, even though there are no studies showing this?
That you read medical journals in other languages, but still don't understand them?
Your multi language skills are pretty ordinary?
I am been straight to the point w my arguments, while you write a whole soap opera. So please enlighten us here Cabron, why is WHO backflipping on the drug? Just answer that.
Nup, your arguments are rubbish and its not clear what you are arguing.
1. ventilators. They are a way to keep people alive. better than 10% survival rate.
2. Just because a drug is an existing one does not mean it works on a new virus.
3. Don't care about WHO.
Did I dumb it down enough for you?
What was your point on WHO?
(Oh no, I read your link on the WHO. For someone that reads in 3 languages at least, your understanding of the WHO link in English is a bit flawed. They suspended things and are now resuming them because they were concerned of the effects of it on the heart. Now they have decided to go ahead. Hardly flip-flopping, but they looked at the concerns, and then decided to go ahead. Sounds responsible to me.)
Don't spanish words have capitals only on Proper nouns?
Select to expand quoteSpotty said..
Where's the one that says I am a sheep and just copy Ben Garrison cartoons all the time? For someone that seemingly doesn't want to be told to think, you seem to have exactly the same thoughts as this guy.
Where's the one that says I am a consenting adult, I will risk my own demise and infect others if I choose. Or Covid19 is just the flu, if I contract it medical treatment is not required.
I heard an interview last night where they mentioned the US is going to be inundated with the biggest disinformation campaigns in history for the election. Trump being one of the masters at it with the democrats following behind in spending money so cant match the republicans.
Left / Right thing is a sham to get you to believe you have a choice.
Trump supported the lockdown
The movement that will topple The Order will be extremely simple and most effective. It will be ten thousand or a million Americans who come to the conclusion that they don't want the State to be boss, that they prefer to live under the protection of the Constitution. They will make their own independent decision to thwart The Order and it will take ten thousand or a million forms." (55)
www.henrymakow.com/000166.html
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Where's the one that says I am a sheep and just copy Ben Garrison cartoons all the time? For someone that seemingly doesn't want to be told to think, you seem to have exactly the same thoughts as this guy.
And he's a prize putz just pumping out half smart ill conceived alt right memes. Pick your heroes Spotty.
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Where's the one that says I am a sheep and just copy Ben Garrison cartoons all the time? For someone that seemingly doesn't want to be told to think, you seem to have exactly the same thoughts as this guy.
And he's a prize putz just pumping out half smart ill conceived alt right memes. Pick your heroes Spotty.
Meme after meme after meme....same tired old paranoid bull dust.
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I noticed the looters did not steal any work boots
They did clear out the Lego store in NY. That'll really show Trump, the police and the capitalists!
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Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?
The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But
Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.
Get a effin grip dudes
Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.
Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.
Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT
You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.
Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.
Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?
Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.
China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.
I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.
Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.
Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.
So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.
No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.
Why do I find it very unlikely that you have read 'medical journals from France, Italy, Spain' and are instead just quoting something you were told or sent from someone else?
All the fools out there that think that a simple drug that everyone has is somehow the silver bullet and big-pharma is keeping it from them. This is completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of doctors out there that would happily use something that they knew worked.
We won't know what are effective treatments until people have looked at the outcomes and seen consistent responses. Without a doubt if someone has a consistent level of positive responses, everyone will hear about it and start using it.
What does "Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.' mean?
If 1 out of 10 are surviving, then your suggestion that ventilators are just delaying death, is obviously incorrect. Not quite "a fact" then is it?
Wow now you even know what I have or not read from other origins? Can you also guess other languages I am also fluent?
How about you? Can you read Espanol? Italiano?
Have we read clearly in this Biased Media world that the Ventilation is a last resort measure w little (10%) hope the people put into induced coma will walk out of it?
But a medicine sold without script w very low dosage is a huge issue.
Again
No issues anymore. BLM just proved that.
Funnily enough I can read a bit of Spanish. I still call your claim BS though. I very much doubt you would actually read medical journals, as the sort of person that reads those tend to have a bit more logical approach to applying drugs to diseases, not just random 'suck it and see' hail-mary attempts. Its very unlikely that someone reading medical journals would ignore the normal logic of running trials on them and seeing the result before claiming they work.
On the other hand, a conspiracy theorist spoon fed stuff from other people would make such a claim. It's easy to make a claim. Much harder to back it up with evidence.
You said that ventilators were just delaying death, and then say 90% die. What happens to the other 10%? They live, hence your argument doesn't make sense. Not ventilatiing these patients, clearly means immediate death as they cannot breathe for themselves. No one is saying its the way to a cure. It is just a way to keep those people alive until they recover, if they do. But then you know that, as you are fluent in at least three European languages and are scouring medical journals to compare results with treatments.
HERE - your beloved WHO flipped on the Hydroxicloroquine debacle AGAIN - Lets put our lives on their hands to see what they decide or not next week.
time.com/5847664/who-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19/
Ventilation DEATH RATE
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study
YEAH lets shove this corrugated plastic tube in everyone... people need to understand that is an Invasive technique, and from the numbers so far, people at certain age been knocked into induced coma won't come back.
Younger people been Ventilated yes they will survive. Yes they are the 10% that probably are coming back. The oldies don't.
Are you a doctor BTW, Puto ?
Oh no, you are showing the traits of a typical 'truther'. Don't get stuck on any point and just go onto a new one.
I think you are missing the point. At least 1 out of 10 people on ventilators survive, which means its not a waste of time. It's keeping them alive. What is your point relating to that? That its a waste of time because more than 10% survive? You would prefer them all to die?
I think your logic is faulty. Doctors do not just wack a tube in anybody. They do it when they know that patient cannot breathe on their own. Its not a choice unless you consider the choices to be 'let them die now, or see if they survive after using a ventilator'.
An induced coma is to prevent the patient suffering a huge amount of pain or to stop them moving. Its not done just for convenience.
I hope your use of 'puto' is not meant to be a spanish swear word that you can't even spell correctly? It must mean something else, but I have no idea what that is. Funny, if you spell that wrong, you really can't be any good at reading Spanish at all. Therefore it must mean something else.
So what is your point in summary?
Don't ventilate anyone and just let them die?
A malaria treatment drug can be used to treat a disease caused by a virus, even though there are no studies showing this?
That you read medical journals in other languages, but still don't understand them?
Your multi language skills are pretty ordinary?
I am been straight to the point w my arguments, while you write a whole soap opera. So please enlighten us here Cabron, why is WHO backflipping on the drug? Just answer that.
Nup, your arguments are rubbish and its not clear what you are arguing.
1. ventilators. They are a way to keep people alive. better than 10% survival rate.
2. Just because a drug is an existing one does not mean it works on a new virus.
3. Don't care about WHO.
Did I dumb it down enough for you?
What was your point on WHO?
(Oh no, I read your link on the WHO. For someone that reads in 3 languages at least, your understanding of the WHO link in English is a bit flawed. They suspended things and are now resuming them because they were concerned of the effects of it on the heart. Now they have decided to go ahead. Hardly flip-flopping, but they looked at the concerns, and then decided to go ahead. Sounds responsible to me.)
Don't spanish words have capitals only on Proper nouns?
Thanks Dumber. I read and post here when I have little breaks from work, so it helps to get straight to the point.
Send your mobile number, I will call you and then you can test my language skills in the speaking form.
I have two family members who work with health, one one them is a Pneumologist, the other a nurse. Both work overseas in a country which where a lot more affected than us here in Australia. So they are battling this shait in the front right now, and guess what I trust them more than you :)
Believe it or not, I don't effing care, Putita.
Another comment from the Silent majority to the Fringe thinkers here is this :
-Was Australia and NZ great result in taming the Virus due to Competence and actions from Leaders or more to LUCK ?
My guess is both. No guilt in taking advantage when luck helps you too. Been isolated, low density society with a social fabric that allowed people to bail work for 8-10 weeks it gave results to Australia.
However, the remedy here wouldn't work or do more damage in some other locations. Try locking in a billion people in India without the social security and food to see what happens...
Enough of Seabreeze this month, I will come back in July. Keep going fellas.
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Medicine that exists for over 60 years, no patents, cheap and sold without script. Reumatism patients used it normally, and taken as prophilatic measure prior travel where Malaria is endemic.
Trump mentions it - becomes the worst poison in the world to all the media...OMS flip flops, skewed medical trials- which big lab would promote a drug that is cheap and wouldnt be exclusive to them?
The Political/Commercial edge of this Pandemic is been disgusting.
But
Suddendly taking the streets to protest and break/loot is morally acceptable - resuming work/study etc you are not.
Get a effin grip dudes
Just because a drug is out of patent protection and helps with some things does not mean it automatically is good for anything you decide on that day. No conspiracy here, just normal investigation, and guess what, its the wrong drug for the application.
Sure, pharmecutical companies would not promote an existing drug, but the world is not ruled by pharmecutical companies, despite what you want to imagein.
Yes...Australians are too soft for it. My 75 yrs old mom uses that for 10 years at least without issues. FACT
You guys in your hatred for Trump would jump ship without a floatie.
Me? I would use whatever its in hand. We are in unprecedented times. If its right or wrong the winners version of the story will prevail in the end.
But
BLM ! No need for the drugs anyway we are marching on the street! But give 5k fine for someone caught in the street flouting you Pandemic rules.
Bunch of sooks we all are. China is open for you business BTW while the economy fallout in the western world will take a decade to readjust and recover.
Right, your mum had Covid19 for ten years did she?
Lets treat brain tumours with paracetamol then. Sure, its been around for ages, and even though its a completely different disease, it works on headaches, so I am sure its something the pharmecutical companies are hiding from us.
China has almost unique control. They have a single government with absolute control. They want to do something, they just do it. if you can't see this, you aren't looking very hard.
I think you are over-estimating people's hatred for Trump. He appears to be an idiot that just regurgitates stuff without any real understanding. There are probably lots of people like me that look at this and think he is not the best statesman, but he has some good ideas as well. It doesn't mean that any brain fart he has is a good idea though.
Read European medical journals from France, Italy, Spain. Looks like that drug w Zinc, at early onset on simptoms have helped to contain the disease.
Not huge doses to who is already in a ventilator.
Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.
So yes, give any drug to who is already in the brink of departing this world wont make difference. Blame the dog err drug.
No reason for drugs anyway...it was all a hoax...protests matter.
Why do I find it very unlikely that you have read 'medical journals from France, Italy, Spain' and are instead just quoting something you were told or sent from someone else?
All the fools out there that think that a simple drug that everyone has is somehow the silver bullet and big-pharma is keeping it from them. This is completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of doctors out there that would happily use something that they knew worked.
We won't know what are effective treatments until people have looked at the outcomes and seen consistent responses. Without a doubt if someone has a consistent level of positive responses, everyone will hear about it and start using it.
What does "Now its a fact that Ventilators are only delaying death, since 9 of 10 people put in ventilators leave the hospital in a body bag.' mean?
If 1 out of 10 are surviving, then your suggestion that ventilators are just delaying death, is obviously incorrect. Not quite "a fact" then is it?
Wow now you even know what I have or not read from other origins? Can you also guess other languages I am also fluent?
How about you? Can you read Espanol? Italiano?
Have we read clearly in this Biased Media world that the Ventilation is a last resort measure w little (10%) hope the people put into induced coma will walk out of it?
But a medicine sold without script w very low dosage is a huge issue.
Again
No issues anymore. BLM just proved that.
Funnily enough I can read a bit of Spanish. I still call your claim BS though. I very much doubt you would actually read medical journals, as the sort of person that reads those tend to have a bit more logical approach to applying drugs to diseases, not just random 'suck it and see' hail-mary attempts. Its very unlikely that someone reading medical journals would ignore the normal logic of running trials on them and seeing the result before claiming they work.
On the other hand, a conspiracy theorist spoon fed stuff from other people would make such a claim. It's easy to make a claim. Much harder to back it up with evidence.
You said that ventilators were just delaying death, and then say 90% die. What happens to the other 10%? They live, hence your argument doesn't make sense. Not ventilatiing these patients, clearly means immediate death as they cannot breathe for themselves. No one is saying its the way to a cure. It is just a way to keep those people alive until they recover, if they do. But then you know that, as you are fluent in at least three European languages and are scouring medical journals to compare results with treatments.
HERE - your beloved WHO flipped on the Hydroxicloroquine debacle AGAIN - Lets put our lives on their hands to see what they decide or not next week.
time.com/5847664/who-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19/
Ventilation DEATH RATE
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-22/almost-9-in-10-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators-died-in-study
YEAH lets shove this corrugated plastic tube in everyone... people need to understand that is an Invasive technique, and from the numbers so far, people at certain age been knocked into induced coma won't come back.
Younger people been Ventilated yes they will survive. Yes they are the 10% that probably are coming back. The oldies don't.
Are you a doctor BTW, Puto ?
Oh no, you are showing the traits of a typical 'truther'. Don't get stuck on any point and just go onto a new one.
I think you are missing the point. At least 1 out of 10 people on ventilators survive, which means its not a waste of time. It's keeping them alive. What is your point relating to that? That its a waste of time because more than 10% survive? You would prefer them all to die?
I think your logic is faulty. Doctors do not just wack a tube in anybody. They do it when they know that patient cannot breathe on their own. Its not a choice unless you consider the choices to be 'let them die now, or see if they survive after using a ventilator'.
An induced coma is to prevent the patient suffering a huge amount of pain or to stop them moving. Its not done just for convenience.
I hope your use of 'puto' is not meant to be a spanish swear word that you can't even spell correctly? It must mean something else, but I have no idea what that is. Funny, if you spell that wrong, you really can't be any good at reading Spanish at all. Therefore it must mean something else.
So what is your point in summary?
Don't ventilate anyone and just let them die?
A malaria treatment drug can be used to treat a disease caused by a virus, even though there are no studies showing this?
That you read medical journals in other languages, but still don't understand them?
Your multi language skills are pretty ordinary?
I am been straight to the point w my arguments, while you write a whole soap opera. So please enlighten us here Cabron, why is WHO backflipping on the drug? Just answer that.
Nup, your arguments are rubbish and its not clear what you are arguing.
1. ventilators. They are a way to keep people alive. better than 10% survival rate.
2. Just because a drug is an existing one does not mean it works on a new virus.
3. Don't care about WHO.
Did I dumb it down enough for you?
What was your point on WHO?
(Oh no, I read your link on the WHO. For someone that reads in 3 languages at least, your understanding of the WHO link in English is a bit flawed. They suspended things and are now resuming them because they were concerned of the effects of it on the heart. Now they have decided to go ahead. Hardly flip-flopping, but they looked at the concerns, and then decided to go ahead. Sounds responsible to me.)
Don't spanish words have capitals only on Proper nouns?
Thanks Dumber. I read and post here when I have little breaks from work, so it helps to get straight to the point.
Send your mobile number, I will call you and then you can test my language skills in the speaking form.
I have two family members who work with health, one one them is a Pneumologist, the other a nurse. Both work overseas in a country which where a lot more affected than us here in Australia. So they are battling this shait in the front right now, and guess what I trust them more than you :)
Believe it or not, I don't effing care, Putita.
Another comment from the Silent majority to the Fringe thinkers here is this :
-Was Australia and NZ great result in taming the Virus due to Competence and actions from Leaders or more to LUCK ?
My guess is both. No guilt in taking advantage when luck helps you too. Been isolated, low density society with a social fabric that allowed people to bail work for 8-10 weeks it gave results to Australia.
However, the remedy here wouldn't work or do more damage in some other locations. Try locking in a billion people in India without the social security and food to see what happens...
Enough of Seabreeze this month, I will come back in July. Keep going fellas.
I see, drop down to insults because you can't hold a discussion and then run off. Okay. I am sure you can speak something, you seem pretty good at swear words, which puts you on at least the level of a kid, but your comprehension seems to be a let down. You still haven't figured out that you don't capitalise those words... What does that make you, some speaker of a foreign language, but not good with details? Yipee!
Whilst I have a lot of respect for nurses, I have met some dumb ones. No doubt there are smart ones too, but they are not doctors. I wonder if ANY of them recommend using untested drugs (with a bit of zinc) to treat new diseases? I doubt it. Most nurses are not that dumb.
You are hinting, but not actually saying, that these medical professionals are agreeing with your thoughts on how to treat this infection, but then you say they are in country which is a lot more affected. I wonder if you see the fault in that logic?
I look forward to your 'nugget' of wisdom when you drop-in in July.
NZ has two international airports. The country was locked down before the Chinese university students could return from summer holidays so there's most of the vectors shut down.
The US apparently has 149 international airports...
