Select to expand quoteRupert said..TonyAbbott said; "Imagine that, they find something that helps.......wait,
Are you suggesting that a bad thing?"
No I'm not, where did you get that idea from? I hope they find something and find it fast but my comment was why limit trials to just one drug, hydroxychloroquine a quinine based anti-malarial, or is the Covid19 virus similar in composition to whatever is passed from mosquito to human that causes malaria?
Fair enough, I miss read your post.
Hydroxychloroquine is being trialled because doctors are already prescribing it for their covid19 patients and claiming positive results. It is not just a trials of any random drug.
Trump is taking it as a preventative, as the 1000's of Australian medical pers will for the trial. So this is different to patients that already have the wuhan Flu. It is worth studying.
For covid patients, this drug needs to be combined with other drug/supplements. One of those is zinc. Hydroxychloroquine helps carry zinc into the cells. The zinc is having an impact. Zinc is also good for treating the common cold.
Because Trump is also taking it, people like Logman and bono are being triggered and are trying to undermine the drugs potential. People in influential positions are undermining it, doctors are being prevented from prescribing it in America due to their Trump Derangement Syndrome. As per my previous popular funny meme:
www.newswars.com/la-doctor-uses-hydroxychloroquine-and-zinc-to-treat-covid-19-patients/
www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200409/chloroquine-zinc-tested-to-block-covid-infection
www.willardsolomon.com/blog/la-doc-touts-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-combo-patients-basically-symptom-free-in-hours/
nationalfile.com/busted-media-uses-va-study-to-launch-easily-debunked-attack-on-hydroxychloroquine/
Select to expand quoteRupert said..TonyAbbott said; "Imagine that, they find something that helps.......wait,
Are you suggesting that a bad thing?"
No I'm not, where did you get that idea from? I hope they find something and find it fast but my comment was why limit trials to just one drug, hydroxychloroquine a quinine based anti-malarial, or is the Covid19 virus similar in composition to whatever is passed from mosquito to human that causes malaria?
There are other promising drugs being tested as well. Hydroxychloroquine was actually found by a Brisbane research team when it killed off the virus in lab samples. Australia doesn't have enough cases to actually do much meaningfull testing though and making that work in a human body is always a bit more challenging. Results are nothing but anecdotal until proper trials can have results analysed.
It's a known drug, needs no human trails to ensure safety and is cheap, so it's being used. Which is smart. Any new treatment has to go through massive tests before being considered safe and effective.
Unfortunately because Trump thought it might be a usefull drug many are dismissing it, and even outright attacking it. Which is crazy, who cares what your political views are, if it helps then great.
People are dumb.
This is something to thank the China flu for...
www.businessinsider.com/buzzfeed-shuts-down-news-operations-in-uk-and-australia-2020-5
If you have to ask I guess um you have a way to go yet, but at least you are enquiring,.... there is hope yet 
Baahuhhaaahaaaaa
Billy Boy and his comforting pink sweater and big smile love you, So Getcha Shot Beastie Boys style...it will be so fine for all
Yep, a little way to go yet before I give up on logic and analytical thinking and let some website tell me what to think in the guise of preventing me falling for what everyone else is being told to think.
Mainstream media telling me what to think = brainwashing
Alternative media telling me what to think = educating myself
Trying to understand what any media is telling me and applying my own thinking to it = what a normal person does
Hydroxychloroquine = key ingredient in chemtrails. Why do you think governments started pushing it as soon as all the planes stopped...
Select to expand quoteCH3MTR4IL5 said..
Hydroxychloroquine = key ingredient in chemtrails. Why do you think governments started pushing it as soon as all the planes stopped...WRONG, all you have to do is ask Bill Boy what's in them', been "trialing" them for years , he and his death
cult are just telling you there thinking about doing what they have already been doing BaaaaHaaaaHHaaa
banned.video/watch?id=5ed199c6ef3949002fba4b41
www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or
Trump is a perfect example of dumb self-administration of drugs that is by all accounts, unsafe outside a hospital or trial situation.
At present anecdotal evidence indicates the drug may be killing more people than it's saving.
The political ideology of those who are generally of a conservative leaning mean that when a buffoon like Trump speaks, you tend to listen. You may even see this as some sort of free thinking when in truth it's just dumb.
How many times does Trump need to stuff up before you stop listening?
Meanwhile, Australian conservatives say dumb stuff like: www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-21/has-hydroxychloroquine-helped-australia-flatten-the-death-curve/12256996
I'm not against trials, I'm against the cavalier approach and statements that conservatives make about this particular drug in relation to Covid-19.
Select to expand quoteholy guacamole said..
.....At present anecdotal evidence indicates the drug may be ....
Holy guacamole ! - that's practically empirical then.
Case closed.
The science is in.
Whoooa....it's just the Federal Drug Administration issuing a warning to dumb people against self-administration of drugs....
Empirical evidence you say Carantoc? Well that's better than trying to come up with a story to fit a pre-determined result, wouldn't you say?
Empirical is something like...."Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks". That kind of thing. Or is that in fact, a conspiracy theory?
Select to expand quoteholy guacamole said..
Whoooa....it's just the Federal Drug Administration issuing a warning to dumb people against self-administration of drugs....
Empirical evidence you say Carantoc? Well that's better than trying to come up with a story to fit a pre-determined result, wouldn't you say?
Empirical is something like...."Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks". That kind of thing. Or is that in fact, a conspiracy theory?
Bono bono bono
Select to expand quotemyusernam said..Bono bono bonoholy guacamole said..
Whoooa....it's just the Federal Drug Administration issuing a warning to dumb people against self-administration of drugs....
Empirical evidence you say Carantoc? Well that's better than trying to come up with a story to fit a pre-determined result, wouldn't you say?
Empirical is something like...."Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks". That kind of thing. Or is that in fact, conspiracy theory?
Why the obsession with Bono? Cher's definitely more attractive. What about Cher, you always seem to forget her?
Select to expand quoteholy guacamole said..
www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or
Trump is a perfect example of dumb self-administration of drugs that is by all accounts, unsafe outside a hospital or trial situation.
At present anecdotal evidence indicates the drug may be killing more people than it's saving.
The political ideology of those who are generally of a conservative leaning mean that when a buffoon like Trump speaks, you tend to listen. You may even see this as some sort of free thinking when in truth it's just dumb.
How many times does Trump need to stuff up before you stop listening?
Meanwhile, Australian conservatives say dumb stuff like: www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-21/has-hydroxychloroquine-helped-australia-flatten-the-death-curve/12256996
I'm not against trials, I'm against the cavalier approach and statements that conservatives make about this particular drug in relation to Covid-19.
Just as a question, because I don't know...how do you know Trump is/was self administering (ie without perscription or professional dose regulation) rather than taking the drug as prescribed by a medical professional? ie as advised by the FDA?
Select to expand quoteParadox said..Just as a question, because I don't know...how do you know Trump is/was self administering (ie without perscription or professional dose regulation) rather than taking the drug as prescribed by a medical professional? ie as advised by the FDA?holy guacamole said..
www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or
Trump is a perfect example of dumb self-administration of drugs that is by all accounts, unsafe outside a hospital or trial situation.
At present anecdotal evidence indicates the drug may be killing more people than it's saving.
The political ideology of those who are generally of a conservative leaning mean that when a buffoon like Trump speaks, you tend to listen. You may even see this as some sort of free thinking when in truth it's just dumb.
How many times does Trump need to stuff up before you stop listening?
Meanwhile, Australian conservatives say dumb stuff like: www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-21/has-hydroxychloroquine-helped-australia-flatten-the-death-curve/12256996
I'm not against trials, I'm against the cavalier approach and statements that conservatives make about this particular drug in relation to Covid-19.
How you ask? He told the world...
www.theaustralian.com.au/world/coronavirus-donald-trump-selfprescribes-unproven-hydroxychloroquine-treatment/news-story/1091354dfcc2c3d8fd254e8515a70e2b
or
www.foxnews.com/media/dr-manny-trump-highly-irresponsible-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus
or
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52717161
or
www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/05/19/trump-hydroxychloroquine-science/
Or any media source really.
But hey, who's surprised you're even asking such a question?
Now I'm guessing you're going to raise the semantic point that the White House Medical Officer (an Osteopath) consulted with the president but the prescription, whether "official" or not is without a scientific medical basis.
Therefore it's no more guaranteed than self-administration.
"right wing propaganda"
www.google.co.nz/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-australian/%3famp
"Overall, we rate The Australian Right-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the right. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to a clean fact check record."
Is this another example of the left's propaganda or their desire for diversity in anything but diversity of opinion?
Oh let's look at the Guardian shall we...
mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/
"Overall, we rate The Guardian Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks over the last 5 years."
So, as "biased" as each other the only difference being.... The Australian hadn't failed a fact-check.
Was the word you used "propaganda"? I don't think that's the right word.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
"right wing propaganda"
www.google.co.nz/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-australian/%3famp
"Overall, we rate The Australian Right-Center biased based on story selection and editorial positions that favor the right. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to a clean fact check record."
Is this another example of the left's propaganda or their desire for diversity in anything but diversity of opinion?
Oh let's look at the Guardian shall we...
mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-guardian/
"Overall, we rate The Guardian Left-Center biased based on story selection that moderately favors the left and Mixed for factual reporting due to numerous failed fact checks over the last 5 years."
So, as "biased" as each other the only difference being.... The Australian hadn't failed a fact-check.
Was the word you used "propaganda"? I don't think that's the right word.
Trump's using pseudo-science. Doesn't matter where the story's coming from.
Encouraging people to use an un-proven treatment is reckless nonsense.
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..
According to The Lancet, hydroxychloroquine is a little worse than useless.
www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31180-6/fulltext
10?698 (11?1%) patients died in hospital. After controlling for multiple confounding factors (age, sex, race or ethnicity, body-mass index, underlying cardiovascular disease and its risk factors, diabetes, underlying lung disease, smoking, immunosuppressed condition, and baseline disease severity), when compared with mortality in the control group (9?3%), hydroxychloroquine (18?0%; hazard ratio 1?335, 95% CI 1?223-1?457), hydroxychloroquine with a macrolide (23?8%; 1?447, 1?368-1?531), chloroquine (16?4%; 1?365, 1?218-1?531), and chloroquine with a macrolide (22?2%; 1?368, 1?273-1?469) were each independently associated with an increased risk of in-hospital mortality.
Trump said it would work, so it wouldn't. It doesn't.
Next: "Magic", and then injecting sunlight, or bleach.
...it blows my mind none of that is made up.
Select to expand quoteholy guacamole said..
Doesn't matter where the story's coming from.
It's important enough for you to comment on the political leaning and quality of the source (and be wrong about it), and then later edit your post to remove your description of the source
I mean, cos you're so down with the facts and all...
"It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit."
- Noel Coward, Blithe Spirit
"" "It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit."
- Noel Coward, Blithe Spirit
""
- PeterMac, Seabreeze 2/6/2020
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..holy guacamole said..
Doesn't matter where the story's coming from.
It's important enough for you to comment on the political leaning and quality of the source (and be wrong about it), and then later edit your post to remove your description of the source
I mean, cos you're so down with the facts and all...
Par for the course mate, this is a typical trait of a former prominent poster on HW, it seems "old habits die hard".......hmmmmm I wonder
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Select to expand quotepetermac33 said..
"It's discouraging to think how many people are shocked by honesty and how few by deceit."
- Noel Coward, Blithe Spirit
You do realise that Noel Cowards "Blithe Spirit" was a fictional piece involving seances, spiritualists/mediums and ghosts, originally written as a play for the stage, later adapted as a movie, radio and TV series.
Next quote please. 
Soon we should see 10's or 100's of thousands of american lefties and democrats with covid19, or.......
The lefties were over-exaggerating how bad covid-19 was in order to destroy the economy
