Select to expand quoteTonyAbbott said..
The first nurses in the UK to get the vaccine are doing great, look for yourselves
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/
23 now dead not that it will make an ounce of difference to pro vaxxers when their ego is at stake.
I read the posted link, and this is exactly why the rest of the population needs the vaccination, to protect those we now know shouldn't receive the vaccination.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
nypost.com/2021/01/15/23-die-in-norway-after-receiving-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine/
23 now dead not that it will make an ounce of difference to pro vaxxers when their ego is at stake.
As an anti-vaxxer, would you agree with the following logic:
1. You don't need a vaccine as it is not required for you to be safe from this virus
2. Vaccines are dangerous and should not be mandatory
3. You will not catch the virus anyway because it is not real/not as bad as they say/only a problem for other people
Therefore, would you accept that it makes sense for you and people like you to be deliberately exposed to the virus. If it is real you will probably catch it. If it is not real, you won't. Once you have caught the virus you will find out if its not dangerous or if it is. Either way you will know.
How about it? Volunteer to get exposed to the virus, and help people out. Best case you will know the truth. Worst case you will be immune and help the rest of us with herd immnity. You will also not have to give in to taking a vaccine. No nasty vaccine to worry about, but immunity once you are over the virus.
Maybe it would be a good idea to collect up all the people that disagree with vaccines and have them work at a medi-hotel somewhere remote? That way the returned people would have someone to look after them and you would find out if the virus is a real problem or not?
Select to expand quoteMr Milk said..Kamikuza said..Mr Milk said..
But the disease has been kept out of NZ by strong border control and a hard lockdown. That can't go on forever.
Arguing against the vaccine because a small number of people have a bad reaction makes about as much sense as saying that bushfire fighters shouldn't do backburns because a few trees get burned.
Right, which means they can't open the country until the rest of the world has sorted itself out.
No no no... not arguing against a vaccine FFS, relax. If you're going with analogy, then get it right: what happened in Norway is like doing back burns and burning down some houses with people inside; then concluding "well that's fine, we got our back burn done what's the problem? The rest of the forest is ok."
And after all, aren't we doing all this to keep poor old Grannie out of the morgue...? One death is too many and all that ... and yet suddenly people are being all blas? about people dying of ... COVID measures.
Perhaps the testing shouldn't have been so rushed...?
You're quite right. They don't have bushfires in Norway. I'd like to be able to draw an appropriate analogy for the Scandinavians, but I don't know enough about lemmings.
However, in favour of backburning, the fire is generally cooler, so the worms in the soil under the forest don't get fried. That leaves a space for ivermectin to do its stuff
That's the problem with analogies: they usually don't work the way you expect them to once they get outside your mind.
For instance, I'm sure you weren't suggesting that the "elderly and frail" were the deadwood that needed to be burned off to protect the rest of the forest...
Or were you? 
Corporate Australia coming on board on que to support the shot.
www.perthnow.com.au/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-gerry-harvey-says-shoppers-may-avoid-outlets-where-staff-have-not-been-vaccinated-ng-95f0e2975c6bdede5d7a04d1e84ad410
"If one of your staff says they're not prepared to take that jab, how do we treat that?"
Well you can see where this is going - refuse to take it and you will be sacked.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
Corporate Australia coming on board on que to support the shot.
www.perthnow.com.au/business/retail/coronavirus-australia-gerry-harvey-says-shoppers-may-avoid-outlets-where-staff-have-not-been-vaccinated-ng-95f0e2975c6bdede5d7a04d1e84ad410
"If one of your staff says they're not prepared to take that jab, how do we treat that?"
Well you can see where this is going - refuse to take it and you will be sacked.
Well the owners should be at the front of the line if that is the case
Not sure there is a better doco out there explaining where we are headed.
brandnewtube.com/watch/the-new-normal-documentary_ecuUiUhHpP9INeh.html
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
Not sure there is a better doco out there explaining where we are headed.
brandnewtube.com/watch/the-new-normal-documentary_ecuUiUhHpP9INeh.html
Can you summarise it for those idiots like myself? I have had a few vaccines over the years and my comprehension is slowing.
Someone remind me again, what was the conspiracy of the month before Coronavirus came along? Is it still a thing? Has it been solved? Has everyone forgotten about it?
Is the New normal where we are the same as before but accept that wearing masks when sick is a good idea?
Four nurses in a small hospital refuse to give the shots as they are not comfortable they are safe.
nypost.com/2021/01/16/kansas-nurses-refuse-to-give-covid-19-vaccines/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
Four nurses in a small hospital refuse to give the shots as they are not comfortable they are safe.
nypost.com/2021/01/16/kansas-nurses-refuse-to-give-covid-19-vaccines/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Four...nurses ,ok
Abc had a guy on today saying we should be cautious as there have been cases of bells palsy amongst a few other major consequences
I know msm giving bad news and we should not believe msm
So a real life situation for you to contemplate.
I live in France, my father inlaw is in his late 70's and has various ongoing health problems so a very weak immune system. He has been to see his specialist in Monaco recently.
The specialist said " there is a very small risk the vaccine could have a bad outcome for you(death) there is a very high risk of catching the virus and a very,very high risk it will kill you in your situation. So what do you do??
We need to stop the spread of this as quick as possible. The doctor was for vaccinations.
They are very open about the risks here and telling people that have any sort of allergy or reaction to past vaccines probably shouldn't take it.
If I was in Australia I wouldn't be so keen. But in other parts of the world hospitals are overflowing again.
Should governments be doing something else rather than forcing people to be vaccinated? Go back into full lockdown again?
Select to expand quotetarquin1 said..
So a real life situation for you to contemplate.
I live in France, my father inlaw is in his late 70's and has various ongoing health problems so a very weak immune system. He has been to see his specialist in Monaco recently.
The specialist said " there is a very small risk the vaccine could have a bad outcome for you(death) there is a very high risk of catching the virus and a very,very high risk it will kill you in your situation. So what do you do??
We need to stop the spread of this as quick as possible. The doctor was for vaccinations.
They are very open about the risks here and telling people that have any sort of allergy or reaction to past vaccines probably shouldn't take it.
If I was in Australia I wouldn't be so keen. But in other parts of the world hospitals are overflowing again.
Should governments be doing something else rather than forcing people to be vaccinated? Go back into full lockdown again?
Yes my relatives in Hungary and my wifes family is Serbia are in massive trouble...
No government money,no way to make money ,no food and the hospital system has broken down ..very scary
But rest assure Australia, it is just a flu 
In various parts of the U.K. restrictions extend to tier 4 and 5.
In Spain and Italy there have been many protests against the harsh lockdowns.
How long do the people have to live under such restrictions? Part of a new normal perhaps?
Here is a nice song that sums up what many are going through.
A 'Storm' that hopefully will end.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
In various parts of the U.K. restrictions extend to tier 4 and 5.
In Spain and Italy there have been many protests against the harsh lockdowns.
How long do the people have to live under such restrictions? Part of a new normal perhaps?
Here is a nice song that sums up what many are going through.
A 'Storm' that hopefully will end.
It seems to be only first world countries that are whinging about lockdowns...
Do they need all their systems to break down before they stop ?
In the doco I posted yesterday they made the very valid point that those who lost their lives in the First and Second World War supposedly fighting to preserve freedom will be turning in their graves at the loss of freedom now happening in Europe.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
In the doco I posted yesterday they made the very valid point that those who lost their lives in the First and Second World War supposedly fighting to preserve freedom will be turning in their graves at the loss of freedom now happening in Europe.
The crap you posted yesterday is exactly that,crap.
My wifes grandfather lived through world war 2 and the genocide of milosvec. They hid,they fled and they did all they could to survive ...he is disgusted by people like you telling us all the things you have no clue about...oh but you tube told me
You make me sick
In the doco it mentions these new vaccines use synthetic made viruses not wild viruses a point I was not aware of.
But I guess the doco is still crap.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
In the doco it mentions these new vaccines use synthetic made viruses not wild viruses a point I was not aware of.
But I guess the doco is still crap.
Yep it is,a doco lol ,what a sick joke...
Where did I mention vaccines?
I answered all your bs with real people who are dying and now starving ,and you quote YouTube as a reliable source .. the people who are suffering say **** you
I guess the good news is that if you dont get the jab you wont be allowed in most business (pubs, shopping centers, restaurants etc.)
Or be able to use public transport or travel by plane. Thats a win win situation.
The anti vaxers get wiped out by CV, and while thats happening, we dont have to be around them listening to their complaining cause they wont be allowed to enter anywhere, but their own houses.
I think they should also ban anyone who doesn't get the jab from the internet.
I'm all ways amused by the anti vaccine lobby and their conspiracy theory, polo , measles etc don't wreak havoc much any more, so they didn't exist ? I wonder if in the future a vaccine can be developed for stupidity
Select to expand quotewoko said..
I'm all ways amused by the anti vaccine lobby and their conspiracy theory, polo , measles etc don't wreak havoc much any more, so they didn't exist ? I wonder if in the future a vaccine can be developed for stupidity
Stupidity is a gift for our amusement 
Im sure Ghandi or Darwin or Garfunkel said so 
I am amused think saddened that some still think there are little or no side effects from vaccination.
I read a meme a few days that went something like this. Please post if you can find it - it's a goodie.
Morality is doing what is right regardless..........Conformity is doing what everyone else is doing regardless of what is right.
It's not some , it's most .
I happily play the conformity game. It's way easier than rubbing the cat up the wrong way .
Im not angry , and don't wear a tin hat . 
Choices are having to be made in hospitals. There is talk now about who to vaccinate first. The elderly who are more likely to have a bad reaction? They can just stay home anyhow. Maybe we should be vaccinating younger people that need to go out and work. These are the people spreading it. The school kids. Not easy decisions to make.
Of course more than half of the people surveyed said they wouldn't take it in France. Now they are all saying where's my vaccine and blaming the govt of doing a bad job.
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The elderly ... can just stay home anyhow.
Maybe we should be vaccinating younger people that need to go out and work. These are the people spreading it. The school kids.
Yeah I'm sure they want to spend their last part of their lives holed up at home, without human contact and missing out on their grandkids 
Contagiousness increases with age, as does susceptibility. IIRC Sweden had not a single fatality in their schools, including amongst teaching staff.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
I am amused think saddened that some still think there are little or no side effects from vaccination.
I read a meme a few days that went something like this. Please post if you can find it - it's a goodie.
Morality is doing what is right regardless..........Conformity is doing what everyone else is doing regardless of what is right.
Oh a meme. It must be good! You know there was a guy on here before that used to call other people sheep for accepting the narrative from the media, and you HashBrown33 are talking about how good a meme was... Something with absolutely no substance was good? Yippee!
You are a goat. Sorry, I meant to say Sheep.
Select to expand quotehashbrown said..
In the doco I posted yesterday they made the very valid point that those who lost their lives in the First and Second World War supposedly fighting to preserve freedom will be turning in their graves at the loss of freedom now happening in Europe.
What is this BS about people that lost their lives turning in their graves from loss of freedoms? Absolute rubbish!!
If anything they would be thinking of how precious life is and how it can be snuffed out for stupid reasons.
The ones that actually survived these wars would be thinking the same thing, in understanding how fragile life can be, and then seeing the pandemic that followed WW1. Lots of these people would have gone off or been sent off to war and then found the harsh realities of it was that sometimes you died regardless of anything you did. There is no fairness. There is no reward for dying for freedom.
They would be looking at twits on social media wondering why they fought only to have idiots that knew nothing about the subject preaching about how a good diet can prevent a virus.
I think you could argue that lots of food was Organic in 1918, but it still didn't stop millions from dying from the flu.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
I guess the good news is that if you dont get the jab you wont be allowed in most business (pubs, shopping centers, restaurants etc.)
Or be able to use public transport or travel by plane. Thats a win win situation.
The anti vaxers get wiped out by CV, and while thats happening, we dont have to be around them listening to their complaining cause they wont be allowed to enter anywhere, but their own houses.
I think they should also ban anyone who doesn't get the jab from the internet.
I feel wrong agreeing with you
The anti vaxers will now try and demonstrate to get equal rights to go to public events and then turn around and say 'we never caught anything from these events, it was all a hoax' and then go on to enjoy everyone else protecting them.
I still think we ask them to go to a 'freedom zone' where they can live and work in the same community and actively see if they can catch Covid and if their organic leeks will get them through it without any of those dangerous vaccines. It kille two birds with one stone and we get to find out if they believe in their convictions and they get to find out if Covid19 is real.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..tarquin1 said..
The elderly ... can just stay home anyhow.
Maybe we should be vaccinating younger people that need to go out and work. These are the people spreading it. The school kids.
Yeah I'm sure they want to spend their last part of their lives holed up at home, without human contact and missing out on their grandkids
Contagiousness increases with age, as does susceptibility. IIRC Sweden had not a single fatality in their schools, including amongst teaching staff.
My wife is a teacher and one of her classes(year 12) of over 20 students there are only 2 left. All the others, at least 6 have it and the others are direct contact so have to quarantine. No they don't die but they spread it rapidly. They also have really bad lungs after and struggle to do any sport. Who knows in a year or 2 what the long term affects will be.
These are not my opinions but should we vaccinate the people that spread it or the people that are going to die from it first. Not an easy call.
Some top doctors in Paris are now saying we need to change tactic and stop the spread.
