Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
lol 
So Mick, where's the evidence to back up your claim that "the increased surveillance powers granted by our government were made in tackling perceived covid misinformation."?
Come on, you made the claim - why not show proof?
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..eppo said..
Must be nice and cosy in there ignoring histories lessons and heck, human nature in general.
Human nature seems to tend towards making up stories when someone does not understand why something happens.
In the past it was gods, and witches, and evil spirits. Now it seems it is 'them', but we can't actually define who 'them' is.
History lessons? For every example you can bring up where something was plotted, there are billions of other examples where nothing happened and were therefore not noteworthy.
Going back to human nature, how realistic is it that humans can keep secrets of this magnitude?
Operating on an agenda doesn't necessarily relate to CT mumbo jumbo. If somebody tries to tell me COVID is a cover story for a new world order/government control, by the lizard people, then I think it's a fair assumption, they've lost the plot.
but people operate on agendas all the time. Eg my boss wants see his business grow. That's an agenda. Its not a world take over, but it means he has an interest it seeing me work on weekends when he likes, so he can look speedy for a client. 
The government currently wants everyone vaccinated, perhaps for good reason, and plenty of social media companies agree with them. Guess what? That is an agenda too. Having posts/reports/videos come up, especially ones that include factual info by people who would normally be considered credible hurts that agenda. They have motive to see it discredited/removed, because it hurts that agenda.
its quite worrying, seeing the way it's all going. It seems anyone who gives even the slightest hint of criticism to that agenda is jumped on as a troublemaker and shut down asap. All I can see at the moment is a lot of fear motivating a good proportion of society, and it's only a small amount of those people who fall into the true CT mould.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
So Mick, where's the evidence to back up your claim that "the increased surveillance powers granted by our government were made in tackling perceived covid misinformation."?
Come on, you made the claim - why not show proof?
The answers to your questions are within your reach. I'm not going to waste my time spoon feeding someone who's mindset is to offer argumentative walls of text . Your ignoring the main point of my post, focussing on digressive tactics I have no interest. I can help you out with steering you back on course, focussing on interesting comparisons between 2 countries who had very different strategies in dealing with covid 19. It may not interest everyone as I stated earlier. But if it does but you would choose different sources for your information, go for it.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..Chris 249 said..
So Mick, where's the evidence to back up your claim that "the increased surveillance powers granted by our government were made in tackling perceived covid misinformation."?
Come on, you made the claim - why not show proof?
The answers to your questions are within your reach. I'm not going to waste my time spoon feeding someone who's mindset is to offer argumentative walls of text . Your ignoring the main point of my post, focussing on digressive tactics I have no interest. I can help you out with steering you back on course, focussing on interesting comparisons between 2 countries who had very different strategies in dealing with covid 19. It may not interest everyone as I stated earlier. But if it does but you would choose different sources for your information, go for it.
There you go. The answer to the lack of understanding. Some people cannot understand 'walls of text' and either need the information as a short meme, a youtube video with spooky music, or the worst one, a real wall of text with no punctuation and just a solid mass of stuff. The last is because they never read it anyway and just forward it on with 'do your own research'.
Chris, stop using logic, you know it doesn't work!
Select to expand quoteSubsonic said..FormulaNova said..eppo said..
Must be nice and cosy in there ignoring histories lessons and heck, human nature in general.
Human nature seems to tend towards making up stories when someone does not understand why something happens.
In the past it was gods, and witches, and evil spirits. Now it seems it is 'them', but we can't actually define who 'them' is.
History lessons? For every example you can bring up where something was plotted, there are billions of other examples where nothing happened and were therefore not noteworthy.
Going back to human nature, how realistic is it that humans can keep secrets of this magnitude?
Operating on an agenda doesn't necessarily relate to CT mumbo jumbo. If somebody tries to tell me COVID is a cover story for a new world order/government control, by the lizard people, then I think it's a fair assumption, they've lost the plot.
but people operate on agendas all the time. Eg my boss wants see his business grow. That's an agenda. Its not a world take over, but it means he has an interest it seeing me work on weekends when he likes, so he can look speedy for a client.
The government currently wants everyone vaccinated, perhaps for good reason, and plenty of social media companies agree with them. Guess what? That is an agenda too. Having posts/reports/videos come up, especially ones that include factual info by people who would normally be considered credible hurts that agenda. They have motive to see it discredited/removed, because it hurts that agenda.
its quite worrying, seeing the way it's all going. It seems anyone who gives even the slightest hint of criticism to that agenda is jumped on as a troublemaker and shut down asap. All I can see at the moment is a lot of fear motivating a good proportion of society, and it's only a small amount of those people who fall into the true CT mould.
It sounds like you are arguing with my post, but you are actually agreeing with it.
Sure, agendas are real. It makes sense. But to have a mysterious agenda by some huge mysterious entity, with no proof and less logic does not make sense.
A lot of companies will now have an agenda to get their staff vaccinated to minimise problems and try to keep open.
The government? Why would they have an agenda to lose lots of money and ruin their political chances? They wouldn't. So their agenda is more than likely to get out of this problem in the best way possible.
Am I missing the point? Is there an example of an agenda that people are being targeted as trouble-makers for disagreeing with?
"The gov. are out to get us" style threads always brings out the worst in seabreezers and the nutters come out of the woodwork.
I understand there's a bit of an echo chamber here, I think it's more indicative of the demographic here than what most people think.
This poll gives a better indication of how most people in our country feel.
You need to take part in the poll to see the results which may surprise some of you.
www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/poll-how-australia-should-treat-antivaxxers-as-we-exit-lockdown/news-story/e67f508b1e054ec9fd42efa95deafe19
I was really going to stay out of this thread.
But now that it's on the path to deletion anyway, I'll go ahead and say, there's been no apology.
Lockdown modelling was sketchy at best. Empirical evidence shows for the most part they did more harm than good.
Yes, there are studies that "prove" otherwise, but they're crap and missing vast volumes of detail.
That's it, that's enough reason for every CT Nutter to believe their theory has merit.
At least some of the scientist that got it wrong have conceded, but no, none of ours. None that caused untold undue misery
You CT guys wont believe anything I say,
so I will let Elsa a fictional Disney queen tell you as its someone you guys probably believe in 
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..Chris 249 said..
So Mick, where's the evidence to back up your claim that "the increased surveillance powers granted by our government were made in tackling perceived covid misinformation."?
Come on, you made the claim - why not show proof?
The answers to your questions are within your reach. I'm not going to waste my time spoon feeding someone who's mindset is to offer argumentative walls of text . Your ignoring the main point of my post, focussing on digressive tactics I have no interest. I can help you out with steering you back on course, focussing on interesting comparisons between 2 countries who had very different strategies in dealing with covid 19. It may not interest everyone as I stated earlier. But if it does but you would choose different sources for your information, go for it.
No, you're lying. I'm NOT ignoring your point. I'm asking you to show any reasonable evidence for it.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..MickPC said..Chris 249 said..
So Mick, where's the evidence to back up your claim that "the increased surveillance powers granted by our government were made in tackling perceived covid misinformation."?
Come on, you made the claim - why not show proof?
The answers to your questions are within your reach. I'm not going to waste my time spoon feeding someone who's mindset is to offer argumentative walls of text . Your ignoring the main point of my post, focussing on digressive tactics I have no interest. I can help you out with steering you back on course, focussing on interesting comparisons between 2 countries who had very different strategies in dealing with covid 19. It may not interest everyone as I stated earlier. But if it does but you would choose different sources for your information, go for it.
There you go. The answer to the lack of understanding. Some people cannot understand 'walls of text' and either need the information as a short meme, a youtube video with spooky music, or the worst one, a real wall of text with no punctuation and just a solid mass of stuff. The last is because they never read it anyway and just forward it on with 'do your own research'.
Chris, stop using logic, you know it doesn't work!
Yep, you're right. We're dealing with people who think three lines asking for evidence is "walls of text".
What Mick apparently didn't notice is that this bill (which I disagree with) is basically a copy of one that came out before Covid. A bill that copies a pre-Covid one, and basically duplicates it in a way that is not really required, is obviously not "made to tackle percieved covid misinformation".
What is really depressing is that people like Mick make claims but refuse to show any evidence for that. They won't show what their "reasoning" is based on, probably because deep down they know there is no such reasoning.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
I understand there's a bit of an echo chamber here, I think it's more indicative of the demographic here than what most people think.
This poll gives a better indication of how most people in our country feel.
You need to take part in the poll to see the results which may surprise some of you.
www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/poll-how-australia-should-treat-antivaxxers-as-we-exit-lockdown/news-story/e67f508b1e054ec9fd42efa95deafe19
Without even looking at the poll, self enrolled polls will have a certain amount of bias. You will probably not get careful considered thought out answers. Just like online reviews where people that hate the thing being reviewed are much more likely to review it.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
I was really going to stay out of this thread...But now ...
fight, fight, fight, fight, fight, fight....
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..Subsonic said..FormulaNova said..eppo said..
Must be nice and cosy in there ignoring histories lessons and heck, human nature in general.
Human nature seems to tend towards making up stories when someone does not understand why something happens.
In the past it was gods, and witches, and evil spirits. Now it seems it is 'them', but we can't actually define who 'them' is.
History lessons? For every example you can bring up where something was plotted, there are billions of other examples where nothing happened and were therefore not noteworthy.
Going back to human nature, how realistic is it that humans can keep secrets of this magnitude?
Operating on an agenda doesn't necessarily relate to CT mumbo jumbo. If somebody tries to tell me COVID is a cover story for a new world order/government control, by the lizard people, then I think it's a fair assumption, they've lost the plot.
but people operate on agendas all the time. Eg my boss wants see his business grow. That's an agenda. Its not a world take over, but it means he has an interest it seeing me work on weekends when he likes, so he can look speedy for a client.
The government currently wants everyone vaccinated, perhaps for good reason, and plenty of social media companies agree with them. Guess what? That is an agenda too. Having posts/reports/videos come up, especially ones that include factual info by people who would normally be considered credible hurts that agenda. They have motive to see it discredited/removed, because it hurts that agenda.
its quite worrying, seeing the way it's all going. It seems anyone who gives even the slightest hint of criticism to that agenda is jumped on as a troublemaker and shut down asap. All I can see at the moment is a lot of fear motivating a good proportion of society, and it's only a small amount of those people who fall into the true CT mould.
It sounds like you are arguing with my post, but you are actually agreeing with it.
Sure, agendas are real. It makes sense. But to have a mysterious agenda by some huge mysterious entity, with no proof and less logic does not make sense.
A lot of companies will now have an agenda to get their staff vaccinated to minimise problems and try to keep open.
The government? Why would they have an agenda to lose lots of money and ruin their political chances? They wouldn't. So their agenda is more than likely to get out of this problem in the best way possible.
Am I missing the point? Is there an example of an agenda that people are being targeted as trouble-makers for disagreeing with?
Well said. We all know of agendas, but what some of us disagree with is the way they seem to be only used by an excuse or reason by one side.
CT nutters also have agendas. Sometimes it's because the more gullible people they can get to watch their videos, the more cash they get. Sometimes it's because it inflates their egoes to think that they know more than (for example) people who have spent 30 years studying virology, or doing investigations, or leading the way in IT. It's still an agenda.
A classic example is the way some people around here talk about big pharma having an agenda, but ignore the fact that big oil also has an agenda, and it's losing billions upon billions. Airlines, retailers, manufacturers and many other sectors have agendas to make money, and they are losing money because of Covid. The CT nutters ignore that. They seem to believe that merely having "an agenda" gives mysterious powers.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
I was really going to stay out of this thread.
But now that it's on the path to deletion anyway, I'll go ahead and say, there's been no apology.
Lockdown modelling was sketchy at best. Empirical evidence shows for the most part they did more harm than good.
Yes, there are studies that "prove" otherwise, but they're crap and missing vast volumes of detail.
That's it, that's enough reason for every CT Nutter to believe their theory has merit.
At least some of the scientist that got it wrong have conceded, but no, none of ours. None that caused untold undue misery
Like you I'm against arrogant CT nutters, but can I ask what empirical evidence you're talking about?
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
...Just like online reviews where people that hate the thing being reviewed are much more likely to review it.
You got any proof of that ?
Just some gibberish statement with no scientific proof ?
Didn't the great Seabreeze font of all knowledge# once tell us that 'unless it has been proven in a court of law, then it isn't proven'
#memory is a bit hazy since I got all vaxxed up (no link obviously), maybe it was the HW Suppository of all Wisdom or sumfing.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..
I was really going to stay out of this thread.
But now that it's on the path to deletion anyway, I'll go ahead and say, there's been no apology.
Lockdown modelling was sketchy at best. Empirical evidence shows for the most part they did more harm than good.
Yes, there are studies that "prove" otherwise, but they're crap and missing vast volumes of detail.
That's it, that's enough reason for every CT Nutter to believe their theory has merit.
At least some of the scientist that got it wrong have conceded, but no, none of ours. None that caused untold undue misery
Do you understand what you are saying when you say 'empirical evidence'? How can that be true? You can't compare 'unlocked down' and 'locked down' with the same people at the same time. Its an impossibility.
I think the CT nutters need to consider that there is no way to compare scenario A with scenario B in practice.
It is funny when you consider a study as 'crap'.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
... empirical ...
wooooah
..accidentally summon the memory of the devil and suddenly everyone starts talkin' like him.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..FormulaNova said..
...Just like online reviews where people that hate the thing being reviewed are much more likely to review it.
You got any proof of that ?
Just some gibberish statement with no scientific proof ?
Didn't the great Seabreeze font of all knowledge# once tell us that 'unless it has been proven in a court of law, then it isn't proven'
#memory is a bit hazy since I got all vaxxed up (no link obviously), maybe it was the HW Suppository of all Wisdom or sumfing.
I held a poll on it.
I used to live in an area where they held local council polls during the week at a shopping centre. Do you know what type of people are free to shop in suburban city during the day? It skews the results somewhat. I bet you if they asked if old people should be sacrificed to Covid that they would have gotten a definitive result.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
You CT guys wont believe anything I say,
so I will let Elsa a fictional Disney queen tell you as its someone you guys probably believe in
She's in on it too!
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
...Do you know what type of people are free to shop in suburban city during the day?....
No.
Do you have a predisposed notion of the "type of people"??
Can you prove it, or is it just simply based on your own observation of the universe, collected from a lifetime of seeing what happens around you ?
...hang on....
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
ahhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, this isnt a covid thread.
He's in on it too!
I am making an assumption though as he/she/it may identify as an icicle and not a he.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..FormulaNova said..
...Do you know what type of people are free to shop in suburban city during the day?....
No.
Do you have a predisposed notion of the "type of people"??
Can you prove it, or is it just simply based on your own observation of the universe, collected from a lifetime of seeing what happens around you ?
...hang on....
No. You got me there. I saw it on a youtube bitchute video.
You think people actually observe stuff? Sucker!
I'd like to re-evaluate my opinion here. Not that I actually had one.
....but, what exactly is the "Australian Surveillance State" ?
And why would anyone start such a thing ?
Maybe lotofwind is the only person who works there ?
....Agent lotofwind, the man from ASS.
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..
I'd like to re-evaluate my opinion here. Not that I actually had one.
....but, what exactly is the "Australian Surveillance State" ?
And why would anyone start such a thing ?
Maybe lotofwind is the only person who works there ?
....Agent lotofwind, the man from ASS.
It's Tasmania. Look at them down there, all smug, thinking they are too good for the rest of us.
In fact it wouldn't surprise me if several people on here were quite high up in ass.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..
Come on FN, admit it. You're an ass man aren't you.
Been an ass man since you left school ??
Select to expand quoteCarantoc said..FormulaNova said..
Come on FN, admit it. You're an ass man aren't you.
Been an ass man since you left school ??
Nah, the numberplate was taken.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..
No, it's easy to make a logical and factual rebuttal of many CT claims.
You are stating as a fact that the experts are blatantly lying, without making any logical and factual statement to that effect.
No, I'm stating the fact that those in positions of power and authority have engaged in blatant lying. Perhaps some of those are experts in a field...
... but are you honestly unaware of any time in recent history that "experts" (putting aside politicians, news makers etc) have blatantly lied for their or someone else's benefit?
