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Its so easy to debunk this crap but people just read it and get excited.......
I didn't actually read it
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Reading the original link, they still need a warrant for the 3 new powers. So what's the fuss?
To say it "does not need a judge's warrant" is hype - plenty of search warrants can be signed by JP's, and some by magistrates so we already have a hundred cases in Australia of police being able to exercise similar powers "without a judges warrant"
If the author needs to play silly word games to make it sound worse than it is, then maybe they don't have much of a case to complain about. Trouble is it gets reposted again and again by people who don't understand.
And further from Wiki about the Administrative Appeals Tribunal:
The President of the AAT must be a judge of the Federal Court of Australia. The AAT's other members may be:
judges of the Federal Court or Family Court of Australia (part-time Deputy Presidents)
lawyers of at least five years' standing, or
persons of relevant knowledge or skills.
Its so easy to debunk this crap but people just read it and get excited.......
And those lacking in comprehension post to social media, the sky is falling. 
^^^ Yup
Another loss for Australians Ability to Comprehend.
Fair enough, protest increased surveillance powers, fine. But don't make up crap like in the first link.
New powers exist (yes) to do these three things (yes) without a "judge's warrant" (NO NO NO there is not any such thing. Some warrants need a JP, some a magistrate, some a judge. This needs a warrant signed by AAT - which is run by a judge but maybe his second in charge bloke signs it. )
Its typical disingenuous crap from protesters where they carefully word it to get support (or are so dumb they actually don't know and it has the same effect unfortunately.
It's a bit odd that some people who say we shouldn't listen to experts when it comes to science are now saying that we should listen to experts when it comes to the law. If you don't trust medical scientists to protect your health then why would trust a judge to protect you from improper warrants, as under the old system?
Its the mainstream filtered narrative some people have the problem with not medical science or law experts. Skepticism is a healthy part of demoracy. The alternative looks something like north korea in the end.
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The AAT's other members may be: .... persons of relevant knowledge or skills.
So that is anyone on an internet forum then ?
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Its the mainstream filtered narrative some people have the problem with not medical science or law experts. Skepticism is a healthy part of demoracy. The alternative looks something like north korea in the end.
Nothing wrong with skepticism, but there's a lot wrong with what seems to be the current alternative, which is the people who watch a 15 minute YouTube rant and then claim that they know more than people who have spent 30 years studying and working in that field.
I wouldn't know what the "mainstream narrative" is, if you mean TV news or whatever. I do see that many people who have no credentials whatsoever in fields like medical science or law sit on forums, abusing people who have spent their lives studying such fields and those who respect their expertise.
I investigated stuff for years, and some of that stuff was later reported in the news. I know from first-hand experience that a bit of it was distorted, so the mainstream news is far from perfect. However, there's far worse stuff out there being swallowed by the gullible people who believe what they they see on fringe websites or YT.
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Nothing wrong with skepticism, but there's a lot wrong with what seems to be the current alternative, which is the people who watch a 15 minute YouTube rant and then claim that they know more than people who have spent 30 years studying and working in that field.
I wouldn't know what the "mainstream narrative" is, if you mean TV news or whatever. I do see that many people who have no credentials whatsoever in fields like medical science or law sit on forums, abusing people who have spent their lives studying such fields and those who respect their expertise.
I investigated stuff for years, and some of that stuff was later reported in the news. I know from first-hand experience that a bit of it was distorted, so the mainstream news is far from perfect. However, there's far worse stuff out there being swallowed by the gullible people who believe what they they see on fringe websites or YT.
Very easy to smear any criticism of a preferred narrative as CT etc, much more difficult to make a logical and factual rebuttal. Given how tribal the world has become, all that needs to be done is dismiss things as "of the enemy" and that's the end of the discussion. So now you can't actually be properly skeptical, because "only the CT nut jobs in their tin foil hats are skeptical of The Science".
It isn't the fringes that are the issue. The issue is leaders and experts standing in front of the world and just blatantly lying through their teeth, safe in the knowledge that their partisan supporters simply don't care.
That's when the narrative starts bothering people.
I read the official pieces of legislation and it's quite obvious that it is setting a precedent for a very slippery slope.
Prepare for future sheeple, prepare.
What I am planning to do is, for just a few bucks, freeze myself for a couple of decades :
www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=25854&lid=3109526&pgn=1&pgs=100
But - and this is the smart bit.... first secure a few of these and hide them away in the desert :
www.lloydsonline.com.au/AuctionLots.aspx?smode=0&aid=25652&pgn=1&pgs=100
That way, when I return I will be fully equipped.
BRING IT ON.
Carantoc run Bartertown.
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Prepare for future sheeple, prepare.
What I am planning to do is, for just a few bucks, freeze myself for a couple of decades :
www.lloydsonline.com.au/LotDetails.aspx?smode=0&aid=25854&lid=3109526&pgn=1&pgs=100
But - and this is the smart bit.... first secure a few of these and hide them away in the desert :
www.lloydsonline.com.au/AuctionLots.aspx?smode=0&aid=25652&pgn=1&pgs=100
That way, when I return I will be fully equipped.
BRING IT ON.
Carantoc run Bartertown.
Carantoc needs silver. If you buy any of that stuff, the government will be on to you. You need to buy silver or crypto buddy.
You are so new to this its laughable. Laughable!
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^^ Did you read my factual rebuttal?
I did, good work. I wasn't talking about this thing specifically though.
Personally, I'm cynical enough to see the slippery slope kiterboy is talking about. I mean, you're already locking up comedians for jokes.
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..eppo said..
Its the mainstream filtered narrative some people have the problem with not medical science or law experts. Skepticism is a healthy part of demoracy. The alternative looks something like north korea in the end.
Nothing wrong with skepticism, but there's a lot wrong with what seems to be the current alternative, which is the people who watch a 15 minute YouTube rant and then claim that they know more than people who have spent 30 years studying and working in that field.
I wouldn't know what the "mainstream narrative" is, if you mean TV news or whatever. I do see that many people who have no credentials whatsoever in fields like medical science or law sit on forums, abusing people who have spent their lives studying such fields and those who respect their expertise.
I investigated stuff for years, and some of that stuff was later reported in the news. I know from first-hand experience that a bit of it was distorted, so the mainstream news is far from perfect. However, there's far worse stuff out there being swallowed by the gullible people who believe what they they see on fringe websites or YT.
There are plenty of experts in their field with "30 years" of experience who are not being heard or at best their opinions are being distorted to suite a narrative - even called "nut jobs".
your entire premise above assumes a level playing field. And it aint.
It is completely controlled by large organisations who are captured or do the capture. Always has been this way, powers to be have always controlled the narrative. but now it is amplified through global net information access and algorithms designed to solidify your inherent bias.
i would also assume their is a great deal of information war going on between countries as well. How do you know the person abusing an experienced expert in their field is not a russian employed bu their government to create such antagonistic discourse?
we have yet to grapple and evolve quick enough to keep up with the technologies us clever monkeys with thumbs have created.
Interesting!
Country with highest percentage of vaxed people banned from entering the country which never locked down (Sweden) due to huge rise in covid infections in Israel.
www.timesofisrael.com/portugal-sweden-slap-covid-entry-ban-on-israelis-including-those-vaccinated/
www.government.se/press-releases/2021/09/the-government-to-reintroduce-ban-on-entry-to-sweden-for-travellers-from-the-us-israel-kosovo-lebanon-montenegro-and-north-macedonia/
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Interesting!
Country with highest percentage of vaxed people banned from entering the country which never locked down (Sweden) due to huge rise in covid infections in Israel.
www.timesofisrael.com/portugal-sweden-slap-covid-entry-ban-on-israelis-including-those-vaccinated/
www.government.se/press-releases/2021/09/the-government-to-reintroduce-ban-on-entry-to-sweden-for-travellers-from-the-us-israel-kosovo-lebanon-montenegro-and-north-macedonia/
Sorry MickPC
Not really that interesting.
Is it just me? Surly I can't be the only one who's tired of running into people who can turn any conversation around to a covid "discussion". ( I really mean covid, vax, political rant )
Isn't there already a thread about the jab?
Select to expand quotebobajob said..MickPC said..
Interesting!
Country with highest percentage of vaxed people banned from entering the country which never locked down (Sweden) due to huge rise in covid infections in Israel.
www.timesofisrael.com/portugal-sweden-slap-covid-entry-ban-on-israelis-including-those-vaccinated/
www.government.se/press-releases/2021/09/the-government-to-reintroduce-ban-on-entry-to-sweden-for-travellers-from-the-us-israel-kosovo-lebanon-montenegro-and-north-macedonia/
Sorry MickPC
Not really that interesting.
Is it just me? Surly I can't be the only one who's tired of running into people who can turn any conversation around to a covid "discussion". ( I really mean covid, vax, political rant )
Isn't there already a thread about the jab?
NP it may not interest everyone but Sweden was a media sensation last year when they chose not to lockdown their people. So I find it interesting to keep tabs on how they're going now as a result & especially how the media appear to have forgotten about them.
Its all relative, the increased surveillance powers granted by our government were made in tackling perceived covid misinformation.
Someone else may find it interesting to see the results of a different directive. Stats here to make direct comparisons between countries & I think its very important to assess stats for yourself rather than have someone else deliver their spin on them.
ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Chris 249 said..
Nothing wrong with skepticism, but there's a lot wrong with what seems to be the current alternative, which is the people who watch a 15 minute YouTube rant and then claim that they know more than people who have spent 30 years studying and working in that field.
I wouldn't know what the "mainstream narrative" is, if you mean TV news or whatever. I do see that many people who have no credentials whatsoever in fields like medical science or law sit on forums, abusing people who have spent their lives studying such fields and those who respect their expertise.
I investigated stuff for years, and some of that stuff was later reported in the news. I know from first-hand experience that a bit of it was distorted, so the mainstream news is far from perfect. However, there's far worse stuff out there being swallowed by the gullible people who believe what they they see on fringe websites or YT.
Very easy to smear any criticism of a preferred narrative as CT etc, much more difficult to make a logical and factual rebuttal. Given how tribal the world has become, all that needs to be done is dismiss things as "of the enemy" and that's the end of the discussion. So now you can't actually be properly skeptical, because "only the CT nut jobs in their tin foil hats are skeptical of The Science".
It isn't the fringes that are the issue. The issue is leaders and experts standing in front of the world and just blatantly lying through their teeth, safe in the knowledge that their partisan supporters simply don't care.
That's when the narrative starts bothering people.
No, it's easy to make a logical and factual rebuttal of many CT claims.
You are stating as a fact that the experts are blatantly lying, without making any logical and factual statement to that effect.
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Its all relative, the increased surveillance powers granted by our government were made in tackling perceived covid misinformation.
What evidence do you have for that?
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Chris 249 said..eppo said..
Its the mainstream filtered narrative some people have the problem with not medical science or law experts. Skepticism is a healthy part of demoracy. The alternative looks something like north korea in the end.
Nothing wrong with skepticism, but there's a lot wrong with what seems to be the current alternative, which is the people who watch a 15 minute YouTube rant and then claim that they know more than people who have spent 30 years studying and working in that field.
I wouldn't know what the "mainstream narrative" is, if you mean TV news or whatever. I do see that many people who have no credentials whatsoever in fields like medical science or law sit on forums, abusing people who have spent their lives studying such fields and those who respect their expertise.
I investigated stuff for years, and some of that stuff was later reported in the news. I know from first-hand experience that a bit of it was distorted, so the mainstream news is far from perfect. However, there's far worse stuff out there being swallowed by the gullible people who believe what they they see on fringe websites or YT.
There are plenty of experts in their field with "30 years" of experience who are not being heard or at best their opinions are being distorted to suite a narrative - even called "nut jobs".
your entire premise above assumes a level playing field. And it aint.
It is completely controlled by large organisations who are captured or do the capture. Always has been this way, powers to be have always controlled the narrative. but now it is amplified through global net information access and algorithms designed to solidify your inherent bias.
i would also assume their is a great deal of information war going on between countries as well. How do you know the person abusing an experienced expert in their field is not a russian employed bu their government to create such antagonistic discourse?
we have yet to grapple and evolve quick enough to keep up with the technologies us clever monkeys with thumbs have created.
You start off here with a claim that you provide zero evidence for, and then you complain that your case is not being heard.
No, not a single shred of what I wrote or think assumes a level playing field. There is ZERO evidence for your claim that I do. I don't think there's a level playing field; in fact I think it's tilted against the experts because of arrogant people who assume that they know more than people who have spent their lives studying and working in a field.
Yes, there may be a minority of experienced people who are not being heard. However, there are people in every field who are experienced, and wrong. You haven't provided any evidence that a very small percentage of experienced people are correct and the vast majority of experienced people are wrong.
Where is your actual evidence of these "large organisations" that have captured the narrative? Yes, some people have screamed about "big pharma" trying to cash in - but when it's pointed out that Covid is costing far larger sectors far more cash and that those sectors could expose any fraud, the CT people fail to reply. What "large organisations" are you talking about? What is their turnover? How does it compare to the turnover of the organisations who are losing money because of the alleged disinformation? Why do you assume that certain "large organisations" have managed to win the contest, without the others crying foul?
Ironically, the favourite medium of many "conspiracy" theorists is Youtube, which is owned by one of the largest organisations there is. So if "large organisations" are controlling the discussion why isn't one of the largest of them simply closing the YT accounts of the conspiracy theorists?
The people abusing the experienced experts on Seabreeze tend to be people who have been here for a fair while. They are familiar with windsurfing, kiting, local politics, local weather, gear, etc. I really don't think that Russian bots would bother doing that sort of deep cover work to try to influence a small forum.
I don't know about you, but I know people who are extremely knowledgeable about these technologies. They are extremely smart, in general. The ones I know have spent 15 to 35 years working in the field. That means that they have spent 36,000 to 70,000 plus hours learning this stuff - and they have risen above the mass of people who have done the same huge amount of work. These people also really get pissed off with other people who are so appallingly up themselves that they assume that they know more than those who have spent their lives in the field.
Select to expand quoteMickPC said..
Interesting!
Country with highest percentage of vaxed people banned from entering the country which never locked down (Sweden) due to huge rise in covid infections in Israel.
www.timesofisrael.com/portugal-sweden-slap-covid-entry-ban-on-israelis-including-those-vaccinated/
www.government.se/press-releases/2021/09/the-government-to-reintroduce-ban-on-entry-to-sweden-for-travellers-from-the-us-israel-kosovo-lebanon-montenegro-and-north-macedonia/
So when a federal government follows the recommendation of an international body, do you think that shows that we should follow the experts or ignore them?
When you say that people should "assess stats for themselves", how are you assessing them? What standards are you using to determine the comparative etiology, demographics, socio-economic factors, testing rates, reporting procedures? What confounding variables have you assessed in the datasets?
Why do you think the JHU dataset is the best?
Why do you like JH-Crown?
Do you always believe data from the Martin School?
Why did you happen to choose those two countries to select?
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
Mods shut it down luckily, but some cant let it go. lol
you are the worst type of person
Select to expand quoteChris 249 said..eppo said..Chris 249 said..eppo said..
Its the mainstream filtered narrative some people have the problem with not medical science or law experts. Skepticism is a healthy part of demoracy. The alternative looks something like north korea in the end.
Nothing wrong with skepticism, but there's a lot wrong with what seems to be the current alternative, which is the people who watch a 15 minute YouTube rant and then claim that they know more than people who have spent 30 years studying and working in that field.
I wouldn't know what the "mainstream narrative" is, if you mean TV news or whatever. I do see that many people who have no credentials whatsoever in fields like medical science or law sit on forums, abusing people who have spent their lives studying such fields and those who respect their expertise.
I investigated stuff for years, and some of that stuff was later reported in the news. I know from first-hand experience that a bit of it was distorted, so the mainstream news is far from perfect. However, there's far worse stuff out there being swallowed by the gullible people who believe what they they see on fringe websites or YT.
There are plenty of experts in their field with "30 years" of experience who are not being heard or at best their opinions are being distorted to suite a narrative - even called "nut jobs".
your entire premise above assumes a level playing field. And it aint.
It is completely controlled by large organisations who are captured or do the capture. Always has been this way, powers to be have always controlled the narrative. but now it is amplified through global net information access and algorithms designed to solidify your inherent bias.
i would also assume their is a great deal of information war going on between countries as well. How do you know the person abusing an experienced expert in their field is not a russian employed bu their government to create such antagonistic discourse?
we have yet to grapple and evolve quick enough to keep up with the technologies us clever monkeys with thumbs have created.
You start off here with a claim that you provide zero evidence for, and then you complain that your case is not being heard.
No, not a single shred of what I wrote or think assumes a level playing field. There is ZERO evidence for your claim that I do. I don't think there's a level playing field; in fact I think it's tilted against the experts because of arrogant people who assume that they know more than people who have spent their lives studying and working in a field.
Yes, there may be a minority of experienced people who are not being heard. However, there are people in every field who are experienced, and wrong. You haven't provided any evidence that a very small percentage of experienced people are correct and the vast majority of experienced people are wrong.
Where is your actual evidence of these "large organisations" that have captured the narrative? Yes, some people have screamed about "big pharma" trying to cash in - but when it's pointed out that Covid is costing far larger sectors far more cash and that those sectors could expose any fraud, the CT people fail to reply. What "large organisations" are you talking about? What is their turnover? How does it compare to the turnover of the organisations who are losing money because of the alleged disinformation? Why do you assume that certain "large organisations" have managed to win the contest, without the others crying foul?
Ironically, the favourite medium of many "conspiracy" theorists is Youtube, which is owned by one of the largest organisations there is. So if "large organisations" are controlling the discussion why isn't one of the largest of them simply closing the YT accounts of the conspiracy theorists?
The people abusing the experienced experts on Seabreeze tend to be people who have been here for a fair while. They are familiar with windsurfing, kiting, local politics, local weather, gear, etc. I really don't think that Russian bots would bother doing that sort of deep cover work to try to influence a small forum.
I don't know about you, but I know people who are extremely knowledgeable about these technologies. They are extremely smart, in general. The ones I know have spent 15 to 35 years working in the field. That means that they have spent 36,000 to 70,000 plus hours learning this stuff - and they have risen above the mass of people who have done the same huge amount of work. These people also really get pissed off with other people who are so appallingly up themselves that they assume that they know more than those who have spent their lives in the field.
And where is your evidence. People "you have known" apparently.
There are plenty of examples experts social media accounts being taken down when not following the established covid narrative for example. Also those that wanted the chinese lab theory explored early on for example. until now when the narrative had changed by the controlling bodies.
but you would have never seen or heard of them.
why is that you may ask?
if you truly believe that information is not controlled to suite an agenda and that these so called experts of yours whose income and future research and entirely based on them following whatever mantra has been decided, then i applaud you for your bubble of perfect ignorance. Must be nice and cosy in there ignoring histories lessons and heck, human nature in general.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Chris 249 said..eppo said..Chris 249 said..eppo said..
Its the mainstream filtered narrative some people have the problem with not medical science or law experts. Skepticism is a healthy part of demoracy. The alternative looks something like north korea in the end.
Nothing wrong with skepticism, but there's a lot wrong with what seems to be the current alternative, which is the people who watch a 15 minute YouTube rant and then claim that they know more than people who have spent 30 years studying and working in that field.
I wouldn't know what the "mainstream narrative" is, if you mean TV news or whatever. I do see that many people who have no credentials whatsoever in fields like medical science or law sit on forums, abusing people who have spent their lives studying such fields and those who respect their expertise.
I investigated stuff for years, and some of that stuff was later reported in the news. I know from first-hand experience that a bit of it was distorted, so the mainstream news is far from perfect. However, there's far worse stuff out there being swallowed by the gullible people who believe what they they see on fringe websites or YT.
There are plenty of experts in their field with "30 years" of experience who are not being heard or at best their opinions are being distorted to suite a narrative - even called "nut jobs".
your entire premise above assumes a level playing field. And it aint.
It is completely controlled by large organisations who are captured or do the capture. Always has been this way, powers to be have always controlled the narrative. but now it is amplified through global net information access and algorithms designed to solidify your inherent bias.
i would also assume their is a great deal of information war going on between countries as well. How do you know the person abusing an experienced expert in their field is not a russian employed bu their government to create such antagonistic discourse?
we have yet to grapple and evolve quick enough to keep up with the technologies us clever monkeys with thumbs have created.
You start off here with a claim that you provide zero evidence for, and then you complain that your case is not being heard.
No, not a single shred of what I wrote or think assumes a level playing field. There is ZERO evidence for your claim that I do. I don't think there's a level playing field; in fact I think it's tilted against the experts because of arrogant people who assume that they know more than people who have spent their lives studying and working in a field.
Yes, there may be a minority of experienced people who are not being heard. However, there are people in every field who are experienced, and wrong. You haven't provided any evidence that a very small percentage of experienced people are correct and the vast majority of experienced people are wrong.
Where is your actual evidence of these "large organisations" that have captured the narrative? Yes, some people have screamed about "big pharma" trying to cash in - but when it's pointed out that Covid is costing far larger sectors far more cash and that those sectors could expose any fraud, the CT people fail to reply. What "large organisations" are you talking about? What is their turnover? How does it compare to the turnover of the organisations who are losing money because of the alleged disinformation? Why do you assume that certain "large organisations" have managed to win the contest, without the others crying foul?
Ironically, the favourite medium of many "conspiracy" theorists is Youtube, which is owned by one of the largest organisations there is. So if "large organisations" are controlling the discussion why isn't one of the largest of them simply closing the YT accounts of the conspiracy theorists?
The people abusing the experienced experts on Seabreeze tend to be people who have been here for a fair while. They are familiar with windsurfing, kiting, local politics, local weather, gear, etc. I really don't think that Russian bots would bother doing that sort of deep cover work to try to influence a small forum.
I don't know about you, but I know people who are extremely knowledgeable about these technologies. They are extremely smart, in general. The ones I know have spent 15 to 35 years working in the field. That means that they have spent 36,000 to 70,000 plus hours learning this stuff - and they have risen above the mass of people who have done the same huge amount of work. These people also really get pissed off with other people who are so appallingly up themselves that they assume that they know more than those who have spent their lives in the field.
And where is your evidence. People "you have known" apparently.
There are plenty of examples experts social media accounts being taken down when not following the established covid narrative for example. Also those that wanted the chinese lab theory explored early on for example. until now when the narrative had changed by the controlling bodies.
but you would have never seen or heard of them.
why is that you may ask?
if you truly believe that information is not controlled to suite an agenda and that these so called experts of yours whose income and future research and entirely based on them following whatever mantra has been decided, then i applaud you for your bubble of perfect ignorance. Must be nice and cosy in there ignoring histories lessons and heck, human nature in general.
Ignoring your silly insults for a start, just answer one question; precisely what "controlling bodies" do you claim stopped people from exploring the "Chinese lab theory" early on, and how did they do that?
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So I asked a simple question, and you post a clip of silly photos with a hip hop track as an "answer"?
Why not just answer the simple question properly? It looks like you don't have an answer.
So let's ask again - what "controlling bodies" stopped people from "exploring the Chinese lab theory", and when?
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Must be nice and cosy in there ignoring histories lessons and heck, human nature in general.
Human nature seems to tend towards making up stories when someone does not understand why something happens.
In the past it was gods, and witches, and evil spirits. Now it seems it is 'them', but we can't actually define who 'them' is.
History lessons? For every example you can bring up where something was plotted, there are billions of other examples where nothing happened and were therefore not noteworthy.
Going back to human nature, how realistic is it that humans can keep secrets of this magnitude?
Select to expand quoteeppo said..eppo said..Chris 249 said..
And where is your evidence. People "you have known" apparently.
There are plenty of examples experts social media accounts being taken down when not following the established covid narrative for example. Also those that wanted the chinese lab theory explored early on for example. until now when the narrative had changed by the controlling bodies.
but you would have never seen or heard of them.
why is that you may ask?
if you truly believe that information is not controlled to suite an agenda and that these so called experts of yours whose income and future research and entirely based on them following whatever mantra has been decided, then i applaud you for your bubble of perfect ignorance. Must be nice and cosy in there ignoring histories lessons and heck, human nature in general.
Your post is full of rubbish. Since you started getting personal, I'll get personal enough to show that your claims that I am ignorant or in a bubble are complete crap. I spent many years working in investigations. I have jumped back fences in night-time raids, been to plenty of scenes of death (after the bodies have gone, luckily), read plenty of gruesome post-mortems, and looked at far too many pics of things like people eaten by their own pet dog. The post-mortem of that one was not nice reading.
I've also investigated and worked with the events around the mass murders by these guys;
murderpedia.org/male.D/d/dean-roger.htm (11 killed);
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoddle_Street_massacre
and the alleged war crimes covered in here;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brereton_Report
I was also in one of the teams that took on a corrupt industry, killed the major shonks, and had them fined and penalised well over $100 million.
Rather than being "ignorant", I actually ended up with PTSD after investigating a pack child sexual assault around the same time as doing the war crimes stuff. The study of history is one of my hobbies; my job for years was dealing with major crimes. So your claims are complete and utter bull****. The fact that you make such bull**** claims were zero evidence shows that you're dishonest.
The people I referred to are close friends who work in the field, like the head of IT in one of our major unis, and the IT security head of a government department. It is just stupid for you to infer that I should trust the information they give me less than information you get from Youtube and other sites.
