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new duotone wing stick - any info out there?

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Created by bolgo > 9 months ago, 30 Jan 2021
sunsetsailboards
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18 Jul 2021 1:43AM
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Fishdude said..

sunsetsailboards said..
anybody tried hot glue?





Yep, hot glue only is more than enough IMO. That's all I used on mine and it works perfect.

HG even gives a little length length adjustability too.


cool, i just got a some light carbon tubes for a boom... will maybe 3D print a front end and glue it together and forego the rivets

sunsetsailboards
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18 Jul 2021 4:39AM
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Anybody have a Slick boom front end file on thingiverse or elsewhere?

MdG71
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18 Jul 2021 5:33PM
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sunsetsailboards said..
Anybody have a Slick boom front end file on thingiverse or elsewhere?


i have asked a user from a German Oase forum if he would like to share his designs







dejavu
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18 Jul 2021 11:50PM
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MdG71 said..

sunsetsailboards said..
Anybody have a Slick boom front end file on thingiverse or elsewhere?



i have asked a user from a German Oase forum if he would like to share his designs








What a great looking "Slick carbon boom"! Where can I order one? Why can't Duotone offer something like this?

sunsetsailboards
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19 Jul 2021 5:01AM
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dejavu said..

MdG71 said..


sunsetsailboards said..
Anybody have a Slick boom front end file on thingiverse or elsewhere?




i have asked a user from a German Oase forum if he would like to share his designs








What a great looking "Slick carbon boom"! Where can I order one? Why can't Duotone offer something like this?


The Platinum mini booms I've seen are nice. Significantly lighter and the tube is smaller as well... roughly 28 x 30mm vs 28.5 x 32mm for the aluminum boom.

I have 26mm and 29mm OD paddle shafts that I want to make into booms. Might just be easier to glue in paddle t-handles for the front and mast tip plugs for the clew end.

sunsetsailboards
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28 Jul 2021 2:34AM
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MdG71 said..

sunsetsailboards said..
Anybody have a Slick boom front end file on thingiverse or elsewhere?



i have asked a user from a German Oase forum if he would like to share his designs








any luck getting this guy to share his files?

eppo
WA, 9723 posts
28 Jul 2021 9:04PM
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I got a say this but dear god how many posts and discussions can you guys deliver on the damn boom. Surely you put the boom provided on and go? Or is this such a drastic issue if so. I'd be suitably pissed. We shouldn't be having to engineers our own product with the money that's laid out for these things.

dejavu
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28 Jul 2021 9:38PM
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eppo said..
I got a say this but dear god how many posts and discussions can you guys deliver on the damn boom. Surely you put the boom provided on and go? Or is this such a drastic issue if so. I'd be suitably pissed. We shouldn't be having to engineers our own product with the money that's laid out for these things.


The aluminium boom works just fine. However, the availability of the carbon boom is problematic so if you want one most will have to wait like myself. Apparently Duotone had some issues with some of the carbon booms that were shipped and hopefully are now making the necessary fixes.

I'm a bit surprised that you seem oblivious to the fact that members of forums tend to be somewhat fanatical and picky (OCD) about the things (wings, booms, boards, foils) with which they are obsessed.

BTW, I presently own wings from three different companies and the Slick is an exceptional wing. I ordered a number of Slicks five months ago and will receive the last one I ordered in a few days -- where I am they are extremely hard to come by and when they do come in they're gone in a nanosecond.

Fishdude
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28 Jul 2021 10:44PM
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eppo said..
I got a say this but dear god how many posts and discussions can you guys deliver on the damn boom. Surely you put the boom provided on and go? Or is this such a drastic issue if so. I'd be suitably pissed. We shouldn't be having to engineers our own product with the money that's laid out for these things.



Being pissed is a choice. You could be pissed or you can fix the problem. The good info here from fellow wingers is great.

But I guess to each thier own. I've yet to buy anything I did not want to improve in one way or another. It keep life interesting. Personally I enjoy this aspect of a hobby. If you don't like it, and can afford the perfect gear, and be 100% happy the way it is, I say that's great and count your blessing.

airsail
QLD, 1547 posts
29 Jul 2021 6:10AM
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eppo said..
I got a say this but dear god how many posts and discussions can you guys deliver on the damn boom. Surely you put the boom provided on and go? Or is this such a drastic issue if so. I'd be suitably pissed. We shouldn't be having to engineers our own product with the money that's laid out for these things.


My carbon boom is less than half the weight of the alloy. The 5.5 Slick used to feel heavy but now it doesn't and is much nicer to use. Having 350 grams less swing weight during gybes really improves the wing. Whether kitefoil, wingfoil or windfoil, lighter gear is just nicer to use, and people spend a lot to save a few grams.

sunsetsailboards
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29 Jul 2021 1:57PM
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eppo said..
I got a say this but dear god how many posts and discussions can you guys deliver on the damn boom. Surely you put the boom provided on and go? Or is this such a drastic issue if so. I'd be suitably pissed. We shouldn't be having to engineers our own product with the money that's laid out for these things.


in my case it's pure greed. as a dealer, I only received two platinum (carbon) mini booms so far.... these are in high demand, so I took the cash and will use the aluminum boom or a DIY carbon in the meantime.

sometimes I put myself at the head of the line, sometimes I take the cash!

Relapse
VIC, 617 posts
29 Jul 2021 8:34PM
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I used a carbon sup paddle for a few months before my Carbon mini boom arrived. Sup paddle worked well is 70g lighter than the Duotone one but I prefer the extra stiffness of the Duotone carbon mini boom. Pumping seems a little more direct and wing seems a little more stable in stronger winds and jumps. Guessing it's the extra stiffness that is helping hold the wings shape. They aren't cheap that's for sure

stylez
VIC, 20 posts
3 Aug 2021 2:14PM
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Anyone tried a 3m Slick? Curious to hear about real world wind range...

warwickl
NSW, 2356 posts
3 Aug 2021 4:03PM
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stylez said..
Anyone tried a 3m Slick? Curious to hear about real world wind range...


I am thinking a 3.5 so interested in comments on both sizes.

JuriM
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8 Aug 2021 5:13PM
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I do a lot of 3D modeling and printing, so I have been considering making end pieces for a DIY miniboom. However, the inner and outer diameter of the tube you use for the boom will affect the pieces you will need. I can easily make a parametric model and then export a whole bunch of sizes at 0.5mm increments, I suppose. I think Thingiverse supports parametric models done in OpenSCAD, but I prefer working in Fusion 360. If people are still interested, you can help out by giving exact measurements of the boom tube you would use. I don't need this for myself, but don't mind helping out.

A friend at our club ordered a Slick and couldn't find a hose adapter to buy, so I finished what I started earlier this summer and made some air port adapter plugs for him. I'm have been using my own adapter to pump the wing a couple of times now and it's working well. After a bit more testing to make sure it holds up, I guess I could post it on MyMinifactory. I made a 2 piece design with a rigid adapter and a flexible ring as a seal. I used NinjaFlex filament initially, but it was overkill in terms of softness and a cheap, less flexible TPU filament actually gives a much better seal and is way easier to print. The rigid part is just PLA.

I have noticed the boom takes on some water. I do some "baseball bat swings" after a session to get it out, but have been considering making drain holes. That would also make the boom take in more water, but would let it drain out during a session. The "sharp" end is properly plugged and the wide end seems to be leaking. I guess it's not a problem if I don't let the boom sit underwater for too long... ;)

Jonthesailorman
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11 Aug 2021 1:53AM
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warwickl said..

stylez said..
Anyone tried a 3m Slick? Curious to hear about real world wind range...



I am thinking a 3.5 so interested in comments on both sizes.


I have a 3.5, so far it's my favorite size! I'm 83 KG and have been able to get it going in 15 knots and it handles 30 knots beautifully. I'm using in combination with a KT 85L custom board and an Axis 880 foil set. It doesn't rip upwind so well if the wind is lighter, but it does alright. My 4.5 is a bit better in gustier conditions from 11-25. The 3.5 is super fun for jumping and freestyle when It's lit up, and very handy on a wave face. It's small enough to flick around, but has just enough grunt to work on marginal windier days for me. Great compliment to my 4.5 and 6.0, I don't feel like I'm missing any gaps at the moment.

Paracurum
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13 Aug 2021 7:01PM
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It's easy to build the front end from EPS and carbon laminate. I made two carbon booms from carbon tubes: 27mm x 24mm and 30mmm x 27mm. Also I used termo over grip from ALI Express. The weight is about 320 grams each.

dejavu
825 posts
13 Aug 2021 11:23PM
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Lots of Slicks in this video -- race in Germany. Some of these guys are really fast. I think we'll soon see wings developed specifically for racing. I suspect it'll be big wind wings (7 or 8 metre) to get you through the lulls with speed along with smaller HA foils for all out speed and upwind ability. (Race starts around the 6:20 minute mark)

sunsetsailboards
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14 Aug 2021 1:35AM
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Paracurum said..
It's easy to build the front end from EPS and carbon laminate. I made two carbon booms from carbon tubes: 27mm x 24mm and 30mmm x 27mm. Also I used termo over grip from ALI Express. The weight is about 320 grams each.


yes, I've been meaning to do this as well... i have some HD foam blocks that would be very easy to shape and laminate. One tube, I can use a windsurfing mast cap as the clew end.

dejavu
825 posts
18 Aug 2021 6:32AM
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Nice review of the Slick by Hell Boy999:

longboard
179 posts
20 Sep 2021 5:34PM
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I'm considering getting a 4m slick for stronger winds...

For those that have experience with the 4m slick at the top end of its wind range - did you experience any back winding...??

Has anyone else noticed back winding on any of the slicks while using at the upper end of their respective wind range...?

Yuppy
VIC, 668 posts
20 Sep 2021 8:05PM
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No back winding for me. im 75kg and I can handle
mine in30knots just fine. In 40 knots on Saturday I had to ride back sitting down.

longboard
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20 Sep 2021 6:09PM
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Yuppy said..
No back winding for me. im 75kg and I can handle
mine in30knots just fine. In 40 knots on Saturday I had to ride back sitting down.


Thanks for your input.
Was it a 4m slick you were using?

warwickl
NSW, 2356 posts
20 Sep 2021 8:42PM
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longboard said..
I'm considering getting a 4m slick for stronger winds...

For those that have experience with the 4m slick at the top end of its wind range - did you experience any back winding...??

Has anyone else noticed back winding on any of the slicks while using at the upper end of their respective wind range...?


Yes back winding is there for me compared to my previous windwings however, with an adjustment in technique it becomes almost a non issue.
All the benefits of this windwing outweigh any minor negatives.

JuriM
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20 Sep 2021 6:57PM
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longboard said..
I'm considering getting a 4m slick for stronger winds...

For those that have experience with the 4m slick at the top end of its wind range - did you experience any back winding...??

Has anyone else noticed back winding on any of the slicks while using at the upper end of their respective wind range...?


I've have used my 5.0 in close to 30 knot gusts. I definitely prefer using it in less than 20 knots, but we get some really strong gusts when the wind is offshore. A strong gust can cause the tip to dive a bit, but that's usually easily corrected. I haven't noticed backwinding. I ordered a 3.5 mainly for days like that and for travel with just wing gear. (If there's a steady strong wind, I'm more likely to go windsurfing.)

I'm probably going to make a second boom myself. I'll try to make it a bit warmer to grip than the standard boom. I'm currently looking into different options for the tube.

longboard
179 posts
21 Sep 2021 12:33PM
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Seems like finding stock of the platinum miniboom is virtually impossible...

As far as I can deduct: the first offerings of the carbon version were crap. As mentioned on the forum the end caps shearing off etc.

Apart from the occasional tendency to take in water my aluminium mini boom has worked OK.
- I had to seal it with marine silicone myself, not really what I would expect from a brand like duotone.

Is the current "shortage" of the carbon boom due to duotone trying to re design it or is it just their way of quietly hoping everyone will forget it was ever an option...?

Despite my repeated efforts to reach duotone international directly - I have had zero response from them.
Not very encouraging customer service from thrir side hence my wondering exactly what the long term plan for the carbon mini boom is...

That said - I really enjoy the Slick.
I just wish duotone offered better support & comm's with their customers.

Donathon
78 posts
21 Sep 2021 4:13PM
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I have the Slick 6.5m with the Silver mini boom, it does what it is supposed to do and I am no racer looking to shave off a few grams. I appreciate the extra workout on the guns for an older guy But I have noticed after a few sessions the boom retains some water, now I don't now where it is getting in or how to stop it, has anybody else had this issue and did they manage to resolve it?

wilsowindsports
NSW, 14 posts
21 Sep 2021 6:58PM
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longboard said..
Seems like finding stock of the platinum miniboom is virtually impossible...

As far as I can deduct: the first offerings of the carbon version were crap. As mentioned on the forum the end caps shearing off etc.

Apart from the occasional tendency to take in water my aluminium mini boom has worked OK.
- I had to seal it with marine silicone myself, not really what I would expect from a brand like duotone.

Is the current "shortage" of the carbon boom due to duotone trying to re design it or is it just their way of quietly hoping everyone will forget it was ever an option...?

Despite my repeated efforts to reach duotone international directly - I have had zero response from them.
Not very encouraging customer service from thrir side hence my wondering exactly what the long term plan for the carbon mini boom is...

That said - I really enjoy the Slick.
I just wish duotone offered better support & comm's with their customers.


Duotone did have a small number of Mini booms get to Australia with incorrect Rivets and sealing plugs. We can retro fit these plugs and rivets if there are any booms still causing problems.

The Carbon booms have been in short supply as the problems with International manufacturing and Covid Lockdowns still seem to be causing major delays. We will do our best to get bigger numbers of Carbon booms arriving Aus as soon as possible.

warwickl
NSW, 2356 posts
21 Sep 2021 7:44PM
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Is a carbon boom really a benefit?

Jeroensurf
1077 posts
21 Sep 2021 6:36PM
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Yes.I have the 6m and tried it with the alu +carbon and the carbon has a buit better handling due the lighter weight.



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