Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..SlowlyButSurely said..
Tried PowerPack first time today. Absolutely amazing. I am honestly speechless.
Coming from Pocket Rocket first and then BRM Kanahas (was looking for that short line feel) I think the PP is the ultimate, perfect blend of both.
* Retract and redeploy became a 100% success rate biz.
* Lines are sturdy and easy on the hand palms.
* construction quality is outstanding. Trailing edge is now all reinforced in the high pressure zones.
* wind range is excellent on both ends and, compared to the BRM, gusts handling is far superior.
This is, by far, the most refined, easy to ride and confidence inspiring Parawing out there by a large margin.
Now a short wait for the pocket rocket v2!
Ozone put the wind ranges up for the power pack and they are a dramatic increase from the pocket rocket v1. Wild times! Any GPS tracks you can show to compare PR vs PP?
The Pocket Rocket v1:
Power Pack v1:
Sorry don't have a comparison. But the wind range on the PowerPack you attached above from Ozone seems a bit aspirational.
Having owned many parawings in the past year, I would not hesitate to recommend the switch to the PowerPack. It is that good. And remarkably better than anything out there at the moment.
bwalnut remember you and I debated on the BRM upper hand when jibing? The moment you keep your bar one handed in the transition? We discussed how limited was the BRM range and I believe that was the main driver based on which you switched from the Ka'a to the PR.
well the PowerPack allows you to have the direct, short line taste, with the benefit of being able to hold the wing even in the very upper range.
the A lines split is genius and make the retract & deploy a piece of cake.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
Tried PowerPack first time today. Absolutely amazing. I am honestly speechless.
Coming from Pocket Rocket first and then BRM Kanahas (was looking for that short line feel) I think the PP is the ultimate, perfect blend of both.
* Retract and redeploy became a 100% success rate biz.
* Lines are sturdy and easy on the hand palms.
* construction quality is outstanding. Trailing edge is now all reinforced in the high pressure zones.
* wind range is excellent on both ends and, compared to the BRM, gusts handling is far superior.
This is, by far, the most refined, easy to ride and confidence inspiring Parawing out there by a large margin.
My worry would be the upwind angles which didn't seem very good based on the tracks I've seen on Facebook. What's your impression? Have you tried other parawings?
Select to expand quoteSorry don't have a comparison. But the wind range on the PowerPack you attached above from Ozone seems a bit aspirational.
I felt that way about the original PR range, but if nothing else, it looks expanded which is great. Select to expand quotebwalnut remember you and I debated on the BRM upper hand when jibing? The moment you keep your bar one handed in the transition? We discussed how limited was the BRM range and I believe that was the main driver based on which you switched from the Ka'a to the PR.
Yes, that was a major deciding factor for me on dropping the Ka'a and switching to PR. I have the benefit of the 3m PR being my largest size so the line length was never a major concern. However, I'll admit I loved the 2.4m PR line length and jibe behavior. If I could have all my lines that length and not lose the upwind and depower characteristics I'd be stoked.
Any chance you've gotten your hands on a Hatch yet? I'm hoping to set up a demo on those soon but this time of year is rough for local conditions. Winds are cold and violent so testing new gear isn't especially amazing.
It sounds like you're stoked and I'm usually down to pay a premium for top gear, so my simple question for you is just is it worth the additional price tag? It sounds like the durability was bumped up a notch too which is what I really wanted to hear about the next gen ozone stuff.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
Tried PowerPack first time today. Absolutely amazing. I am honestly speechless.
Coming from Pocket Rocket first and then BRM Kanahas (was looking for that short line feel) I think the PP is the ultimate, perfect blend of both.
* Retract and redeploy became a 100% success rate biz.
* Lines are sturdy and easy on the hand palms.
* construction quality is outstanding. Trailing edge is now all reinforced in the high pressure zones.
* wind range is excellent on both ends and, compared to the BRM, gusts handling is far superior.
This is, by far, the most refined, easy to ride and confidence inspiring Parawing out there by a large margin.
Can you comment on what you were using if for and pw size and wind conditions?
I have observed the pp being ridden over a few sessions in lighter wind and its is a retrograde step from the pr for the application of upwind downwind bump riding in my opinion.
Designers comments were 6/10 for upwind and harder to use than the pr.
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..SlowlyButSurely said..
Tried PowerPack first time today. Absolutely amazing. I am honestly speechless.
Coming from Pocket Rocket first and then BRM Kanahas (was looking for that short line feel) I think the PP is the ultimate, perfect blend of both.
* Retract and redeploy became a 100% success rate biz.
* Lines are sturdy and easy on the hand palms.
* construction quality is outstanding. Trailing edge is now all reinforced in the high pressure zones.
* wind range is excellent on both ends and, compared to the BRM, gusts handling is far superior.
This is, by far, the most refined, easy to ride and confidence inspiring Parawing out there by a large margin.
Can you comment on what you were using if for and pw size and wind conditions?
I have observed the pp being ridden over a few sessions in lighter wind and its is a retrograde step from the pr for the application of upwind downwind bump riding in my opinion.
Designers comments were 6/10 for upwind and harder to use than the pr.
Para for a different purpose by the sounds of it than the PR. For wave riding and pure stash and go DW PP sounds great. you want to really crank upwind for Downwind ru s rinse and repeat you want the PR.
Select to expand quoteJve said..SlowlyButSurely said..
Tried PowerPack first time today. Absolutely amazing. I am honestly speechless.
Coming from Pocket Rocket first and then BRM Kanahas (was looking for that short line feel) I think the PP is the ultimate, perfect blend of both.
* Retract and redeploy became a 100% success rate biz.
* Lines are sturdy and easy on the hand palms.
* construction quality is outstanding. Trailing edge is now all reinforced in the high pressure zones.
* wind range is excellent on both ends and, compared to the BRM, gusts handling is far superior.
This is, by far, the most refined, easy to ride and confidence inspiring Parawing out there by a large margin.
My worry would be the upwind angles which didn't seem very good based on the tracks I've seen on Facebook. What's your impression? Have you tried other parawings?
Upwind on the powerpack is very good. I tried with no harness and I was tracking behind a guy with a PR no problem. also I come from the BRM Kanaha and before then the Ka'a and I learn how to really leverage fickle front lines riding to go upwind efficiently. In my opinion there is virtually no difference in upswing performance between PR and PP particularly if you harnessed in
Select to expand quoteeppo said..AnyBoard said..SlowlyButSurely said..
Tried PowerPack first time today. Absolutely amazing. I am honestly speechless.
Coming from Pocket Rocket first and then BRM Kanahas (was looking for that short line feel) I think the PP is the ultimate, perfect blend of both.
* Retract and redeploy became a 100% success rate biz.
* Lines are sturdy and easy on the hand palms.
* construction quality is outstanding. Trailing edge is now all reinforced in the high pressure zones.
* wind range is excellent on both ends and, compared to the BRM, gusts handling is far superior.
This is, by far, the most refined, easy to ride and confidence inspiring Parawing out there by a large margin.
Can you comment on what you were using if for and pw size and wind conditions?
I have observed the pp being ridden over a few sessions in lighter wind and its is a retrograde step from the pr for the application of upwind downwind bump riding in my opinion.
Designers comments were 6/10 for upwind and harder to use than the pr.
Para for a different purpose by the sounds of it than the PR. For wave riding and pure stash and go DW PP sounds great. you want to really crank upwind for Downwind ru s rinse and repeat you want the PR.
I might be the voice outside the chorus here, but in my humble opinion, the PP does everything the PR does but in an easier and more accessible format.
dont think as the PP vs PR in terms of BRM Maliko vs Ka'a, because it is not.
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..SlowlyButSurely said..
Tried PowerPack first time today. Absolutely amazing. I am honestly speechless.
Coming from Pocket Rocket first and then BRM Kanahas (was looking for that short line feel) I think the PP is the ultimate, perfect blend of both.
* Retract and redeploy became a 100% success rate biz.
* Lines are sturdy and easy on the hand palms.
* construction quality is outstanding. Trailing edge is now all reinforced in the high pressure zones.
* wind range is excellent on both ends and, compared to the BRM, gusts handling is far superior.
This is, by far, the most refined, easy to ride and confidence inspiring Parawing out there by a large margin.
Can you comment on what you were using if for and pw size and wind conditions?
I have observed the pp being ridden over a few sessions in lighter wind and its is a retrograde step from the pr for the application of upwind downwind bump riding in my opinion.
Designers comments were 6/10 for upwind and harder to use than the pr.
yday conditions: lake bumps, knee to chest, wing 13kt base gusting at 20. Used first the 4.3 then the 3.6. Weight 90kg dry on Code Foils R1250 and S1130.
I totally disagree with the ease of use pitch by the manufacturer.
For me the PowerPack is easy to use and comparable with the PR. The retract and redeploy is really the best out there, even better than BRM, and it turns on a dime.
Maybe the only advantage in PR still has is with very very gusty wind. Longer lines smooths out the reverb on your arms but it's marginal
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..Sorry don't have a comparison. But the wind range on the PowerPack you attached above from Ozone seems a bit aspirational.
I felt that way about the original PR range, but if nothing else, it looks expanded which is great. bwalnut remember you and I debated on the BRM upper hand when jibing? The moment you keep your bar one handed in the transition? We discussed how limited was the BRM range and I believe that was the main driver based on which you switched from the Ka'a to the PR.
Yes, that was a major deciding factor for me on dropping the Ka'a and switching to PR. I have the benefit of the 3m PR being my largest size so the line length was never a major concern. However, I'll admit I loved the 2.4m PR line length and jibe behavior. If I could have all my lines that length and not lose the upwind and depower characteristics I'd be stoked.
Any chance you've gotten your hands on a Hatch yet? I'm hoping to set up a demo on those soon but this time of year is rough for local conditions. Winds are cold and violent so testing new gear isn't especially amazing.
It sounds like you're stoked and I'm usually down to pay a premium for top gear, so my simple question for you is just is it worth the additional price tag? It sounds like the durability was bumped up a notch too which is what I really wanted to hear about the next gen ozone stuff.
Sorry did not try the hatch yet.
the durability concerns I, myself, wrote Ozone customer service about when I owned the PR are gone. battens are much beefier, trailing edge has double rip protection and connection points are stitched and reinforced properly. In my opinion if I had to choose again which parawing quiver to buy I'd have zero doubt..and trust me switching from BRM was hard for me because, with time, I really got used to the Kanaha which I rode in a large variety of conditions.
Cheers! Awesome rundown and stoke reboot for me. Dead season here so I can wait a few months and see what the PRv2 looks like as well.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..eppo said..AnyBoard said..SlowlyButSurely said..
Tried PowerPack first time today. Absolutely amazing. I am honestly speechless.
Coming from Pocket Rocket first and then BRM Kanahas (was looking for that short line feel) I think the PP is the ultimate, perfect blend of both.
* Retract and redeploy became a 100% success rate biz.
* Lines are sturdy and easy on the hand palms.
* construction quality is outstanding. Trailing edge is now all reinforced in the high pressure zones.
* wind range is excellent on both ends and, compared to the BRM, gusts handling is far superior.
This is, by far, the most refined, easy to ride and confidence inspiring Parawing out there by a large margin.
Can you comment on what you were using if for and pw size and wind conditions?
I have observed the pp being ridden over a few sessions in lighter wind and its is a retrograde step from the pr for the application of upwind downwind bump riding in my opinion.
Designers comments were 6/10 for upwind and harder to use than the pr.
Para for a different purpose by the sounds of it than the PR. For wave riding and pure stash and go DW PP sounds great. you want to really crank upwind for Downwind ru s rinse and repeat you want the PR.
I might be the voice outside the chorus here, but in my humble opinion, the PP does everything the PR does but in an easier and more accessible format.
dont think as the PP vs PR in terms of BRM Maliko vs Ka'a, because it is not.
I think maybe in the bottom of the range the PP is a little harder than PR because it's more sensitive to stalling but because the de-power is so good you can ride a size up and on that size its the easiest of anything I've tried, I'd put a total beginner on an upsized PP over the PR.
Im very early days into PW, although experienced kiter and winger.
I borrowed mates PR 4.3 and frigate 3.5 fir a week or so before buying the PP 4.3.
Ive found the PP light, stable, powerful and easier to use than the PR, although that one was very well used, the frigate i found good with a huge range too. But overall im pleased with my PP, as its coped well with a couple of maxed sessions, so much so, ive ordered a 3.6 as well.
I rode my Ozone 4.3m Pocket Rocket back-to-back with 4.3 Powerpack on a 15-knot day. I have ordered a PP 4.3 with the intent of replacing the 4.3 PR but have since decided to keep both due to difference in upwind ability. I typically just do downwind runs with the car shuttles at our local and having the PR allows use to head out to sea around 3 to 4km before turning for the downwind run, it has really opened our run as it has taken away the need to cut when up on foil, The PP will be perfect for this due to its ease of use and pack down.
I will keep the PR for the upwind downwind runs from the same beach. Looking at my GPS tracks, at a guess, I am losing around 10 degrees of upwind ability on both tacks which over say a 30-minute upwind journey before turning back and packing down is quite a difference in distance covered.
Select to expand quoteCapt.Gumby said..
I rode my Ozone 4.3m Pocket Rocket back-to-back with 4.3 Powerpack on a 15-knot day. I have ordered a PP 4.3 with the intent of replacing the 4.3 PR but have since decided to keep both due to difference in upwind ability. I typically just do downwind runs with the car shuttles at our local and having the PR allows use to head out to sea around 3 to 4km before turning for the downwind run, it has really opened our run as it has taken away the need to cut when up on foil, The PP will be perfect for this due to its ease of use and pack down.
I will keep the PR for the upwind downwind runs from the same beach. Looking at my GPS tracks, at a guess, I am losing around 10 degrees of upwind ability on both tacks which over say a 30-minute upwind journey before turning back and packing down is quite a difference in distance covered.
Makes sense - not buying this Pp is just as good heading upwind - even starting (although using a one size bigger was mentioned ), physics is physics what you take from one you give to the other and visa versa, given same rider, same foil, same water conditions. Anyhow will find out soon some PPs to arrive shortly and man it will
ne nice as packing that 4.3m PR and getting it right for accurate deployment is quite an ordeal 
Taking the PP 3.6 out tomorrow for a back to back with the PR, I will do my best to hate it as I'm a bit broke after xmas.
Select to expand quoteCH3MTR4IL5 said..
Taking the PP 3.6 out tomorrow for a back to back with the PR, I will do my best to hate it as I'm a bit broke after xmas.
haha - yeh mate report back. We will do the same thing on the same foils when it arrives. Back to back in the water - swap it over and the like with another rider. Shoukd be very interesting as i used a naish hatch the other day for a run.
Select to expand quoteCapt.Gumby said..
I rode my Ozone 4.3m Pocket Rocket back-to-back with 4.3 Powerpack on a 15-knot day. I have ordered a PP 4.3 with the intent of replacing the 4.3 PR but have since decided to keep both due to difference in upwind ability. I typically just do downwind runs with the car shuttles at our local and having the PR allows use to head out to sea around 3 to 4km before turning for the downwind run, it has really opened our run as it has taken away the need to cut when up on foil, The PP will be perfect for this due to its ease of use and pack down.
I will keep the PR for the upwind downwind runs from the same beach. Looking at my GPS tracks, at a guess, I am losing around 10 degrees of upwind ability on both tacks which over say a 30-minute upwind journey before turning back and packing down is quite a difference in distance covered.
Do you have tracks for both the PR & PP? My girlfriend wrote a good tool to compare upwind performance. It's still being actively developed so let me know if there's any bugs.
foil-lab-web.vercel.app/
We're getting a few PP sizes soon so we'll be doing some comparisons
