"The PowerPack is different to your amazing Pocket Rocket, The Powerpack has been designed for the Stash in mind. Your Pocket Rocket is still a great allrounder."
Manual: ozonekites.com/powerpack-manual/
Pull the front bridle lines from the control bar side to the wing canopy by hand. This will automatically position all the leading edge reinforcement battens next to each other.
Easier packing is the obvious advantage, but with shorter lines and lower aspect ratio, this PW will probably feel easier to use and more powerful, though with less upwind performance and speed.Any insights ?
This looks very Interesting to me even if there is some upwind performance loss I'm not too fused but i hope the lines are Kevlar and not dyneema. Also, I like to use the rear line stall to stow method and this wing looks like only the front lines are thicker but I guess I can change method. Leading edge looks very nice with all the bridal connection points. Very much looking forward to hearing more. Looks very nice.
Select to expand quoteSheps said..
This looks very Interesting to me even if there is some upwind performance loss I'm not too fused but i hope the lines are Kevlar and not dyneema. Also, I like to use the rear line stall to stow method and this wing looks like only the front lines are thicker but I guess I can change method. Leading edge looks very nice with all the bridal connection points. Very much looking forward to hearing more. Looks very nice.
You would need cut proof gloves to use Kevlar lines, no chance.
Select to expand quoteSheps said..
This looks very Interesting to me even if there is some upwind performance loss I'm not too fused but i hope the lines are Kevlar and not dyneema. Also, I like to use the rear line stall to stow method and this wing looks like only the front lines are thicker but I guess I can change method. Leading edge looks very nice with all the bridal connection points. Very much looking forward to hearing more. Looks very nice.
The bridles are a new material - but I don't know what.
Select to expand quoteairsail said..Sheps said..
This looks very Interesting to me even if there is some upwind performance loss I'm not too fused but i hope the lines are Kevlar and not dyneema. Also, I like to use the rear line stall to stow method and this wing looks like only the front lines are thicker but I guess I can change method. Leading edge looks very nice with all the bridal connection points. Very much looking forward to hearing more. Looks very nice.
You would need cut proof gloves to use Kevlar lines, no chance.
Yeh I did a bit more research and seems Kevlar isn't the way to go. The BRM and Gong lines are nice whatever that material is. Just not the Ozone Dyneema please!
Sabfoil Ala dw lines are great and doesn't tangle that much Vs my pocket rocket. Ozone has way to many lines on the Ozone pocket Vs Sabfoil Ala dw. The new version seems to have many lines as well=drag.
Intressting to see how much upwind you loose with this design Vs pocket rocket.
Select to expand quoteMikedubs said..
Get mine next week, cant wait.
Keep us posted!
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So what's a secondhand pocket rocket worth now?
Interesting how they very specifically encouraged beginners to stick with the pocket rocket, I wonder in practice how different they are.
I'm one of those that loved the pocket rocket but also wasn't a huge fan of the material used for the lines. As someone with no kiting background I'm exceptionally good at getting tangles and ozones lines seem to do it more often than say a frigate I was also using.
Looks like the huge leaps in performance are slowing, increased wind range is really what I'm hoping to see.
Select to expand quotedrc13 said..airsail said..
So what's a secondhand pocket rocket worth now?
Interesting how they very specifically encouraged beginners to stick with the pocket rocket, I wonder in practice how different they are.
I'm one of those that loved the pocket rocket but also wasn't a huge fan of the material used for the lines. As someone with no kiting background I'm exceptionally good at getting tangles and ozones lines seem to do it more often than say a frigate I was also using.
Looks like the huge leaps in performance are slowing, increased wind range is really what I'm hoping to see.
I couldn't do the tangle lines even if very cheap secondhand
yeh think there is some over reaction here . I've used the PR many times now (4.3 and 3.6) and if you are competant enough there is no issue with the lines - like any bit of kit you learn to use it. But man they are so good to fly and rip upwind if needed. But no doubt they could be better but not a deal breaker for me. Just learn your pack down and get better.
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yeh think there is some over reaction here
Not sure I'd categorise it as an over reaction, I still consider the PR in the upper echelon of currently available parawings but if we are going to compare products against each other on a product as simple in design as a parawing something like line material seems like a fair category to rate it upon and point out room for improvement.
That sneaky russian Dimitry gets all the new toys!
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From this review it confirms what I had guessed about the power packs upwind abilities. Not as good as the pocket rocket but still pretty decent. It would be weird if ozone brought out a pwing that didn't go upwind at all.
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So what's a secondhand pocket rocket worth now?
Same as before. This isn't a replacement product so there's no change in value IMO.
I see them selling used in the states for $800ish
The foilrat interview with the designer is pretty good. I didn't listen to the whole thing but just checked out the comparison to pocket rocket info. In there the designer says the pocket rocket scores a 10/10 for upwind while the Power Pack gets a 6 or 7 out of 10 due to the cupped trailing edge that is far more powerful for takeoff.
So how does the PR that scores 10/10 goes upwind against a wing? Is that similar?
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So how does the PR that scores 10/10 goes upwind against a wing? Is that similar?
Pretty similar once you have it dialed. I'm a little more efficient with a wing, but I'm also just more experienced with a wing (and I can hit 100% of my tacks with a wing vs 0% with a parawing where I am gybing). If I take too hard an angle with the parawing, and I hit less powered water (like the back of swell), I need to bear off a little to keep lift in the foil. Hard to explain until you feel it, but I feel like theres a finer line with the parawing between going upwind efficiently and pointing too far. The real experienced guys are going upwind just as efficiently with a PR vs a wing. PR seems to be one of the most efficient single skins upwind and double skins are even more efficient than the PR.
Reasonable comparison other than the windspeed being lower for the wing but the foil and location is the same.
3m Ocean Rodeo AA Wing in 24 knots of wind.
3m Ozone Pocket Rocket in 30 knots of wind.
So, extremely close if all you are considering is upwind angles.
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The foilrat interview with the designer is pretty good. I didn't listen to the whole thing but just checked out the comparison to pocket rocket info. In there the designer says the pocket rocket scores a 10/10 for upwind while the Power Pack gets a 6 or 7 out of 10 due to the cupped trailing edge that is far more powerful for takeoff.
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So maybe what we need is a wang that can form a cupped trailing edge for takeoff then un-cup for going upwind?
Select to expand quotebroVan said..BWalnut said..
The foilrat interview with the designer is pretty good. I didn't listen to the whole thing but just checked out the comparison to pocket rocket info. In there the designer says the pocket rocket scores a 10/10 for upwind while the Power Pack gets a 6 or 7 out of 10 due to the cupped trailing edge that is far more powerful for takeoff.
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So maybe what we need is a wang that can form a cupped trailing edge for takeoff then un-cup for going upwind?
I was thinking the same thing. C line cleat.
Select to expand quotebroVan said..BWalnut said..
The foilrat interview with the designer is pretty good. I didn't listen to the whole thing but just checked out the comparison to pocket rocket info. In there the designer says the pocket rocket scores a 10/10 for upwind while the Power Pack gets a 6 or 7 out of 10 due to the cupped trailing edge that is far more powerful for takeoff.
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So maybe what we need is a wang that can form a cupped trailing edge for takeoff then un-cup for going upwind?
Look frwd to feeling how that cupped trailing edge and fuller 'parachute' profile of the cells behaves when edging hard upwind.
Will all that 'scooping' not contribute to canopy bagging out with all those water starts?
