Select to expand quoteDukeSilver said..
OK, Im about to pull the trigger on a Pocket Rocket. I'm in a quandary as to which size to get. Wavering between a 3.6 and a 4.3.
I'm in Perth WA. Average sea breeze is probably 17-23kts over summer.
Aim is to learn to do upwind / downwind circuits.
I'm around 82kg without a wetsuit.
Board is a Smik StokR Breeze - 6'x19.5"x 85L
Foil is a Sabfoil 980 Razor - 938cm2, AR 10, good early lift.
Im an intermediate winger and have 7 years kite foil experience.
While the 3.6m will probably be great in the conditions that are good for DW'ing, I'm worried that the power needed to get onto foil in the learning phase may not be enough and the 4.3 may make the first stages easier. It also seems the Pocket Rocket will handle going upwind overpowered a bit better than most parawings due to its' canopy stability when sheeted out.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Started on a 2.9m BRM and it was frustrating unless there was 20 knots plus. 6 3 x 21 x 95l with my 90kg. As your skills develop it gets easier to get up by coordinating the wave bump, leg pump and wing pump. Bigger board and foil really makes a difference to learn. I am on a 5 10 x 21 x 85l board now.
The 3.6 will be better in the long run but may be frustrating over winter with the lighter gustier winds. 4.3 will be a handful in strong wind and to stow.
Select to expand quotehilly said..DukeSilver said..
OK, Im about to pull the trigger on a Pocket Rocket. I'm in a quandary as to which size to get. Wavering between a 3.6 and a 4.3.
I'm in Perth WA. Average sea breeze is probably 17-23kts over summer.
Aim is to learn to do upwind / downwind circuits.
I'm around 82kg without a wetsuit.
Board is a Smik StokR Breeze - 6'x19.5"x 85L
Foil is a Sabfoil 980 Razor - 938cm2, AR 10, good early lift.
Im an intermediate winger and have 7 years kite foil experience.
While the 3.6m will probably be great in the conditions that are good for DW'ing, I'm worried that the power needed to get onto foil in the learning phase may not be enough and the 4.3 may make the first stages easier. It also seems the Pocket Rocket will handle going upwind overpowered a bit better than most parawings due to its' canopy stability when sheeted out.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Started on a 2.9m BRM and it was frustrating unless there was 20 knots plus. 6 3 x 21 x 95l with my 90kg. As your skills develop it gets easier to get up by coordinating the wave bump, leg pump and wing pump. Bigger board and foil really makes a difference to learn. I am on a 5 10 x 21 x 85l board now.
The 3.6 will be better in the long run but may be frustrating over winter with the lighter gustier winds. 4.3 will be a handful in strong wind and to stow.
Cheers for the advice Hilly. I hear what you're saying about the long run and agree. But I've seen your winging vids and your skills are definitely up there compared to mine. Your long run may be Margs to Perth. Mine is likely to be Perth to Melbourne. Bloody hell this is a nerve wracking first world problem. I'm starting to lean towards the 3.6m. If too hard on my mid length, I may have to get a small DW board.
Select to expand quoteDukeSilver said..
My major concern is the roll stability (or lack of) in my new ML board. At 19.5" wide, I rely heavily on having my wing next to me to lean on when transitioning from straddling to kneeling.
This isn't as big a problem you think it will be. The parawing is above your head providing uplift, and you can stabilise yourself against the bar (unless it's really light).
size-wise, it sounds like more of a funding issue. get 2 sizes and take em both out
Select to expand quoteDukeSilver said..
OK, Im about to pull the trigger on a Pocket Rocket. I'm in a quandary as to which size to get. Wavering between a 3.6 and a 4.3.
I'm in Perth WA. Average sea breeze is probably 17-23kts over summer.
Aim is to learn to do upwind / downwind circuits.
I'm around 82kg without a wetsuit.
Board is a Smik StokR Breeze - 6'x19.5"x 85L
Foil is a Sabfoil 980 Razor - 938cm2, AR 10, good early lift.
Im an intermediate winger and have 7 years kite foil experience.
While the 3.6m will probably be great in the conditions that are good for DW'ing, I'm worried that the power needed to get onto foil in the learning phase may not be enough and the 4.3 may make the first stages easier. It also seems the Pocket Rocket will handle going upwind overpowered a bit better than most parawings due to its' canopy stability when sheeted out.
Any advice greatly appreciated.
Definitely the 4.3 when learning, especially if you're not going to use a downwind board. Imagine trying to get foiling with a 3.6 wing if you can't pump it, that's what a parawing is like so bigger for initial learning is better.
Ordered my 4.3
What colours are you guys going with?
This was the favourite pick from my daughters cos it had pink in it
Select to expand quoteMicrosurfer said..
Ordered my 4.3
What colours are you guys going with?
This was the favourite pick from my daughters cos it had pink in it
The top one would be my pick. The other one looks good too. How long til it arrives?
I'll be ordering mine today I think. I'm excited to try this thing. I will interested to see if I'll continue winging once I get proficient at parawinging. I hope so. I only just upgraded my wing quiver. I assume winging will still have it's place in more marginal conditions.
Select to expand quoteDukeSilver said..Microsurfer said..
Ordered my 4.3
What colours are you guys going with?
This was the favourite pick from my daughters cos it had pink in it
The top one would be my pick. The other one looks good too. How long til it arrives?
I'll be ordering mine today I think. I'm excited to try this thing. I will interested to see if I'll continue winging once I get proficient at parawinging. I hope so. I only just upgraded my wing quiver. I assume winging will still have it's place in more marginal conditions.
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Yeah the top one is the one i ordered. Email back from the shop says production 33 days & 10 days back to the shop & I guess 3 days down to where I live. The wind drops off here for winter unless there's a storm coming through so I'm not worried about the timeline. I too have recently upgraded my wings albeit with older models on sale. I think at this stage I will only PW when conditions suit & wing on the marginal days. I think it'll be an interesting challenge going right back to kook level again.
Select to expand quoteDukeSilver said.. I assume winging will still have it's place in more marginal conditions.
And in waves 
I'm hearing people are shorting the lines by 9.5" to get better maneuverability and smaller stow package. Similar to NEW BRM. Anybody try this yet?
Select to expand quoteMicrosurfer said..DukeSilver said..Microsurfer said..
Ordered my 4.3
What colours are you guys going with?
This was the favourite pick from my daughters cos it had pink in it
The top one would be my pick. The other one looks good too. How long til it arrives?
I'll be ordering mine today I think. I'm excited to try this thing. I will interested to see if I'll continue winging once I get proficient at parawinging. I hope so. I only just upgraded my wing quiver. I assume winging will still have it's place in more marginal conditions.
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Yeah the top one is the one i ordered. Email back from the shop says production 33 days & 10 days back to the shop & I guess 3 days down to where I live. The wind drops off here for winter unless there's a storm coming through so I'm not worried about the timeline. I too have recently upgraded my wings albeit with older models on sale. I think at this stage I will only PW when conditions suit & wing on the marginal days. I think it'll be an interesting challenge going right back to kook level again.
I ordered and paid for mine today. The shop had told me vie email the next batch would be arriving at the shop in the next couple of days. When I called to see if the delivery would arrive at my place sometime next week, I was told it would be 5 weeks!!! Not a happy camper. First world problems I guess
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New 4.3m PR arrived. Had a quick flight while on the beach. Tried actively to stall it and pump it. It seems v firm. I am a total newbie. But started to get the hang of it. Tried moving it from one side to the other which closed eyes about 100x to mimic (hopefully) how the pw travels during a jibe.
Fold and deploy is not for kids. It is cumsbersome even from the beach only.
I tried different techniques (front lines only and all the lines) and the all-lines fold results in a much better ordered fold.
lines got tangled, sometime in a really messy way, and I expect this to be quite a problem in an uncontrolled environment such as a high wind scenario with choppy waters. Having some experience untangling kite lines while hooked seems very beneficial
as I progress I will post a series of beach exercises to do in order to get a feeling about the Parawing. Hopefully they should translate in a better experience in the water. waiting on a 120L Midlength and then will hit the water.
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
New 4.3m PR arrived. Had a quick flight while on the beach. Tried actively to stall it and pump it. It seems v firm. I am a total newbie. But started to get the hang of it. Tried moving it from one side to the other which closed eyes about 100x to mimic (hopefully) how the pw travels during a jibe.
Fold and deploy is not for kids. It is cumsbersome even from the beach only.
I tried different techniques (front lines only and all the lines) and the all-lines fold results in a much better ordered fold.
lines got tangled, sometime in a really messy way, and I expect this to be quite a problem in an uncontrolled environment such as a high wind scenario with choppy waters. Having some experience untangling kite lines while hooked seems very beneficial
as I progress I will post a series of beach exercises to do in order to get a feeling about the Parawing. Hopefully they should translate in a better experience in the water. waiting on a 120L Midlength and then will hit the water.
I'm envious. Looks beautiful
. Oh well, I've got 5 weeks to mentally prepare for another bout of getting my ass handed to me by a new water sport.
What are folks finding the low end is for their 3m Ozone PR? I weigh 195lbs and feel the low end of the 3m is going to start around 18+ for me.
Curious what everyone is finding for the bottom end on the pocket rocket 3m. I finally had some 15-20mph conditions yesterday and I tried to get out with 3m. I was a little disappointed by the lack of low end grunt. Perhaps it was more 15 than 20 but I would have thought I could get up on my dw board. I was using my Unifoil 155 evo which needs some speed to pop up so that played a role. Probably could have done it with my p200.
I was having no trouble starting the evo 155 with my mid length and my BRM v1 5.1. The BRM is a lower aspect design, wondering if the BRM 2.9 would have had more low end grunt than the pocket rocket.
It's all about design trade offs I am confident the Ozone will have more top end range which is why I bought it. I think it fits in my quiver nicely with the 5.1, I guess I was just thinking there would be more overlap.
Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..
What are folks finding the low end is for their 3m Ozone PR? I weigh 195lbs and feel the low end of the 3m is going to start around 18+ for me.
Curious what everyone is finding for the bottom end on the pocket rocket 3m. I finally had some 15-20mph conditions yesterday and I tried to get out with 3m. I was a little disappointed by the lack of low end grunt. Perhaps it was more 15 than 20 but I would have thought I could get up on my dw board. I was using my Unifoil 155 evo which needs some speed to pop up so that played a role. Probably could have done it with my p200.
I was having no trouble starting the evo 155 with my mid length and my BRM v1 5.1. The BRM is a lower aspect design, wondering if the BRM 2.9 would have had more low end grunt than the pocket rocket.
It's all about design trade offs I am confident the Ozone will have more top end range which is why I bought it. I think it fits in my quiver nicely with the 5.1, I guess I was just thinking there would be more overlap.
Lower aspect parawings start at lower wind strengths than those higher aspect as they sit deeper in the window catching more wind. But off course the reverse is true, in higher wind ranges the low aspect parawing will get overpowered sooner and you will need to change down a size.
Exactly the trade off I mean to highlight here. If your primary use case is dw and you want to ride the smallest possible pw than a lower aspect design is the way to go. Parawings already lack low end on the start, higher aspect designs that sit further towards the edge of the window further reduce your available power at the start and limit your availability to bare off and use the wind swell to start. As soon as I would point dw the power from the pocket rocket was significantly reduced.
With the limited speed I was able to create I would need to use a large slow foil to make up for the lack of low end. Challenge here is I have enough experience on the parawing now that I am craving being on faster foils.
We are all just figuring out this new discipline. Wanted to share to help others decide what gear fits their riding best. I personally don't do much riding in place and think a lower aspect 3m might fit my needs better. I am able to match the average upwind angle of wingers when I do ride in place with my BRM. This may be just be frustration speaking from a Floridian who's 3m arrived late and missed the windy season
Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..
Exactly the trade off I mean to highlight here. If your primary use case is dw and you want to ride the smallest possible pw than a lower aspect design is the way to go. Parawings already lack low end on the start, higher aspect designs that sit further towards the edge of the window further reduce your available power at the start and limit your availability to bare off and use the wind swell to start. As soon as I would point dw the power from the pocket rocket was significantly reduced.
With the limited speed I was able to create I would need to use a large slow foil to make up for the lack of low end. Challenge here is I have enough experience on the parawing now that I am craving being on faster foils.
We are all just figuring out this new discipline. Wanted to share to help others decide what gear fits their riding best. I personally don't do much riding in place and think a lower aspect 3m might fit my needs better. I am able to match the average upwind angle of wingers when I do ride in place with my BRM. This may be just be frustration speaking from a Floridian who's 3m arrived late and missed the windy season
I am able to bare off wind with my pocket rocket fine while using the bumps to start. It flies like a Kite in a way that is very useful at the bottom end.
With small downwind board and my light 65kgs, 12 knots seems to be enough to get up and stay up on a 3m. I think the higher aspect actually helps low end provided you are on a board that allows the apparent wind to build speed while you work the leg pump. Once on foil the higher aspect will definitely keep you up on foil as it builds more speed. I don't think low aspect helps in lightish wind and its strengths are in allowing you to choose a smaller wing to start in high winds if just going DW.
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..CFL Foiler said..
Exactly the trade off I mean to highlight here. If your primary use case is dw and you want to ride the smallest possible pw than a lower aspect design is the way to go. Parawings already lack low end on the start, higher aspect designs that sit further towards the edge of the window further reduce your available power at the start and limit your availability to bare off and use the wind swell to start. As soon as I would point dw the power from the pocket rocket was significantly reduced.
With the limited speed I was able to create I would need to use a large slow foil to make up for the lack of low end. Challenge here is I have enough experience on the parawing now that I am craving being on faster foils.
We are all just figuring out this new discipline. Wanted to share to help others decide what gear fits their riding best. I personally don't do much riding in place and think a lower aspect 3m might fit my needs better. I am able to match the average upwind angle of wingers when I do ride in place with my BRM. This may be just be frustration speaking from a Floridian who's 3m arrived late and missed the windy season
I am able to bare off wind with my pocket rocket fine while using the bumps to start. It flies like a Kite in a way that is very useful at the bottom end.
With small downwind board and my light 65kgs, 12 knots seems to be enough to get up and stay up on a 3m. I think the higher aspect actually helps low end provided you are on a board that allows the apparent wind to build speed while you work the leg pump. Once on foil the higher aspect will definitely keep you up on foil as it builds more speed. I don't think low aspect helps in lightish wind and its strengths are in allowing you to choose a smaller wing to start in high winds if just going DW.
I tend to agree that the lower aspect wings have better low end and make it easier to use bump energy to get going. I've flown the Ozone and found the longer lines and higher aspect meant that it pulled more to the side and not at the back of the window making it great upwind and grunty in the "sweet spot". For longer boards this means you can get apparent wind to help you get up. However, when bumps are big I tend to want to tap into the bump energy way more and apparent wind is just not going to be possible as the ocean energy is just not in the right alignment. Here, short lines and low aspect really is my go to for tapping into the bump energy, flying the parawing deep in the window, in closer alignment with the ocean energy and then just pumping the board. Having the foil try to cross a big bump just for a bit of apparent wind is counter productive in my opinion.
I want to clarify something. in light wind, 10 to 15 knots, your low aspect downwind approach won't give you bottom end as you quickly release pressure from the lines with each little bump. In this light scenario apparent wind is required for best low end success and line length and aspect is king as long as you have the technique to make the most of the potential power.
In stronger winds, over 15 knots at least, the low aspect will help to go direct downwind no doubt as yes it naturally sits deeper in the window as you point out. In this scenario if you passively let your ozone fly at the edge of the window you will be disadvantaged. If you fly it deep in the window with those longer lines you will get a serious power spike as it travels through the window.
On toe side the ozone pulls me straight down wind in over 15 knots.
My point is bottom end in good wind is very different to bottom end in light wind and bottom end once foiling is also different to bottom end to get up. The higher aspect is better in all circumstances except good wind straight downwind. The funny thing was the original brm could not be pumped compared to the flow and ozone and therefore the flow very quickly got market traction over the brm.
in all flying circumstances higher aspect is king where power is minimal at the bottom end and efficiency is important.
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..
I want to clarify something. in light wind, 10 to 15 knots, your low aspect downwind approach won't give you bottom end as you quickly release pressure from the lines with each little bump. In this light scenario apparent wind is required for best low end success and line length and aspect is king as long as you have the technique to make the most of the potential power.
In stronger winds, over 15 knots at least, the low aspect will help to go direct downwind no doubt as yes it naturally sits deeper in the window as you point out. In this scenario if you passively let your ozone fly at the edge of the window you will be disadvantaged. If you fly it deep in the window with those longer lines you will get a serious power spike as it travels through the window.
On toe side the ozone pulls me straight down wind in over 15 knots.
My point is bottom end in good wind is very different to bottom end in light wind and bottom end once foiling is also different to bottom end to get up. The higher aspect is better in all circumstances except good wind straight downwind. The funny thing was the original brm could not be pumped compared to the flow and ozone and therefore the flow very quickly got market traction over the brm.
in all flying circumstances higher aspect is king where power is minimal at the bottom end and efficiency is important.
Line tension is certainly a consideration of course but what I think many are finding, especially in light wind and with a lot of ocean energy is the ability of low aspect wings being better able to align the wind and ocean energy. You still maintain line tension while reducing the amount of edge to get speed. Climbing over bumps in light wind kills so much speed there comes a time to tap into more ocean. Shorter lines helps too for this method even if it means not having as clean air. It's good we have different techniques and can get more out of different type of wings. Personally I find I rarely struggle to get up in light wind but struggle more at the top end.
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..
With small downwind board and my light 65kgs, 12 knots seems to be enough to get up and stay up on a 3m. I think the higher aspect actually helps low end provided you are on a board that allows the apparent wind to build speed while you work the leg pump. Once on foil the higher aspect will definitely keep you up on foil as it builds more speed. I don't think low aspect helps in lightish wind and its strengths are in allowing you to choose a smaller wing to start in high winds if just going DW.
Good reference point for lighter riders but your experience will be very different than heavier riders like my self at 88kgs. Probably worth at least 2m in pw size. I can start in 12 with my 5m as well.
However the point remains higher aspect designs don't have as much dw pull off the start as lower aspect designs. Won't matter as much when powered, I am sure I will enjoy the 3m when it's 18+ but it will be a challenge for me if the wind drops.
After the on the beach handling couple of days ago, I hit the water for the first time. wind 15-18kt, PR 4.3m, Armstrong HA1080 and a 120L Midlength. I am 95kg, good intermediate wingfoiler. Flat water, little chop
what can I say. It is much easier than what you read on forums and press.
Got up immediately and closed a jibe and foot switches.
I don't think it's me who is particularly gifted but it is the Ozone PR which was the main success factor.
it depowers like a dream, even in stronger gusts, and it goes upwind almost as good as my wing.
I don't know about the other paras, but Ozone really crafted a very accessible product. I used no leash on the wing and no harness. I couldn't last more than 1hr as the bar pressure is definitely there. next time I will get a harness for sure.
if you are on the fence as whether to get involved, just do it and do it with either Ozone or Flysurfer which seem to be the ones which allows decent depower which is crucial,, particularly for beginners. if I can do it, many can
Select to expand quoteSlowlyButSurely said..
After the on the beach handling couple of days ago, I hit the water for the first time. wind 15-18kt, PR 4.3m, Armstrong HA1080 and a 120L Midlength. I am 95kg, good intermediate wingfoiler. Flat water, little chop
what can I say. It is much easier than what you read on forums and press.
Got up immediately and closed a jibe and foot switches.
I don't think it's me who is particularly gifted but it is the Ozone PR which was the main success factor.
it depowers like a dream, even in stronger gusts, and it goes upwind almost as good as my wing.
I don't know about the other paras, but Ozone really crafted a very accessible product. I used no leash on the wing and no harness. I couldn't last more than 1hr as the bar pressure is definitely there. next time I will get a harness for sure.
if you are on the fence as whether to get involved, just do it and do it with either Ozone or Flysurfer which seem to be the ones which allows decent depower which is crucial,, particularly for beginners. if I can do it, many can
Great to hear of your success. I am waiting on the arrival of my 4.3 PR and haven't read many reviews of the Pocket Rocket in that particular size yet - mostly the 3m, so good to read your positive report. out of interest, did you attempt any stows / pack downs either on the water or land? If so, was it able to pack down to an acceptable size - not too bulky?
Definitely some interesting discussion here about high vs low aspect and how it effects the initial get up. I have only tried the flow Dwing which I think is a bit higher aspect and naturally wants to fly forward in the window. When I first started I would just let it fly in the forward position and try to build speed as I went until I could get enough to pump up. I was using an 8ft downwind board which allows for plenty of speed and pumping up. I still find this is my main technique when underpowered. Now sometimes I will use a lot of backline pressure to get it to sit deeper in the window, giving it more initial grunt. The wing will want to move forward in the window and is kind of fighting against the back line pressure. As it does this it creates a good amount of power. Getting it to sit deeper in the window also allows for better bump assistance in the get up.
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..
Definitely some interesting discussion here about high vs low aspect and how it effects the initial get up. I have only tried the flow Dwing which I think is a bit higher aspect and naturally wants to fly forward in the window. When I first started I would just let it fly in the forward position and try to build speed as I went until I could get enough to pump up. I was using an 8ft downwind board which allows for plenty of speed and pumping up. I still find this is my main technique when underpowered. Now sometimes I will use a lot of backline pressure to get it to sit deeper in the window, giving it more initial grunt. The wing will want to move forward in the window and is kind of fighting against the back line pressure. As it does this it creates a good amount of power. Getting it to sit deeper in the window also allows for better bump assistance in the get up.
This is a pretty good description of what I do with my Ozone 3m. Its even why Kites use longer lines for low end to allow the kite to travel through the window and generate apparent wind and consequently much more power.
In bumps I can choose for it to pull me straight DW or any direction all the way to straight across the wind utilizing the bump energy in whichever is the best direction at the exact moment.
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..
Definitely some interesting discussion here about high vs low aspect and how it effects the initial get up. I have only tried the flow Dwing which I think is a bit higher aspect and naturally wants to fly forward in the window. When I first started I would just let it fly in the forward position and try to build speed as I went until I could get enough to pump up. I was using an 8ft downwind board which allows for plenty of speed and pumping up. I still find this is my main technique when underpowered. Now sometimes I will use a lot of backline pressure to get it to sit deeper in the window, giving it more initial grunt. The wing will want to move forward in the window and is kind of fighting against the back line pressure. As it does this it creates a good amount of power. Getting it to sit deeper in the window also allows for better bump assistance in the get up.
The ozone is def bigger aspect than the flow - have had them side by side. More cells in the ozone one to - longer bridles though.
Select to expand quoteDukeSilver said..SlowlyButSurely said..
After the on the beach handling couple of days ago, I hit the water for the first time. wind 15-18kt, PR 4.3m, Armstrong HA1080 and a 120L Midlength. I am 95kg, good intermediate wingfoiler. Flat water, little chop
what can I say. It is much easier than what you read on forums and press.
Got up immediately and closed a jibe and foot switches.
I don't think it's me who is particularly gifted but it is the Ozone PR which was the main success factor.
it depowers like a dream, even in stronger gusts, and it goes upwind almost as good as my wing.
I don't know about the other paras, but Ozone really crafted a very accessible product. I used no leash on the wing and no harness. I couldn't last more than 1hr as the bar pressure is definitely there. next time I will get a harness for sure.
if you are on the fence as whether to get involved, just do it and do it with either Ozone or Flysurfer which seem to be the ones which allows decent depower which is crucial,, particularly for beginners. if I can do it, many can
Great to hear of your success. I am waiting on the arrival of my 4.3 PR and haven't read many reviews of the Pocket Rocket in that particular size yet - mostly the 3m, so good to read your positive report. out of interest, did you attempt any stows / pack downs either on the water or land? If so, was it able to pack down to an acceptable size - not too bulky?
thank you! havent tried on the water, only on land. on 4.3m lines are long, so stowing is not as easy
Select to expand quoteeppo said..Youngbreezy said..
Definitely some interesting discussion here about high vs low aspect and how it effects the initial get up. I have only tried the flow Dwing which I think is a bit higher aspect and naturally wants to fly forward in the window. When I first started I would just let it fly in the forward position and try to build speed as I went until I could get enough to pump up. I was using an 8ft downwind board which allows for plenty of speed and pumping up. I still find this is my main technique when underpowered. Now sometimes I will use a lot of backline pressure to get it to sit deeper in the window, giving it more initial grunt. The wing will want to move forward in the window and is kind of fighting against the back line pressure. As it does this it creates a good amount of power. Getting it to sit deeper in the window also allows for better bump assistance in the get up.
The ozone is def bigger aspect than the flow - have had them side by side. More cells in the ozone one to - longer bridles though.
meant higher aspect fyi
Select to expand quoteDukeSilver said..SlowlyButSurely said..
After the on the beach handling couple of days ago, I hit the water for the first time. wind 15-18kt, PR 4.3m, Armstrong HA1080 and a 120L Midlength. I am 95kg, good intermediate wingfoiler. Flat water, little chop
what can I say. It is much easier than what you read on forums and press.
Got up immediately and closed a jibe and foot switches.
I don't think it's me who is particularly gifted but it is the Ozone PR which was the main success factor.
it depowers like a dream, even in stronger gusts, and it goes upwind almost as good as my wing.
I don't know about the other paras, but Ozone really crafted a very accessible product. I used no leash on the wing and no harness. I couldn't last more than 1hr as the bar pressure is definitely there. next time I will get a harness for sure.
if you are on the fence as whether to get involved, just do it and do it with either Ozone or Flysurfer which seem to be the ones which allows decent depower which is crucial,, particularly for beginners. if I can do it, many can
Great to hear of your success. I am waiting on the arrival of my 4.3 PR and haven't read many reviews of the Pocket Rocket in that particular size yet - mostly the 3m, so good to read your positive report. out of interest, did you attempt any stows / pack downs either on the water or land? If so, was it able to pack down to an acceptable size - not too bulky?
also very interested to hear more about the packdown of the 4.3
Alright I'm in!
Purchased a 3m Pocket Rocket yesterday and was straight out for my first session. Tricky conditions and no prior kiting experience (I've been winging for the past year)
Setup was
6'10 x 20 @95L board
Code 1130s
Code 158AR tail
Small Fuse
75cm mast
3m Pocket Rocket
I managed to get on foil a few times but no where near the stage of stowing/redeploying. The biggest issue by far was with the wind and swell direction in my strong stance (goofy) I was having to try to get going against the swell which I found tricky.
Typed up some basic thoughts and points, probably exactly the same as anyone else who's just come in from a first parawing session, but I left thinking yep with some time this will definitely be doable.Thoughts:
Not as hard to fly and keep in the sky as I thought
Tangles happened but weren't impossible to sort out. The leash was my biggest issue hopefully that gets better with experience or I'll just ditch the leash.
Not that bad to relaunch after drowning it. Empty the water, spread it out and get some wind in the leading edge.
Seems very condition dependent, my 3m generally felt well sized maybe a smidge under in today's conditions (I would have used a 4m wing in same conditions)
Definitely learn with a big foil with a decent low end and board you can stand on to start (you don't get the added stability the wing provides)
Biggest challenge today was being goofy stance so my stronger side meant I was going against the wind and bumps which made it tricky to pump the board and get started. I'll need to work on learning to start in my switch stance (again harder than with a wing as you don't have the stability and you have to pump with your legs a lot more)
Much harder to slog back/stay upwind if you aren't on foil (could have been a technique issue)
Much easier to walk to/from the water, less setup time. Also easy to stick under my chest when I had to prone paddle
Watching a few other guys out there today definitely showed the potential I believe there's something there if you want to ride bumps without the wing or paddle or most importantly to me the car shuttle
I went back out after with my wing and loved having so much power and control over it, room for both disciplines and I'd say that winging in the surf will still be my main foil discipline but the parawing will be a fun challenge in the meantime.
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Alright I'm in!
Purchased a 3m Pocket Rocket yesterday and was straight out for my first session. Tricky conditions and no prior kiting experience (I've been winging for the past year)
Setup was
6'10 x 20 @95L board
Code 1130s
Code 158AR tail
Small Fuse
75cm mast
3m Pocket Rocket
I managed to get on foil a few times but no where near the stage of stowing/redeploying. The biggest issue by far was with the wind and swell direction in my strong stance (goofy) I was having to try to get going against the swell which I found tricky.
Typed up some basic thoughts and points, probably exactly the same as anyone else who's just come in from a first parawing session, but I left thinking yep with some time this will definitely be doable.Thoughts:
Not as hard to fly and keep in the sky as I thought
Tangles happened but weren't impossible to sort out. The leash was my biggest issue hopefully that gets better with experience or I'll just ditch the leash.
Not that bad to relaunch after drowning it. Empty the water, spread it out and get some wind in the leading edge.
Seems very condition dependent, my 3m generally felt well sized maybe a smidge under in today's conditions (I would have used a 4m wing in same conditions)
Definitely learn with a big foil with a decent low end and board you can stand on to start (you don't get the added stability the wing provides)
Biggest challenge today was being goofy stance so my stronger side meant I was going against the wind and bumps which made it tricky to pump the board and get started. I'll need to work on learning to start in my switch stance (again harder than with a wing as you don't have the stability and you have to pump with your legs a lot more)
Much harder to slog back/stay upwind if you aren't on foil (could have been a technique issue)
Much easier to walk to/from the water, less setup time. Also easy to stick under my chest when I had to prone paddle
Watching a few other guys out there today definitely showed the potential I believe there's something there if you want to ride bumps without the wing or paddle or most importantly to me the car shuttle
I went back out after with my wing and loved having so much power and control over it, room for both disciplines and I'd say that winging in the surf will still be my main foil discipline but the parawing will be a fun challenge in the meantime.
Hey good to hear you had a decent first session. Just a small tip. Getting going toeside is almost as easy as getting going on your strong side. Different to winging where getting to your feet and getting on foil toeside is alot more difficult. With the one handed flying parawing allows for a good comfortable stance toeside. For my local conditions I am often either starting against the bumps on my strong side or with the bumps toeside. In this situation usually going with the bumps toeside is easier.
