Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..
Oh man that's a serious bummer. Good news is you were ripping so hard you did not notice it fall off your belt! Really cool to hear your already preferring the parawing over the wing. Do you still see a place for both in your quiver?
Could be worse, a local rider just lost his gen 2 FD when he hit something while riding.
Ya, was just getting too complacent with it. Will not make that mistake again.
For heavy shore break type of conditions a parawing will be difficult and dangerous to use. A wing will be much easier to manage and to get out of the impact zone.
I am super bullish on the parawing and have no desire to wing currently. My local conditions are perfectly setup for the parawing.
I'm finally getting my KT Super K setup dialled and currently believe Parawing will work well and not be harder to manage than a wing in winter conditions so will be pushing it as far as I can this winter season.
Select to expand quotefoilthegreats said..
So I lost my 2.9m today. Basically packed it away into the pouch and put 1 strap on. Surfed hard for a few minutes to shore into some medium Lake Ontario shore break. Not sure when it fell out but haven't found it yet. Just wanted to remind you to stow the parawing properly and put the bar into its holder and strap it done properly. Save you some frustration. Funny thing is I ended up taking my 3m wing out to go do some laps looking for it and was so not into using a wing again. Really felt like a downgrade I was not expecting to feel that way.
Sorry for your loss. What do you think about connecting a leash to the back of the bar, such as suggested here? (at around the 6 min mark)
Select to expand quotelobodomar said..foilthegreats said..
So I lost my 2.9m today. Basically packed it away into the pouch and put 1 strap on. Surfed hard for a few minutes to shore into some medium Lake Ontario shore break. Not sure when it fell out but haven't found it yet. Just wanted to remind you to stow the parawing properly and put the bar into its holder and strap it done properly. Save you some frustration. Funny thing is I ended up taking my 3m wing out to go do some laps looking for it and was so not into using a wing again. Really felt like a downgrade I was not expecting to feel that way.
Sorry for your loss. What do you think about connecting a leash to the back of the bar, such as suggested here? (at around the 6 min mark)
I thought about it and it would have saved me from losing but I ride in and out of shore break and don't like the idea of being attached to a sea anchor. I also think a leash will just complicate the stow and redeploy making even harder. I was just careless on the stow and have learnt an expensive lesson. My new 2.9m will be delivered today so I'm lucky enough to be back in action soon! 
I would say it would be ideal if they can somehow engineer a buoyant parawing so these types of mishaps don't happen.
And another video. Starting to feel I'm getting the Super K figured out setup wise with the AFS foils and parawing. Got the straps finally into I believe the final position but need another round of testing. Straps make it much easier I find. Had my first session on the AFS Silk 650/132 and was easy to get up. Just need some bigger swell/waves and it will be an amazing time.
Dang FTG! Thanks for taking one for the team and putting out the warning to us to make sure it's secure.
Now that the fall winds are finally blowing, I'm finally putting the PW to use in my favorite spot. I, like FTG, haven't used my standard wings since the PWs arrived. My winging had progressed to a point where I was basically targeting very specific conditions with tide against wind, setting up perfect bump riding. The wing just gets annoying in those scenarios.
Here's a screen grab of my lunch break session on Friday:
This was the best conditions I've had yet, perfect 2.9M wind, around 15-24mph on the meter, paired with a 55L Armie ML and 1080 foil, 180 stab (68kgs w/out 5/4). I could have been on the 880.
Swell was doing its best Gorge impersonation with stomach high groomed swells that seemed to keep going and going. If you look closely at my tracks, you can see the squiggles. Each one was linked banking hard carves on repeat for hundreds of yards - very little pumping. This was the first time I've experienced this hands free. I now get why the DW SUP guys proselytize so much. It brings me full circle back to why I started foiling in the first place, prone wave riding, except I get this on a much larger playing field. I actually felt progression in my technique because I wasn't hindered by a wing hitching my getup.
I think I may enjoy going upwind with the PW more than a wing. Better visibility maybe. I also don't switch feet so riding toeside with one hand feathering the PW and the upwind hand outstretched into the breeze feels amazing.
Pre and post session, the lack of inflate/deflate also saves some serious time on these busy mid workday strike sessions. One less thing to deal with. Now it's just basically a wetsuit change and I'm on/off the water.
I'm not giving up on my SUP DW goals either and I've been dialing how the PW will be my ticket to faster progression and confidence building.
Gear:
Quikblade Stingray adjustable paddle
2.9M and 4M Maliko
DW board
Patagonia Guidewater Sling backpack
Vaikobi vest
BRM waist belt (primarily for harness)
www.patagonia.com/product/guidewater-submersible-waterproof-sling-pack-15-liters/49145.html
The combo of this bag and the adjustable paddle work great. The pack has a diagonal fishing net handle pass through along the back of the pack. I can remove my SUP handle and slide right through without taking the pack all the way off (it slides around to the front after undoing one of two buckles. I can also open the bag from this position and pack away or change out PW sizes.
Now I can PW upwind in onshore conditions and practice SUP paddling up on foil or use the PW to get to the swell zone etc.
I'm getting about 12-15 minutes of DW per hour of upwind based on my quick math looking at tracks. Probably a better rate of return compared to Snowboarding and lift lines!
Quick note on the bridal adjustment. My theory is that Greg did this intentionally to throw off/delay the competition. It really was a game changer for upwind riding. I was almost getting bummed beforehand.
Super stoked on this new avenue of foiling!
Got out with my brand new 5.1 today and got tangled on my first attempt. The currents here (Japan) tare strong so I had to paddle back without being able to untangle the parawing.
is there smart trick to untangle when out in the sea? It's super sharky here and got a bit stressed today;)
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
Those upwind angles are starting to look doable considering the other advantages. As a comparison here is a V1 Strike 3.5 from last spring. My V4 strike is going upwind about a 15% better angle but it's also heavier and doesn't pack as small.
The future is looking pretty bright for the PW
Select to expand quoteUrgull said..
Got out with my brand new 5.1 today and got tangled on my first attempt. The currents here (Japan) tare strong so I had to paddle back without being able to untangle the parawing.
is there smart trick to untangle when out in the sea? It's super sharky here and got a bit stressed today;)
Something I have done for bad tangles in rough/windy conditions is to turn into the wind and sink the wing in the water so it sets like a sea anchor upwind. You get nice steady tension on the bridles and can untangle and then launch normally
Also recommend some runs in protected waters if possible, it's a lot different than winging and will take a couple of reps to get comfortable
MIA in Lake Ontario for 2 weeks and she has been recovered. Canopy has some tears and some of the lines have wear. Sand in all the seems but think we'll be able to bring her back to life!
Select to expand quotefoilthegreats said..
MIA in Lake Ontario for 2 weeks and she has been recovered. Canopy has some tears and some of the lines have wear. Sand in all the seems but think we'll be able to bring her back to life!
You will be familiar with the bridle by the time you untangle that mess.
Select to expand quoteMicrosurfer said..
Good stuff. How did you find it? did it float up somewhere?
It washed ashore after 2 weeks about 2-3km from where I lost. Local lady found it almost buried completely in the sand at the beach. Has a few rips in the canopy and needs a few lines replaced but looks like it will fly again. Biggest issue is sand inside all the seems that will need to be removed.
for getting the sand out, maybe a toothbrush and a makita air blower like this:
www.acmetools.com/makita-40v-max-xgt-high-speed-dust-blower-bare-tool-gsa01z/088381755399.html?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAo5u6BhDJARIsAAVoDWsrLZegJBjsnn252vt8P93Ege51YenoGbjuNh5gLt_jZvX0UV88LMIaAqVmEALw_wcB
Maybe someone here would want to buy it and take on the repair, as you already got a replacement right.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..
for getting the sand out, maybe a toothbrush and a makita air blower like this:
www.acmetools.com/makita-40v-max-xgt-high-speed-dust-blower-bare-tool-gsa01z/088381755399.html?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAo5u6BhDJARIsAAVoDWsrLZegJBjsnn252vt8P93Ege51YenoGbjuNh5gLt_jZvX0UV88LMIaAqVmEALw_wcB
Maybe someone here would want to buy it and take on the repair, as you already got a replacement right.
I did get a replacement, can't live without it! 
My buddy is currently trying to make it work for him.
Has used repair tape from his Ozone kites to repair for now.
Has bridle completely detangled. Will still need to replace a few lines.
Is using an industrial blower to get the sand out.
Will update when complete.
FYI: Get 20% off now through Monday, 12/2 on all BRM gear! Promo code: BF2024
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FYI: Get 20% off now through Monday, 12/2 on all BRM gear! Promo code: BF2024
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Just bought my second parawing a few days before the sale was announced. To my surprise BRM wrote to me the next day and gave me a refund of 20%. Just goes to show how good these guys are. Totally loving what they have done for foiling. Stoked out of my mind!
Select to expand quoteSheps said..foilthegreats said..
FYI: Get 20% off now through Monday, 12/2 on all BRM gear! Promo code: BF2024
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Just bought my second parawing a few days before the sale was announced. To my surprise BRM wrote to me the next day and gave me a refund of 20%. Just goes to show how good these guys are. Totally loving what they have done for foiling. Stoked out of my mind!
Just missed this!!! Oh well, I guess I'll just have to buy another wing to save money.??
Select to expand quotemiamiwngr said..
Does this mean they're clearing out inventory for imminent V2 release?
My guess is they saturating the market before any competitor can undercut them on price!
Select to expand quotemiamiwngr said..
Does this mean they're clearing out inventory for imminent V2 release?
Doubt it, likely sales haven't met expectations and with a flood of competitors due any day it's time to start dumping them.
Cross posting here for those not on the progression forum. review/early experience with my 5.1 BRM
Background: 195lb rider, experienced winger, kite foiler on FS Peaks, and frequent Foil Driver(Sorry prone line up, I promise to get back to prone some day). Primary use case for the parawing is downwind runs, I want to collapse the parawing and just ride.
Board choice: I have had the 5.1 for a 2 weeks but finally had the perfect weekend to test it with consistent side/side off winds all weekend in the 15-20mph range. I picked up a 6.1x18 70l mid length that I figured would be my go to parawing board, and spoiler alert I am now questioning if such a narrow board is ideal for me. The mid has been perfect for me for light wind wingfoiling. Slightly more difficult to balance on but not a big issue on wing. But I had two failed runs on the parawing where I just could not get to my feet as the balance is so different so I had to dust off my first wingfoil board which is a 95l 5'4 26 wide Fanatic and then the starts became super easy. Ideally I would probably go for similar dims to my 6.1, but probably go 20 wide to make for easier starts.
Which brings me to the feedback on the start, the information is out there but until you feel it its hard to comprehend how little low end these parawings have. It feels like it would have a ton of power on the beach. but on the water you have to start it by gradually building speed downwind and pumping the board/foil up similar to a dw board paddle start. Its not as easy to use it as a counter balance like you can with a wing. I will add that the bridle mod is a must. Its easier to control the power and use for balance with the update. Difference between a 2 line and 4 line kite its that dramatic.Once up though, its pretty darn cool and I see a lot of potential for dw runs. Riding one handed is awesome, you have great visibility. Jibes were easy, you just have to make sure you line up your turns with the parawing otherwise it will stall and and collapse.I managed to collapse the wing and redeploy a few times and was gaining confidence and then the excitement happened. I was surfing downwind with the parawing collapsed and bunched up in one hand, starting to get comfortable and then I breached and wiped out. My coil board leash and the bridles got tangled up and I was toast. The bridles pretty quickly got tangled around my foil and I was really toast. I had to swim in with what was a pretty effective sea anchor. I thought I was going to shred my new toy by the time I got to the beach but it turned out it was fine. I leveraged my Single Skin Peak experience to calmly untangled the bridles and in 10min I was ready to go again.
Anyway, stoked to be a newb again. Just wanted to share my experience for those considering trying this new discipline. I don't think this will be for everyone, certainly not for just riding in place. But for dw runs and collapsing and just surfing outside swells its got a ton of potential. I would definitely not want to have it in the water on the inside though as bridles and white water are not a recipe for fun. I think having a large board will definitely help you learn faster, and also enable you to go with a smaller parawing. But I am confident that with some more practice I will figure out my 6'1x18 midlength eventually.
Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..
Background: 195lb rider, experienced winger, kite foiler on FS Peaks, and frequent Foil Driver(Sorry prone line up, I promise to get back to prone some day). Primary use case for the parawing is downwind runs, I want to collapse the parawing and just ride.
Board choice: I have had the 5.1 for a 2 weeks but finally had the perfect weekend to test it with consistent side/side off winds all weekend in the 15-20mph range. I picked up a 6.1x18 70l mid length that I figured would be my go to parawing board, and spoiler alert I am now questioning if such a narrow board is ideal for me.
I'm not sure if the narrowness is the problem. I suspect you don't have quite enough volume. Ideally you want a neutral to slightly positive volume. It will be great if you're fully powered, but given the low end limitations you speak of you want your daily driver board to be as viable as possible in the least amount of wind to maximise the wind range.
Select to expand quoteStephenZ said..CFL Foiler said..
Background: 195lb rider, experienced winger, kite foiler on FS Peaks, and frequent Foil Driver(Sorry prone line up, I promise to get back to prone some day). Primary use case for the parawing is downwind runs, I want to collapse the parawing and just ride.
Board choice: I have had the 5.1 for a 2 weeks but finally had the perfect weekend to test it with consistent side/side off winds all weekend in the 15-20mph range. I picked up a 6.1x18 70l mid length that I figured would be my go to parawing board, and spoiler alert I am now questioning if such a narrow board is ideal for me.
I'm not sure if the narrowness is the problem. I suspect you don't have quite enough volume. Ideally you want a neutral to slightly positive volume. It will be great if you're fully powered, but given the low end limitations you speak of you want your daily driver board to be as viable as possible in the least amount of wind to maximise the wind range.
Fair enough, I think my problem was just starting from my wingfoil board size preferences. 70l is the biggest board I have had in years. It easy for me to start it with my 5.5 Strike v3 which is known to have poor low end. For wing foiling I would have no desire for a bigger board as this one works for me in 10-15.
But to defend my point on width, I never had trouble with speed or floatation on my two struggle bus dw attempts it was just balance and stability I think a wider 70l board would have been no problem getting to my feet on and that was the root of my problem, finding the balance to get to my feet
My go to wing foil board is a 48l Omen flux, for winging it just means I need enough power to get it to the surface, way less to actually get on foil once there I don't think I would enjoy riding the required parawing size to start a sinker, but it's early days, we will see.
I would say right now I wish I had a dw board and a 4 or 3m parawing I think that would be a better combo to learn the discipline
Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..StephenZ said..CFL Foiler said..
Background: 195lb rider, experienced winger, kite foiler on FS Peaks, and frequent Foil Driver(Sorry prone line up, I promise to get back to prone some day). Primary use case for the parawing is downwind runs, I want to collapse the parawing and just ride.
Board choice: I have had the 5.1 for a 2 weeks but finally had the perfect weekend to test it with consistent side/side off winds all weekend in the 15-20mph range. I picked up a 6.1x18 70l mid length that I figured would be my go to parawing board, and spoiler alert I am now questioning if such a narrow board is ideal for me.
I'm not sure if the narrowness is the problem. I suspect you don't have quite enough volume. Ideally you want a neutral to slightly positive volume. It will be great if you're fully powered, but given the low end limitations you speak of you want your daily driver board to be as viable as possible in the least amount of wind to maximise the wind range.
Fair enough, I think my problem was just starting from my wingfoil board size preferences. 70l is the biggest board I have had in years. It easy for me to start it with my 5.5 Strike v3 which is known to have poor low end. For wing foiling I would have no desire for a bigger board as this one works for me in 10-15.
But to defend my point on width, I never had trouble with speed or floatation on my two struggle bus dw attempts it was just balance and stability I think a wider 70l board would have been no problem getting to my feet on and that was the root of my problem, finding the balance to get to my feet
My go to wing foil board is a 48l Omen flux, for winging it just means I need enough power to get it to the surface, way less to actually get on foil once there I don't think I would enjoy riding the required parawing size to start a sinker, but it's early days, we will see.
I would say right now I wish I had a dw board and a 4 or 3m parawing I think that would be a better combo to learn the discipline
From my humble learning experience there is nothing wrong with small boards to parawing on and smaller wings are good too. When I had (and sometimes still do) have trouble getting up I just use a bigger foil. Then as my skill level improved I went smaller foil and now I find it reasonably easy to get up with what I wing on or less. It's just learning new technique and muscle memory. I'd stick with the 70 L board and get a smaller wing and then progress through to smaller foils. The benefit of being on smaller gear when up is you'll go upwind way more easily and handle rough conditions with much greater ease.
She has been out a few times and the repairs are holding. Still working on getting sand out of the seams but most is out.
Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..
It feels like it would have a ton of power on the beach. but on the water you have to start it by gradually building speed downwind and pumping the board/foil up similar to a dw board paddle start.
100% this. In lighter conditions I take off exactly this way. Just use the parawing to keep the board going downwind and in position. When the right swell hits pump it up and away you go. Sometimes the parawing will start dropping just make sure you don't run it over.
In windy conditions I am finding it easier to takeoff going upwind and against the swell.
Using my BRM 4m the other day with the KT 5'9" 60L. Really finding that footstraps make getting up on foil much easier:
Select to expand quotefoilthegreats said..CFL Foiler said..
It feels like it would have a ton of power on the beach. but on the water you have to start it by gradually building speed downwind and pumping the board/foil up similar to a dw board paddle start.
100% this. In lighter conditions I take off exactly this way. Just use the parawing to keep the board going downwind and in position. When the right swell hits pump it up and away you go. Sometimes the parawing will start dropping just make sure you don't run it over.
In windy conditions I am finding it easier to takeoff going upwind and against the swell.
Awesome, thanks for confirming I was on the right track. Need to figure out how to find my balance on the narrow board with the parawing. Managed to get to my feet a few times but didn't have enough power or the right technique to get on foil. Like all wind sports learning on a larger board eliminates a variable , silly of me to think I could skip that step.
