The Makani doesn't look very impressive with shapes like the Flow coming out unless there is some magic I'm not seeing.
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The Makani doesn't look very impressive with shapes like the Flow coming out unless there is some magic I'm not seeing.
I have a feeling that the Reflex design of the Flow D-Wing just made all the rest obsolete...even the ones not out yet like the Gongs.
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To depower the BRM you don't want to fly off the front lines like he is saying in this video. What you want to do is bring the Parawing into a higher angle of attack by pulling on the back of the bar. The Parawing will start to stall and release pressure. The sweet spot for this is small but it's totally doable.
Select to expand quotefoilthegreats said..hilly said..
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To depower the BRM you don't want to fly off the front lines like he is saying in this video. What you want to do is bring the Parawing into a higher angle of attack by pulling on the back of the bar. The Parawing will start to stall and release pressure. The sweet spot for this is small but it's totally doable.
Spot on. Enjoying the videos but really feel like he is not fairly comparing the two wings by obsessing on this one characteristic. I highly suspect the Flow is stable because the canopy is always under tension no matter the bar trim, which means it has less depower range than the BRM. Basically the BRM before the bridle mod. Still looks like a nice parawing and the price is right, but viewer beware the BRM flagging could be seen as a feature. And it certainly looks like the BRM will pack down smaller which is important if you plan to pack it away for most of your DW run.
With the Flow D being half the price of the BRM Maliko here in Oz it's an easy decision to make. So easy that with the current Flow D orders at our local it will triple the number of parawings on the water.
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With the Flow D being half the price of the BRM Maliko here in Oz it's an easy decision to make. So easy that with the current Flow D orders at our local it will triple the number of parawings on the water.
Not quite as dramatic here in the states but yeah price is a big part of the trade. Hopefully the competition will drive the prices down as well.
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out
No. Not till Feb I think, posting end of Jan. Bit disappointed because was in early, I thought 
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out
Just managed to purchase a BRM 2.9 locally. Get it Monday will report back after a few attempts.
and this is how you stow it
www.instagram.com/reel/DEYOREFTkqL/?igsh=MWl6aTcxeWI2ZTNuMQ==
Select to expand quotehilly said..Youngbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out
No. Not till Feb I think, posting end of Jan. Bit disappointed because was in early, I thought
Yeah that sucks a bit because we will be at the tail end of the windy season for WA when it gets delivered, I will still probably order one anyway
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and this is how you stow it
www.instagram.com/reel/DEYOREFTkqL/?igsh=MWl6aTcxeWI2ZTNuMQ==
By shoving it under your rashie? I didn't need a video for that.
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and this is how you stow it
www.instagram.com/reel/DEYOREFTkqL/?igsh=MWl6aTcxeWI2ZTNuMQ==
Nice 
Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..
.... I highly suspect the Flow is stable because the canopy is always under tension no matter the bar trim, which means it has less depower range than the BRM. .....
I think you've got all that back to front.
The reflex profile on the D-Wing means the rear lines can be completely unloaded and the wing can come as far forward as it needs to. The reflex automatically counters any tendency to collapse.
A classic profile the opposite happens. The wing comes forward, the A-lines carry less load and the wing collapses. Tensioning the rear lines can make it worse.
The downside of the reflex profile is the wing is a bit less efficient. The D-Wing makes up for that with slightly more size and a more substantial leading edge.
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..hilly said..Youngbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out
No. Not till Feb I think, posting end of Jan. Bit disappointed because was in early, I thought
Yeah that sucks a bit because we will be at the tail end of the windy season for WA when it gets delivered, I will still probably order one anyway
Best downwind run near me is Eagle Bay to Dunsborough on a NW wind in winter. Straight downwind and swell so the wing is a PITA hence the parawing. Other runs close are not straight downwind so the wing is fine. I hope to get the skills up before that.
Select to expand quoteGorgo said..CFL Foiler said..
.... I highly suspect the Flow is stable because the canopy is always under tension no matter the bar trim, which means it has less depower range than the BRM. .....
I think you've got all that back to front.
The reflex profile on the D-Wing means the rear lines can be completely unloaded and the wing can come as far forward as it needs to. The reflex automatically counters any tendency to collapse.
A classic profile the opposite happens. The wing comes forward, the A-lines carry less load and the wing collapses. Tensioning the rear lines can make it worse.
The downside of the reflex profile is the wing is a bit less efficient. The D-Wing makes up for that with slightly more size and a more substantial leading edge.
Just coming from my experience with the BRM parawing and the bridle mod as well as previous experience on my flysurfer peaks. Prior to the mod the BRM was stable on the front lines similar to the flow but it didn't have much depower range. The mod removed a connection from the front and middle lines to the rear of the kite which allowed it to fly more off the front lines. This greatly increased the depower but it does allow it to get into the unstable mode that is shown in the comparison video. I could be wrong but I suspect the Flow might have similar depower to the BRM in the pre modified bridle configuration.
Flysurfer peaks flap like crazy when depowered because the rear of the canopy is not under tension. This likely would not work for a parafoil canopy because of stability concerns but it worked great for a kite.
Don't get me wrong though, the instability is not great, but it's pretty easy to avoid with proper trim.
Novice parawing pilot here but my 2.9 seemed to fly pretty well in 10 knots. No idea if it has the mod or not.
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Novice parawing pilot here but my 2.9 seemed to fly pretty well in 10 knots. No idea if it has the mod or not.
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Yes, it's modded.
Select to expand quotehilly said..Youngbreezy said..hilly said..Youngbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out
No. Not till Feb I think, posting end of Jan. Bit disappointed because was in early, I thought
Yeah that sucks a bit because we will be at the tail end of the windy season for WA when it gets delivered, I will still probably order one anyway
Best downwind run near me is Eagle Bay to Dunsborough on a NW wind in winter. Straight downwind and swell so the wing is a PITA hence the parawing. Other runs close are not straight downwind so the wing is fine. I hope to get the skills up before that.
Me too so i can join you !!
Select to expand quoteeppo said..hilly said..Youngbreezy said..hilly said..Youngbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out
No. Not till Feb I think, posting end of Jan. Bit disappointed because was in early, I thought
Yeah that sucks a bit because we will be at the tail end of the windy season for WA when it gets delivered, I will still probably order one anyway
Best downwind run near me is Eagle Bay to Dunsborough on a NW wind in winter. Straight downwind and swell so the wing is a PITA hence the parawing. Other runs close are not straight downwind so the wing is fine. I hope to get the skills up before that.
Me too so i can join you !!
Parawing creche redgate to prev today 
First session today on BRM 2.9. You need a lot of wind for the 2.9 but not too much. Very narrow power band. Flys very poorly when over powered. Definitely a downwind tool.
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First session today on BRM 2.9. You need a lot of wind for the 2.9 but not too much. Very narrow power band. Flys very poorly when over powered. Definitely a downwind tool.
Respectfully disagree and I encourage you to have a few more sessions because once you work it out a bit more you'll absolutely love it. Essentially you need to point the board more upwind to absorb the power and release it when gust passes. Concentrate on riding the foil and try not to constantly change the kite. Harness is absolute must and needs to be set up well. You can try and utilise the roll axis as well as yaw to hold the edge which allows you to absorb so much power. Gusting well over 25 knots today and thought my 2.9m was stable as can be and comfortably rocketing upwind. Rode the same spot for two hours and flagging out close one to two minutes over and over. Definitely an upwind tool IMHO.
Select to expand quoteSheps said..hilly said..
First session today on BRM 2.9. You need a lot of wind for the 2.9 but not too much. Very narrow power band. Flys very poorly when over powered. Definitely a downwind tool.
Respectfully disagree and I encourage you to have a few more sessions because once you work it out a bit more you'll absolutely love it. Essentially you need to point the board more upwind to absorb the power and release it when gust passes. Concentrate on riding the foil and try not to constantly change the kite. Harness is absolute must and needs to be set up well. You can try and utilise the roll axis as well as yaw to hold the edge which allows you to absorb so much power. Gusting well over 25 knots today and thought my 2.9m was stable as can be and comfortably rocketing upwind. Rode the same spot for two hours and flagging out close one to two minutes over and over. Definitely an upwind tool IMHO.
100% need to put the time in. Lots of finesse and micro adjustments need to be learned to go upwind easy. Harness 100% required. Being at the top end of the wind range will make learning all the details hard and frustrating but stick with it the payoff is amazing!
Select to expand quoteSheps said..Rode the same spot for two hours and flagging out close one to two minutes over and over. Definitely an upwind tool IMHO.
That's what I want to do. I use a harness it certainly helps I found if I got the wing anywhere near the edge of the window all hell would break loose. Collapsing, going inside out and flapping violently. Then I would use the back lines to control the wing it powered up and headed off downwind overpowered. Lots to learn
Select to expand quotehilly said..eppo said..hilly said..Youngbreezy said..hilly said..Youngbreezy said..
@ Hilly did you get your D wing yet? I tried to get one sent out straight away but they said they wouldn't be shipping any till the end of January as the first production was sold out
No. Not till Feb I think, posting end of Jan. Bit disappointed because was in early, I thought
Yeah that sucks a bit because we will be at the tail end of the windy season for WA when it gets delivered, I will still probably order one anyway
Best downwind run near me is Eagle Bay to Dunsborough on a NW wind in winter. Straight downwind and swell so the wing is a PITA hence the parawing. Other runs close are not straight downwind so the wing is fine. I hope to get the skills up before that.
Me too so i can join you !!
Parawing creche redgate to prev today
you don't muck about do you !
Second attempt. not enough wind too small foil however I got up and went upwind. All good.
Harness placement on the bar is so important. Highly recommend a single loop style option, as you can slide the attachment point to perfectly set up the trim. Just a 5MM change in position can have a huge change in performance. You can set it up so it's biased for more power or for less and trim from there with minor wrist movements, or just set it up to where it is perfectly balanced (if the wind is really good) and let the PW fly itself. Really fun to play with on the water while working upwind.
