Select to expand quoterandomfoiler said..Jelmer said..
Anyone did some paddle downwinders with the 1230SF?
I have been doing a lot of wingfoiling with the 1850R and now looking into an upgrade of this foil and also downwinding for next year. Thinking about buying a downwind board (also for light wind days) and to me the 1230SF looks like the best foil for downwinders? However for example some of the Axis foils have a much bigger span. So I was wondering if this North Foil would be a good one to start with? (what else?)
Thanks!
Haven't tried the 1230 - but a good starting point would be to convince this guy to reveal what he used:
Would be intresting to know, me and some others have asked for it and he was planning to reveal it end of november... no update yet.
Anyone here who did paddle ups and or downwinders on the SF1230 or smaller SFs?
Any more reviews on the 850 MA coming from SF riders?? Just pulled the trigger and Santa brings it day after Xmas... We've had a run of epic days with great swell and I'm more and more enamored with the 930sf (although I wish I already had the new smaller surf stab causar sometimes I'm sure the 215 is holding me back a bit) but I'm wondering...hoping.. That The MA will be more stable riding back out thru the wash after dropping down the wave face.. And stoked to have even more top end speed available when I'm cranking upwind for the next set... I assume NOBODY has tried the smaller new SF wings yet?
Select to expand quotekyrojoe said..
Any more reviews on the 850 MA coming from SF riders?? Just pulled the trigger and Santa brings it day after Xmas... We've had a run of epic days with great swell and I'm more and more enamored with the 930sf (although I wish I already had the new smaller surf stab causar sometimes I'm sure the 215 is holding me back a bit) but I'm wondering...hoping.. That The MA will be more stable riding back out thru the wash after dropping down the wave face.. And stoked to have even more top end speed available when I'm cranking upwind for the next set... I assume NOBODY has tried the smaller new SF wings yet?
I don't think anyone outside of the development team/pro riders has tested the smaller SFs yet as they'll only be available as of late Jan/early Feb.
I rode the SF930 quite a lot and just got my hands on the MA850v2 and had about 5 sessions on it.
Stall speed is slightly higher than 930 but still ridiculously low.
Turns much tighter
Generates speed much better when pumping or with the wing.
High end is definitely higher
Less drag
Breaches even better.
I've breached the entire half of the wing without falling and without straps.
It's kept up, easily, with the speed of biggest swells I could find in the bay of Melbourne in 30-35 knts.
I could comfortably drop down from the very top, no increase in front foot pressure, do a bottom turn at the very bottom and then speed up to the very top for a top turn. Back and forth on overhead and a half swells yesterday.
Very very confidence boosting.
My favorite North wing so far.
Best aspects of my HA850 and SF930.
Only thing I want to ride now.
I'm 78 kg.
Tested it with 33 and 43 L Swell boards.
CF 85cm/600 fuse/178 stab with 0 and - 0.5
Didn't try any other stabs with it.
Few turns in Port Fairy, VIC
www.instagram.com/reel/C1RDD6avHHL/?igsh=MW1oYXZxM3dlN2tqOA==
Select to expand quoteTangur said..kyrojoe said..
Any more reviews on the 850 MA coming from SF riders?? Just pulled the trigger and Santa brings it day after Xmas... We've had a run of epic days with great swell and I'm more and more enamored with the 930sf (although I wish I already had the new smaller surf stab causar sometimes I'm sure the 215 is holding me back a bit) but I'm wondering...hoping.. That The MA will be more stable riding back out thru the wash after dropping down the wave face.. And stoked to have even more top end speed available when I'm cranking upwind for the next set... I assume NOBODY has tried the smaller new SF wings yet?
I don't think anyone outside of the development team/pro riders has tested the smaller SFs yet as they'll only be available as of late Jan/early Feb.
I rode the SF930 quite a lot and just got my hands on the MA850v2 and had about 5 sessions on it.
Stall speed is slightly higher than 930 but still ridiculously low.
Turns much tighter
Generates speed much better when pumping or with the wing.
High end is definitely higher
Less drag
Breaches even better.
I've breached the entire half of the wing without falling and without straps.
It's kept up, easily, with the speed of biggest swells I could find in the bay of Melbourne in 30-35 knts.
I could comfortably drop down from the very top, no increase in front foot pressure, do a bottom turn at the very bottom and then speed up to the very top for a top turn. Back and forth on overhead and a half swells yesterday.
Very very confidence boosting.
My favorite North wing so far.
Best aspects of my HA850 and SF930.
Only thing I want to ride now.
I'm 78 kg.
Tested it with 33 and 43 L Swell boards.
CF 85cm/600 fuse/178 stab with 0 and - 0.5
Didn't try any other stabs with it.
Few turns in Port Fairy, VIC
www.instagram.com/reel/C1RDD6avHHL/?igsh=MW1oYXZxM3dlN2tqOA==
Were you the last one out in Elwood yesterday with a 2.9?
Select to expand quoteFaff said..Tangur said..kyrojoe said..
Any more reviews on the 850 MA coming from SF riders?? Just pulled the trigger and Santa brings it day after Xmas... We've had a run of epic days with great swell and I'm more and more enamored with the 930sf (although I wish I already had the new smaller surf stab causar sometimes I'm sure the 215 is holding me back a bit) but I'm wondering...hoping.. That The MA will be more stable riding back out thru the wash after dropping down the wave face.. And stoked to have even more top end speed available when I'm cranking upwind for the next set... I assume NOBODY has tried the smaller new SF wings yet?
I don't think anyone outside of the development team/pro riders has tested the smaller SFs yet as they'll only be available as of late Jan/early Feb.
I rode the SF930 quite a lot and just got my hands on the MA850v2 and had about 5 sessions on it.
Stall speed is slightly higher than 930 but still ridiculously low.
Turns much tighter
Generates speed much better when pumping or with the wing.
High end is definitely higher
Less drag
Breaches even better.
I've breached the entire half of the wing without falling and without straps.
It's kept up, easily, with the speed of biggest swells I could find in the bay of Melbourne in 30-35 knts.
I could comfortably drop down from the very top, no increase in front foot pressure, do a bottom turn at the very bottom and then speed up to the very top for a top turn. Back and forth on overhead and a half swells yesterday.
Very very confidence boosting.
My favorite North wing so far.
Best aspects of my HA850 and SF930.
Only thing I want to ride now.
I'm 78 kg.
Tested it with 33 and 43 L Swell boards.
CF 85cm/600 fuse/178 stab with 0 and - 0.5
Didn't try any other stabs with it.
Few turns in Port Fairy, VIC
www.instagram.com/reel/C1RDD6avHHL/?igsh=MW1oYXZxM3dlN2tqOA==
Were you the last one out in Elwood yesterday with a 2.9?
@Faff - Guilty! That was me
Select to expand quoteTangur said..Faff said..Tangur said..kyrojoe said..
Any more reviews on the 850 MA coming from SF riders?? Just pulled the trigger and Santa brings it day after Xmas... We've had a run of epic days with great swell and I'm more and more enamored with the 930sf (although I wish I already had the new smaller surf stab causar sometimes I'm sure the 215 is holding me back a bit) but I'm wondering...hoping.. That The MA will be more stable riding back out thru the wash after dropping down the wave face.. And stoked to have even more top end speed available when I'm cranking upwind for the next set... I assume NOBODY has tried the smaller new SF wings yet?
I don't think anyone outside of the development team/pro riders has tested the smaller SFs yet as they'll only be available as of late Jan/early Feb.
I rode the SF930 quite a lot and just got my hands on the MA850v2 and had about 5 sessions on it.
Stall speed is slightly higher than 930 but still ridiculously low.
Turns much tighter
Generates speed much better when pumping or with the wing.
High end is definitely higher
Less drag
Breaches even better.
I've breached the entire half of the wing without falling and without straps.
It's kept up, easily, with the speed of biggest swells I could find in the bay of Melbourne in 30-35 knts.
I could comfortably drop down from the very top, no increase in front foot pressure, do a bottom turn at the very bottom and then speed up to the very top for a top turn. Back and forth on overhead and a half swells yesterday.
Very very confidence boosting.
My favorite North wing so far.
Best aspects of my HA850 and SF930.
Only thing I want to ride now.
I'm 78 kg.
Tested it with 33 and 43 L Swell boards.
CF 85cm/600 fuse/178 stab with 0 and - 0.5
Didn't try any other stabs with it.
Few turns in Port Fairy, VIC
www.instagram.com/reel/C1RDD6avHHL/?igsh=MW1oYXZxM3dlN2tqOA==
Were you the last one out in Elwood yesterday with a 2.9?
@Faff - Guilty! That was me
You were killing it! Best endorsement possible. I'm sold! My friend raves about his SF930 (he used to be on Cabrinha). I'm on Cabrinha 650 (fast and loose, but needs attention) and 1000 (easy foil, but feels slow now). I wonder if the MA850v2 could be my one foil for everything. (I'm 68 kg).
Select to expand quoteFaff said..Tangur said..Faff said..Tangur said..kyrojoe said..
Any more reviews on the 850 MA coming from SF riders?? Just pulled the trigger and Santa brings it day after Xmas... We've had a run of epic days with great swell and I'm more and more enamored with the 930sf (although I wish I already had the new smaller surf stab causar sometimes I'm sure the 215 is holding me back a bit) but I'm wondering...hoping.. That The MA will be more stable riding back out thru the wash after dropping down the wave face.. And stoked to have even more top end speed available when I'm cranking upwind for the next set... I assume NOBODY has tried the smaller new SF wings yet?
I don't think anyone outside of the development team/pro riders has tested the smaller SFs yet as they'll only be available as of late Jan/early Feb.
I rode the SF930 quite a lot and just got my hands on the MA850v2 and had about 5 sessions on it.
Stall speed is slightly higher than 930 but still ridiculously low.
Turns much tighter
Generates speed much better when pumping or with the wing.
High end is definitely higher
Less drag
Breaches even better.
I've breached the entire half of the wing without falling and without straps.
It's kept up, easily, with the speed of biggest swells I could find in the bay of Melbourne in 30-35 knts.
I could comfortably drop down from the very top, no increase in front foot pressure, do a bottom turn at the very bottom and then speed up to the very top for a top turn. Back and forth on overhead and a half swells yesterday.
Very very confidence boosting.
My favorite North wing so far.
Best aspects of my HA850 and SF930.
Only thing I want to ride now.
I'm 78 kg.
Tested it with 33 and 43 L Swell boards.
CF 85cm/600 fuse/178 stab with 0 and - 0.5
Didn't try any other stabs with it.
Few turns in Port Fairy, VIC
www.instagram.com/reel/C1RDD6avHHL/?igsh=MW1oYXZxM3dlN2tqOA==
Were you the last one out in Elwood yesterday with a 2.9?
@Faff - Guilty! That was me
You were killing it! Best endorsement possible. I'm sold! My friend raves about his SF930 (he used to be on Cabrinha). I'm on Cabrinha 650 (fast and loose, but needs attention) and 1000 (easy foil, but feels slow now). I wonder if the MA850v2 could be my one foil for everything. (I'm 68 kg).
Thanks!Hit me up on IG and we can try to synchronize a session if you want to try the MA850v2.
I'm in town until Jan 5th.
At 68 kg, and if you're able to ride a 650, it's normal that your 1000cm feels slow/big!
Tried the MA1850V2 for the first time toddd, only a shorts session.
93kg, 95l board, 7m wing, gusty 9-15 knt.
Could not directly compare it to my MA1350, but I had the impression, it rises significant earlier and was almost as fast as the 1350?!
Very low stall speed.
Will report again when I got more experience.
Select to expand quotelenzilot said..
Tried the MA1850V2 for the first time toddd, only a shorts session.
93kg, 95l board, 7m wing, gusty 9-15 knt.
Could not directly compare it to my MA1350, but I had the impression, it rises significant earlier and was almost as fast as the 1350?!
Very low stall speed.
Will report again when I got more experience.
Please do - thinking i want to change my old 1850R for this one!
Cheers!
Select to expand quotekyrojoe said..
MOSTLY wondering if anyone lucky enough has been able to ride the 930 or 1080 with the new smaller version of the 215 surf stab?.?
I tested SF930 with S185. Didn't work for me, after an hour or so I changed back to S208. The pitch sensitivity increases, but so does the drag. With S208 easier to ride and more glide. I'll give the S185 another chance when I get my hands on an SF830.
Had a couple of sessions with MA850v2
what a glide what a wing!!! I can't compare to something small my progression was 2200R, 1850R, MA1200 . I was blown away by feeling of glide combined with pretty good low stall speed. Easily can good through white water and can keep with wind swells in 20 knots and up. Was riding this foil from 15 knots with 8m Loft pro up to 35 with gusts to 40+ knots. It is magic foil ?? was using s270 with negative shim. I want to get use to the size and next time will try s208.
I sold my MA1200 and now I'm looking for light wind wing from minimum up to 14 knots. What is the options we have now? From north I see they suggest HA1150, HA1250, HA1450. In couple of videos I heard that SF serious in bigger sizes can be light wind solution. So what to choose SF1080 or HA1250. My weight is about 80kg and I have 8m wing and 88liters seek board
Select to expand quoteganeshka said..
Had a couple of sessions with MA850v2 what a glide what a wing!!! I can't compare to something small my progression was 2200R, 1850R, MA1200 . I was blown away by feeling of glide combined with pretty good low stall speed. Easily can good through white water and can keep with wind swells in 20 knots and up. Was riding this foil from 15 knots with 8m Loft pro up to 35 with gusts to 40+ knots. It is magic foil ?? was using s270 with negative shim. I want to get use to the size and next time will try s208.
I sold my MA1200 and now I'm looking for light wind wing from minimum up to 14 knots. What is the options we have now? From north I see they suggest HA1150, HA1250, HA1450. In couple of videos I heard that SF serious in bigger sizes can be light wind solution. So what to choose SF1080 or HA1250. My weight is about 80kg and I have 8m wing and 88liters seek board
Can't speak for the SF but the 1250 HA was very efficient in light wind for me (90kg) with the S208. At a lake with lulls i would reckon it is superior to the SF as the HA has low drag and heaps of glide
I still have the HA 1450, which brings me up in literally no wind and has endless glide with no drag and good speed - though still reasonably good in turns compared to the span. But will sell it, as i give up winging under 15 knts - you can pm me if interested
Select to expand quoteganeshka said..
Had a couple of sessions with MA850v2 what a glide what a wing!!! I can't compare to something small my progression was 2200R, 1850R, MA1200 . I was blown away by feeling of glide combined with pretty good low stall speed. Easily can good through white water and can keep with wind swells in 20 knots and up. Was riding this foil from 15 knots with 8m Loft pro up to 35 with gusts to 40+ knots. It is magic foil ?? was using s270 with negative shim. I want to get use to the size and next time will try s208.
I sold my MA1200 and now I'm looking for light wind wing from minimum up to 14 knots. What is the options we have now? From north I see they suggest HA1150, HA1250, HA1450. In couple of videos I heard that SF serious in bigger sizes can be light wind solution. So what to choose SF1080 or HA1250. My weight is about 80kg and I have 8m wing and 88liters seek board
Regular 10-15kts here with the SF1080 + s208. It works really well. I have the HA1050 too which does remarkably well in the 12-15 kts range.
I have to say I did expect a bit more low end get going from the SF1080 but that may be down to my technique on the SF which is still developing. I just found out that a narrow stance works better for me to get going. Definitely once up on foil then SF allows slowing down to crazy low speeds. It's just the getting going (where I feel the HA low drag is a plus)
Maybe the HA1250 is indeed the better overall lw solution
This is my repost from other thread.
I have North SF1080 as my light wind foil due to its ridiculously low stall speed. I also have North HA1050 which is more efficient with much thinner profile but harder to take off in very light wind due to its higher stall speed.
Last week I have a ****ty session with very light offshore wind (6-8kt with lulls and short 10kt gust). At first, I use SF1080; I can easily take off with the gust but it very hard to stay on foil in frequent lulls. So I decide to try HA1050 which is normally will be very hard or even not possible to pump up that if I use wider board.
I found that HA1050 works better in that condition. It need less power to keep going and it glides between the lulls much better than the SF.
I'm 75kg.
SF is good for lightwind but maybe the big HA is even better. But I don't think I will buy bigger HA just for this kind of condition.
Select to expand quoteTaeyeony said..
This is my repost from other thread.
I have North SF1080 as my light wind foil due to its ridiculously low stall speed. I also have North HA1050 which is more efficient with much thinner profile but harder to take off in very light wind due to its higher stall speed.
Last week I have a ****ty session with very light offshore wind (6-8kt with lulls and short 10kt gust). At first, I use SF1080; I can easily take off with the gust but it very hard to stay on foil in frequent lulls. So I decide to try HA1050 which is normally will be very hard or even not possible to pump up that if I use wider board.
I found that HA1050 works better in that condition. It need less power to keep going and it glides between the lulls much better than the SF.
I'm 75kg.
SF is good for lightwind but maybe the big HA is even better. But I don't think I will buy bigger HA just for this kind of condition.
Have you by any chance tried the the HA1050 in the same conditions with a narrow (DW) board?
I tried both foils in on Sunova Aviator DW (7'2" x 18" 103L) I don't think I can get HA1050 up on that day using a 25" board.
My point is SF may get up easier but needs consistent power to keep going. HA can glide more and once up, use less power to sustain flight.Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..
Have you by any chance tried the the HA1050 in the same conditions with a narrow (DW) board?
Today I had a test session in very gusty 10-20 knt with long lulls, lake
93 kg, 95l board, C700/S208, C85 mast, 5m wing
I had about 20 min each on foil with
MA1350, MA1850V2, HA1250
I think all the wings are good designed and they do what they are designed for. We have to deal with physics...
I will rank in categories
rise
1)1850 2)1350 3)1250
speed
1)1350 2)1250 3)1850
glide
1)1250 2)1850 3)1350
maneuvers
1)1350 2)1850 3)1250
fun
1)1350 2)1850 3)1250
With the 1850 I needed the lightest and shortest gusts to get on foil, with the 1250 the gusts had to be the longest
The 1350 is definitely faster than the 1850, but the 1850 is still good for its size (see my last post)
The 1250 as a HA has the best glide
In very light wind I guess the MA1850V2 is the session saver for me now, because I can get on foil the most easy... And I can do some jumps,I won?t do with the HA1250
Maybe I will prefere the HA1250 when I get better with my technic. Because then I can use the foil with the best glide....
One more note about the north sonar quality: Yesterday I was out with MA1050 and 4 m wing temporarily overpowerded in 30+ gusts. I hit a branch and felt/heard two bangs. But I did not find a ding on the front or rear wing or mast 
Regards
What exactly is you HA1250? The 2022 model with aspect ratio 6.3 or 2023 model with AR about 10.1.
I have old HA1250 which is not very nice for today standard (very slow and average glide even the SF has a bit more glide than that one.) I don't have new HA1250 but have new HA1050 and HA850.Select to expand quotelenzilot said..
Today I had a test session in very gusty 10-20 knt with long lulls, lake
93 kg, 95l board, C700/S208, C85 mast, 5m wing
I had about 20 min each on foil with
MA1350, MA1850V2, HA1250
I think all the wings are good designed and they do what they are designed for. We have to deal with physics...
I will rank in categories
rise
1)1850 2)1350 3)1250
speed
1)1350 2)1250 3)1850
glide
1)1250 2)1850 3)1350
maneuvers
1)1350 2)1850 3)1250
fun
1)1350 2)1850 3)1250
With the 1850 I needed the lightest and shortest gusts to get on foil, with the 1250 the gusts had to be the longest
The 1350 is definitely faster than the 1850, but the 1850 is still good for its size (see my last post)
The 1250 as a HA has the best glide
In very light wind I guess the MA1850V2 is the session saver for me now, because I can get on foil the most easy... And I can do some jumps,I won?t do with the HA1250
Maybe I will prefere the HA1250 when I get better with my technic. Because then I can use the foil with the best glide....
One more note about the north sonar quality: Yesterday I was out with MA1050 and 4 m wing temporarily overpowerded in 30+ gusts. I hit a branch and felt/heard two bangs. But I did not find a ding on the front or rear wing or mast
Regards
Select to expand quoteTaeyeony said..
What exactly is you HA1250? The 2022 model with aspect ratio 6.3 or 2023 model with AR about 10.1.
I have old HA1250 which is not very nice for today standard (very slow and average glide even the SF has a bit more glide than that one.) I don't have new HA1250 but have new HA1050 and HA850.lenzilot said..
Today I had a test session in very gusty 10-20 knt with long lulls, lake
93 kg, 95l board, C700/S208, C85 mast, 5m wing
I had about 20 min each on foil with
MA1350, MA1850V2, HA1250
I think all the wings are good designed and they do what they are designed for. We have to deal with physics...
I will rank in categories
rise
1)1850 2)1350 3)1250
speed
1)1350 2)1250 3)1850
glide
1)1250 2)1850 3)1350
maneuvers
1)1350 2)1850 3)1250
fun
1)1350 2)1850 3)1250
With the 1850 I needed the lightest and shortest gusts to get on foil, with the 1250 the gusts had to be the longest
The 1350 is definitely faster than the 1850, but the 1850 is still good for its size (see my last post)
The 1250 as a HA has the best glide
In very light wind I guess the MA1850V2 is the session saver for me now, because I can get on foil the most easy... And I can do some jumps,I won?t do with the HA1250
Maybe I will prefere the HA1250 when I get better with my technic. Because then I can use the foil with the best glide....
One more note about the north sonar quality: Yesterday I was out with MA1050 and 4 m wing temporarily overpowerded in 30+ gusts. I hit a branch and felt/heard two bangs. But I did not find a ding on the front or rear wing or mast
Regards
the new HA1250 2023
Can anyone why has spent time on both the SF and MA series describe the difference in characteristics for similar size (surface area)?
Select to expand quotelive2play said..
Can anyone why has spent time on both the SF and MA series describe the difference in characteristics for similar size (surface area)?
the MA v2 that is?
Tested the HA1250-1050-850, SF930-SF1080 and the MA850v2.
82KG, average skills, Low swell to big lake to small gusty lake.
Had Sabfoil and used last years mainly the 945 with 399 stab.
Seek 5'1 98L and Strike 2's in sizes 5.5-4.5-3.5
Want to wing in the range of 10/12-28/30kn. On lakes and small waves/swell.
The SF930+HA850 are my best friends now.
SF930 is my light wind frontwing. But also usable in small swell/waves. It has a crazy lift for its size and still very good speed. Feels a bit slower as both 850s in turns but has a nice flow and always in control. Even in the upper wind range.
HA850 I use with stable winds above 16kn+. You need a bit more pump but then it flies and flies hard. Its loose, fast, glides and controllable. Did i say fast? Because of the speed you go way easier through the lulls.
I don't want anything bigger anymore. Once you tried these frontwings, the HA1050 and 1250 are just slow big dragging things. Consequence however is that you sail a bit more powered in your wings. But Strike 5.5 with SF930 and 98L board still releases me from 10/12kn+. One little gust and you go.
rise
1)SF930 2)MA850v2 3) HA850
speed
1)HA850 2) MA850v2 3)SF930
glide
1)HA850 2)930 3)MA850v2
maneuvers
1)HA850 high wind 1)SF930 low wind - You can dance with it!
stability
1)SF930 2)850's
fun
1)HA850 with wind 1)SF930 low wind/waves 2)MA850v2
If you only can afford only one front wing...pick the MA850v2. If you want more low end lift and more high end speed/glide, buy the combo of SF and HA. The MA is just in the middle like North says.
Have the 208 and 178 stab...and i use 75% the HA850 with 178 stab. The 208 stab with the SF930.
Next: Smaller board and jumps
Select to expand quoteMProject04 said..live2play said..
Can anyone why has spent time on both the SF and MA series describe the difference in characteristics for similar size (surface area)?
the MA v2 that is?
Sorry... Yes MAv2
Select to expand quotetintifax said..ganeshka said..
Had a couple of sessions with MA850v2 what a glide what a wing!!! I can't compare to something small my progression was 2200R, 1850R, MA1200 . I was blown away by feeling of glide combined with pretty good low stall speed. Easily can good through white water and can keep with wind swells in 20 knots and up. Was riding this foil from 15 knots with 8m Loft pro up to 35 with gusts to 40+ knots. It is magic foil ?? was using s270 with negative shim. I want to get use to the size and next time will try s208.
I sold my MA1200 and now I'm looking for light wind wing from minimum up to 14 knots. What is the options we have now? From north I see they suggest HA1150, HA1250, HA1450. In couple of videos I heard that SF serious in bigger sizes can be light wind solution. So what to choose SF1080 or HA1250. My weight is about 80kg and I have 8m wing and 88liters seek board
Can't speak for the SF but the 1250 HA was very efficient in light wind for me (90kg) with the S208. At a lake with lulls i would reckon it is superior to the SF as the HA has low drag and heaps of glide
I still have the HA 1450, which brings me up in literally no wind and has endless glide with no drag and good speed - though still reasonably good in turns compared to the span. But will sell it, as i give up winging under 15 knts - you can pm me if interested
Tintifax, that 1450 is it 2023 version? How is the stall speed on the bigger HA wings? Thanks
I'm thinking about switching to north foils. how do the sizes compare to other foils for example f-one, duotone? Can I assume that if I have a duotone mid aspect of 1200 that I need about the same size with north?
Select to expand quoteHansH said..
I'm thinking about switching to north foils. how do the sizes compare to other foils for example f-one, duotone? Can I assume that if I have a duotone mid aspect of 1200 that I need about the same size with north?
Howdy, plenty of good reviews online, latest one here where they discuss the whole system, not just the latest sweet new ma850:
Finally got to really test the 850 MA V2 in 25 knots and big swell... Decided to leave it on the 700 fuse as the ocean was wild and I wanted stability. It decidedly needs a bit more power/speed to come up than the 930SF but once going has quite a low stall speed.. Feels very "slippery" compared to the AWD SF foils.. Definately LESS pump and glide. I'm thinking that it really does NOT pair so well with my beloved 215 surf stab.. Always felt like I had a bit of seaweed or plastic clinging to the stab.. Almost a vibration when things should have been smooth as silk... So my question to ask who are loving the 850MA...what is your stab of choice?
ANYONE had the good fortune to try it with the new 185 surf stab? (id much prefer to buy this new "little brother" of the 215 instead of the 208 which I didn't really feel pumped very well at all...)
Id love to hear the comments... Have to say I think I would have had more fun on the 930 and short fuse... Then the 850 with the 215.. The last few big days we have had. But im RESERVING judgement on the v850 until I get a chance to try her with a smaller stab.
Did you actually try the S208 with the MA 850v2? The 215 is not for the medium aspect series. You should try the 850v2 with their s178 or s208. If you want more stability try the S210. But that S215 is for the SF series.
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Finally got to really test the 850 MA V2 in 25 knots and big swell... Decided to leave it on the 700 fuse as the ocean was wild and I wanted stability. It decidedly needs a bit more power/speed to come up than the 930SF but once going has quite a low stall speed.. Feels very "slippery" compared to the AWD SF foils.. Definately LESS pump and glide. I'm thinking that it really does NOT pair so well with my beloved 215 surf stab.. Always felt like I had a bit of seaweed or plastic clinging to the stab.. Almost a vibration when things should have been smooth as silk... So my question to ask who are loving the 850MA...what is your stab of choice?
ANYONE had the good fortune to try it with the new 185 surf stab? (id much prefer to buy this new "little brother" of the 215 instead of the 208 which I didn't really feel pumped very well at all...)
Id love to hear the comments... Have to say I think I would have had more fun on the 930 and short fuse... Then the 850 with the 215.. The last few big days we have had. But im RESERVING judgement on the v850 until I get a chance to try her with a smaller stab.
The S215 is great for dock starts but a bad idea with either the V2 MAs or the HA ... no wonder it killed the glide.
I did a test with the HA1050 shortly at some point, and it felt like I was dragging an anchor.
For winging, I only use the 178 (850MA v2 1050 HA and SF930). I wished they had a 158.
