Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..bigtone667 said..CFL Foiler said..bigtone667 said..hilly said..bigtone667 said..
Got out today in 20 to 25 knots on 4.2m d-flow on 7'8" DW board and 1450 whizz foil.
I was fully lit in the 25 knot gusts but no issues leaning entirely on the front lines. No front edge collapsing and popping back out.
How does it pack away compared to BRM?
The BRM 5.1 packs down smaller than the 4.2m (the d-flow uses a heavier material).
Pack down size is a pretty important feature when selecting a parawing. Is that with the lighter weight material they are switching too? Was this a production version?
I believe it is the production version ....
Ah bummer. Still looks like a solid option especially at the lower price. Hopefully BRM will go on sale again I need a 3m and think I will just stick with BRM as pack down size is a big one for me, goal is just to use it a few times per session to hook into the dw bumps.
I just ran the BRM 5.1 and D-flow 4.2 back to back in some light wind conditions and BRM has more grunt and flies a little better. Both BRM's larger size and lighter materials made the difference. Provided you use the BRM in the recommended wind range, it is a great parawing.
Select to expand quoteStephenZ said..BrendanRobb said..
Gav from hydrofoil academy said that you should not parawing in the surf. What are everyone's thoughts about that?
You don't want to have breaking waves behind you until long after it's fully collapsed with the lines wrapped up nicely and the whole thing in a single bundle in one hand with no dangling lines and fabric. Then I don't see the problem. It becomes like regular surf foiling. Pump out to get clear ideally. If you come off, hold on to your bundle tight, get on the board, stash the wing fully (you probably want to have a belt or a stash vest or something to stuff it into) and prone paddle back out. No drama. Far rather this than an inflatable wing in the same situation - I for one avoid winging into the crunch zone.
You probably don't want to try redeploying the parawing in the crunch zone - if that goes wrong you have a situation.
Where the parawing works worse than a regular wing for surf is getting onto a wave in the first place, in cross to cross-off conditions. With a regular wing you can pick your spot, line up perfectly and flag out. With a parawing, it's very hard to stow the wing without bearing off downwind to collapse and wrap. This makes getting onto the wave much harder as you're simultaneously dealing with packing up the wing and trying to get the right angle and timing for the wave you're trying to catch without necessarily having the ideal position and trajectory. You lose a lot of ground downwind in the process, which means you may end up on the wrong part of the wave.
thank you, great insights
Just received my 3m d wing. The canopy material seems very similar to my brm. I wander if they switched to a lighter material on the production wings. Construction looks nice. It has little mini ribs in between the big ribs. Packs down fine.
Select to expand quotebroVan said..
Just received my 3m d wing. The canopy material seems very similar to my brm. I wander if they switched to a lighter material on the production wings. Construction looks nice. It has little mini ribs in between the big ribs. Packs down fine.
I read somewhere they did drop the weight of the fabric for production.
Select to expand quotehilly said..broVan said..
Just received my 3m d wing. The canopy material seems very similar to my brm. I wander if they switched to a lighter material on the production wings. Construction looks nice. It has little mini ribs in between the big ribs. Packs down fine.
I read somewhere they did drop the weight of the fabric for production.
Gavin confirmed that in the video review posted earlier in this thread: 38 to 32 grams Skytex. It's worth watching the whole review.
Some background here about 32g Skytex: sky.lentea.com/news-top-en/paraglider-fabric-more-to-it-than-meets-the-eye.html
More messing about with the D-wing. Been curious about standing up, because like Piros, my knees are shot.
I'm sure it is much harder than he makes it look but I like the knee free start BRM Greg does here:
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Yeah, I reckon that's what I look like getting up off my knees... 
It's amazing the difference in standing when my knee injections are working at max. I go from 90 year old man to 20 year old. It's so awesome. It's unfortunate the limitations on injections.
For me, daily dose of liquid flaxseed oil has kept my knees grind/bind free. This foiling caper sure needs flexibility and good knees
Select to expand quoteDWF said..Jethrow said..
Yeah, I reckon that's what I look like getting up off my knees...
It's amazing the difference in standing when my knee injections are working at max. I go from 90 year old man to 20 year old. It's so awesome. It's unfortunate the limitations on injections.
Hi
A knee question as I'm on the waiting list for a TKR (2yrs uk). Do you find the Parawing easier on the knees. My concern is with reduced flexibility and difficulty kneeling after operation I won't be able to foil. Thanks
Select to expand quotergmacca said..DWF said..Jethrow said..
Yeah, I reckon that's what I look like getting up off my knees...
It's amazing the difference in standing when my knee injections are working at max. I go from 90 year old man to 20 year old. It's so awesome. It's unfortunate the limitations on injections.
Hi
A knee question as I'm on the waiting list for a TKR (2yrs uk). Do you find the Parawing easier on the knees. My concern is with reduced flexibility and difficulty kneeling after operation I won't be able to foil. Thanks
I have a 72 year old female winging friend with double knee replacement. She rips on a wing. She always puts hands on deck to stand, then uphauls wing. Today will be my first day actually riding a parawing. It's been windless all week here.
When you have to put hands on deck to stand, you CAN do it. I do it on a 19.7 wide 6'8 board. All my friends cannot do it. They try it, find it's hard, and never try again. When you have to, you learn how to.
Select to expand quoteDWF said..rgmacca said..DWF said..Jethrow said..
Yeah, I reckon that's what I look like getting up off my knees...
It's amazing the difference in standing when my knee injections are working at max. I go from 90 year old man to 20 year old. It's so awesome. It's unfortunate the limitations on injections.
Hi
A knee question as I'm on the waiting list for a TKR (2yrs uk). Do you find the Parawing easier on the knees. My concern is with reduced flexibility and difficulty kneeling after operation I won't be able to foil. Thanks
I have a 72 year old female winging friend with double knee replacement. She rips on a wing. She always puts hands on deck to stand, then uphauls wing. Today will be my first day actually riding a parawing. It's been windless all week here.
When you have to put hands on deck to stand, you CAN do it. I do it on a 19.7 wide 6'8 board. All my friends cannot do it. They try it, find it's hard, and never try again. When you have to, you learn how to.
That's reassuring to know. Hope you got out on the Parawing and had some positive results. Thanks.
Select to expand quoteedham said..
I'm sure it is much harder than he makes it look but I like the knee free start BRM Greg does here:
I'm going to explore that one as it should be easier to do it this way than with a wing which I found impossible. Being able to hold on to power with one hand and using the back hand to push up may be enough. Looks like one needs to be a yoga master to do either though.
Since I have only a 3M I'm spending way to much time on my knees tooling around waiting for a gust of sufficient strength and duration. At least staying upwind off foil is easy enough. Mainly what hurts are the tips of my toes from keeping them curled under and up against the kick pad.
We're just not getting the stronger stuff lately
Had a 27km session today on the 4.2m d-flow in 15-20 knots.
The games changers for me are using a 17 3/4 inch wide Armstrong DW board (fast planing), duotone 1750 Amp (will takeoff at 6 knots) and adding a harness line and waistband/hook to give the hands and arms a break.
Select to expand quotebigtone667 said..
Had a 27km session today on the 4.2m d-flow in 15-20 knots.
The games changers for me are using a 17 3/4 inch wide Armstrong DW board (fast planing), duotone 1750 Amp (will takeoff at 6 knots) and adding a harness line and waistband/hook to give the hands and arms a break.
The harness is key for long term upwind success me thinks. As kiters, we are used to loading up and edging to get good upwind angles. Those that came into wing dinging without kiting don't have that advantage. I can't wait until I get good enough on the para. I have just started and have that excitement once again after foiling with a kite for the last 9 years.
Select to expand quotedafish said..bigtone667 said..
Had a 27km session today on the 4.2m d-flow in 15-20 knots.
The games changers for me are using a 17 3/4 inch wide Armstrong DW board (fast planing), duotone 1750 Amp (will takeoff at 6 knots) and adding a harness line and waistband/hook to give the hands and arms a break.
The harness is key for long term upwind success me thinks. As kiters, we are used to loading up and edging to get good upwind angles. Those that came into wing dinging without kiting don't have that advantage. I can't wait until I get good enough on the para. I have just started and have that excitement once again after foiling with a kite for the last 9 years.
Reminds me of kiting with a chest harness. Makes total sense when you carry so much constant power.
Select to expand quotebigtone667 said..
Had a 27km session today on the 4.2m d-flow in 15-20 knots.
The games changers for me are using a 17 3/4 inch wide Armstrong DW board (fast planing), duotone 1750 Amp (will takeoff at 6 knots) and adding a harness line and waistband/hook to give the hands and arms a break.
what armstrong DW board is 17 3/4?? The DWP 8'11 is 17 inch and the normal ones are 20 and 3/4 ? do you have something else ?
Select to expand quoteeppo said..bigtone667 said..
Had a 27km session today on the 4.2m d-flow in 15-20 knots.
The games changers for me are using a 17 3/4 inch wide Armstrong DW board (fast planing), duotone 1750 Amp (will takeoff at 6 knots) and adding a harness line and waistband/hook to give the hands and arms a break.
what armstrong DW board is 17 3/4?? The DWP 8'11 is 17 inch and the normal ones are 20 and 3/4 ? do you have something else ?
DWP 108... 17 1/4.
98L: 8'2 / 249cm x 16 3/4" / 42.6cm x 5 7/8" 14.9cm
108L: 8'11 / 272cm x 17 1/4" / 43.8cm x 5 7/8" / 14.9cm
118L: 9'6 / 289cm x 17 1/4" / 43.8cm x 5 7/8" / 14.9cm
I'm just wondering if anyone on here who was told their wing would ship in the second week of feb has received it yet? When I ordered the confirmation email said it would be ready to ship now but I haven't received any emails telling me it's been sent. I also emailed them and they haven't gotten back to me to confirm shipping of my order. Probably just frothing out a bit too much and getting impatient but thought I'd check if other seabreezers had received theirs?
Yes I received mine yesterday here in Canada. It came in about four days, arriving two days earlier than scheduled on FedEx's website.
Got mine yesterday. Stoked with how it flies. Easy to get up on foil and go upwind. Game changer for me.
Select to expand quotehilly said..
Got mine yesterday. Stoked with how it flies. Easy to get up on foil and go upwind. Game changer for me.
Hilly, what size(s) did you get? Did you decide the 2.9M BRM was of too small most of time?
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..
I'm just wondering if anyone on here who was told their wing would ship in the second week of feb has received it yet? When I ordered the confirmation email said it would be ready to ship now but I haven't received any emails telling me it's been sent. I also emailed them and they haven't gotten back to me to confirm shipping of my order. Probably just frothing out a bit too much and getting impatient but thought I'd check if other seabreezers had received theirs?
Got mine yesterday too. I got an email the previous week to say it would be shipping. I'd give them a call.
On a related note, what the hell is going on with the belt - there is no world where i can fit a parawing in that??
Select to expand quotehilly said..
98L: 8'2 / 249cm x 16 3/4" / 42.6cm x 5 7/8" 14.9cm
108L: 8'11 / 272cm x 17 1/4" / 43.8cm x 5 7/8" / 14.9cm
118L: 9'6 / 289cm x 17 1/4" / 43.8cm x 5 7/8" / 14.9cm
oops 
Select to expand quoteThatspec said..hilly said..
Got mine yesterday. Stoked with how it flies. Easy to get up on foil and go upwind. Game changer for me.
Hilly, what size(s) did you get? Did you decide the 2.9M BRM was of too small most of time?
The Dwing and BRM fly differently. BRM constant pull downwind great for heading off downwinding hard to go upwind. Dwing flies more forward in the window suits what I want to do. Upwind downwind.
Select to expand quoteCH3MTR4IL5 said..Youngbreezy said..
I'm just wondering if anyone on here who was told their wing would ship in the second week of feb has received it yet? When I ordered the confirmation email said it would be ready to ship now but I haven't received any emails telling me it's been sent. I also emailed them and they haven't gotten back to me to confirm shipping of my order. Probably just frothing out a bit too much and getting impatient but thought I'd check if other seabreezers had received theirs?
Got mine yesterday too. I got an email the previous week to say it would be shipping. I'd give them a call.
On a related note, what the hell is going on with the belt - there is no world where i can fit a parawing in that??
Has a big pocket.
