Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..
Pretty big assumption.
The v2 brm would have to be a quantum leap over the v1 in upwind and stable range performance to come close to a one wing solution for what most need.
Most of us just require upwind like a great lei wing, pull stability accross the wind range and good range with pump at the bottom end. Sound simple and like one wing to me.
Just check out the ozone in its tiny bag if you have question about the material and it's packing. Nothing at all like the flow or brm it seems. Keep in mind the v2 brm was developed without seeing the ozone so comments about parawing companies are just marketing.
It's great to love your brand but the improvements you guys are reporting just sound like catch ups to the flow stability, range and upwind with ozone going a lot better again.
I can only speak for the 2.9m Ka'a vs Maliko. It is a quantum leap forward.
First the super short lines make it super maneuverable. It feels like driving a sports car. You can loop the Parawing when riding down the line no problem! These super short lines also prevent tangles and it packs up even smaller. Also enables lighting fast stow/redeploy. Like it's shockingly fast! (Line length is why I cancelled my Ozone order once I realized they're longer than Maliko V1 and the benefits of short lines)
The yoke basically gives pulley features without a stupid pulley to deal with. Range and stability solved. Also creates a super compact form factor. Making pack up smaller again and less tangles to deal with.
Baby bar. Super small compact bar. Lighter and easier to pack away again. Has the nub on the front. Wrap front lines around it and get more low end by changing angle of attack.
Those are the 3 major designs difference that I'm sure we'll see other manufacturers emulate. All we have really seen from other manufacturers is more stability but where are the other improvements? They have basically just refined the original Maliko design. We want innovation and BRM for sure is leading the way.
Select to expand quoteCFL Foiler said..AnyBoard said..
Pretty big assumption.
The v2 brm would have to be a quantum leap over the v1 in upwind and stable range performance to come close to a one wing solution for what most need.
Most of us just require upwind like a great lei wing, pull stability accross the wind range and good range with pump at the bottom end. Sound simple and like one wing to me.
Just check out the ozone in its tiny bag if you have question about the material and it's packing. Nothing at all like the flow or brm it seems. Keep in mind the v2 brm was developed without seeing the ozone so comments about parawing companies are just marketing.
It's great to love your brand but the improvements you guys are reporting just sound like catch ups to the flow stability, range and upwind with ozone going a lot better again.
I have the Ozone pocket Rocket 3m. I have not had enough wind to get on foil with it but I have flown it a few times now. It looks like a nice incremental improvement in stability from the Maliko so far though. The canopy is a heavier material than the BRM. It Is a 3m so it doesn't really matter, but it would make a difference in the larger sizes. The bridles seem thicker too. The bar is noticeably bigger than my Maliko bar, longer and larger diameter. It's more comfortable to use but larger to stow. The bag that the pocket rocket comes in is a joke. It's so small I will never use it. I just pack my two pws together in the BRM mesh duffle bag. Honestly all small issues but worth pointing out.
I think all the major brands pw designs will work for upwind/dw. Some will point slightly better than others. From what I have seen so far though I think the v2 BRMs have made nice improvements to the original design and over the current crop of parawings on the market.
V2 improvements:
-increased stability
-larger wind range
-Ka'a shorter bridles(this one is big)
-smaller bar(easier to stow and easier to trim)
And he level set with the marked leading edge and bridles although I never thought that was as big a deal as some make it. Bonus BRM has all their sizes in stock.
The Pocket rocket fits so lovely in the little bag i just can't stop marveling at the minimal package and what it can do. So perfect. I can put stuff on top without fear of squashing battens while i travel. So easy to pack into as it makes you fold it up correctly for storage and takes less than a minute. Surely the duffle is useless for travel and storage?
I asked on here earlier about sizing because my 3m ozone seems to have better lower end than my 3.6m brand new ozone flow wing and definitely has similar top end. I would say that puts the range way up there. Can't wait till you ride that 3m ozone a few times.
It sounds like the V2's will make the BRM crew a lot happier and less envious but time will tell.
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It sounds like the V2's will make the BRM crew a lot happier and less envious but time will tell.
Weird flex but ok. Let's stick with comparing and design trades and performance. Don't think anyone is interested in a flame war.
The duffle is ideal for storing the pw(two in fact), it gives it the room and ventilation to dry. I could easily see traveling with it too, just squish it in a corner of a board bag and done. I don't want to have to watch a YouTube video to learn how to properly fold my pw perfectly to fit it in a tiny bag. But glad others like that stuff. Lots of choices available now which is great.
Great review above by foil the greats. I personally put more weight on these forums and user reviews vs some of the really well produced YouTube videos out there. We're all just trying to find the right gear for our riding conditions and style. Thanks for the review
Side note, it's hard to tell but it looks like the FOne PWis going to have a small bar as well.
Select to expand quoteAnyBoard said..CFL Foiler said..AnyBoard said..
Pretty big assumption.
The v2 brm would have to be a quantum leap over the v1 in upwind and stable range performance to come close to a one wing solution for what most need.
Most of us just require upwind like a great lei wing, pull stability accross the wind range and good range with pump at the bottom end. Sound simple and like one wing to me.
Just check out the ozone in its tiny bag if you have question about the material and it's packing. Nothing at all like the flow or brm it seems. Keep in mind the v2 brm was developed without seeing the ozone so comments about parawing companies are just marketing.
It's great to love your brand but the improvements you guys are reporting just sound like catch ups to the flow stability, range and upwind with ozone going a lot better again.
I have the Ozone pocket Rocket 3m. I have not had enough wind to get on foil with it but I have flown it a few times now. It looks like a nice incremental improvement in stability from the Maliko so far though. The canopy is a heavier material than the BRM. It Is a 3m so it doesn't really matter, but it would make a difference in the larger sizes. The bridles seem thicker too. The bar is noticeably bigger than my Maliko bar, longer and larger diameter. It's more comfortable to use but larger to stow. The bag that the pocket rocket comes in is a joke. It's so small I will never use it. I just pack my two pws together in the BRM mesh duffle bag. Honestly all small issues but worth pointing out.
I think all the major brands pw designs will work for upwind/dw. Some will point slightly better than others. From what I have seen so far though I think the v2 BRMs have made nice improvements to the original design and over the current crop of parawings on the market.
V2 improvements:
-increased stability
-larger wind range
-Ka'a shorter bridles(this one is big)
-smaller bar(easier to stow and easier to trim)
And he level set with the marked leading edge and bridles although I never thought that was as big a deal as some make it. Bonus BRM has all their sizes in stock.
The Pocket rocket fits so lovely in the little bag i just can't stop marveling at the minimal package and what it can do. So perfect. I can put stuff on top without fear of squashing battens while i travel. So easy to pack into as it makes you fold it up correctly for storage and takes less than a minute. Surely the duffle is useless for travel and storage?
I asked on here earlier about sizing because my 3m ozone seems to have better lower end than my 3.6m brand new ozone flow wing and definitely has similar top end. I would say that puts the range way up there. Can't wait till you ride that 3m ozone a few times.
It sounds like the V2's will make the BRM crew a lot happier and less envious but time will tell.
How did I miss the tip about the A-Lines wrapping around the Nub? I tried to sneak a quick session in some oneshore light breezes with the 4M Kanaha and had trouble keeping it airborne, attempting to use my finger to hold the A lines while starting was no fun.
In the end the slight onshore current thwarted my efforts and I ended up failing to get on foil. Wind was probably 8-11knts with an 85L board and 1350 foil. Maybe could have made it work with my 98L DW board and the Nub trick.
Hear a lot about the Ka'a in smaller sizes any reviews of Ka'a in bigger sizes or the kanaha vs Ka'a 4.8 and above for us big dawgs? has to be some BRM users on larger sizes testing em out by now?how about keeping thread BRM centered too eh!!
Aright, my 2.3m Ka'a is at the Fedex sorting facility so I'll hopefully have it by end of day today. Tomorrow morning for pickup at the worst. Just in time, the weather looks good the next couple of days (the gusts here tend to be more sustained):
I'd love to get a few tips on gear selection for my first run at this little ripper on a day around 30 knots.
I'm 86kg
3 boards to choose from:
5'9"x20" 65l
5'11"x20" 77l
6'6"x18" 90l
4 foils to choose from:
Silk 650, 850, 1050
Ultra 750
For a first go I plan to try to do the smallest downwind reaches and then back up with an easy bail out up or downwind. If I was winging I would probably go 2.5m wing, 77l board 650 foil. If I was doing a downwind run in these conditions I would probably do 3m wing, 65l board, 650 foil (or 750 if I just wanted to glide). So, in order to maximize the fun zone and learning experience, anyone care to chime in with a kit recommendation for a first time parawinger? I'd also love to hear what gear combo you think would be fun in the same conditions once I'm comfortable with managing the 2.3m Ka'a parawing.
Select to expand quoteSo, in order to maximize the fun zone and learning experience, anyone care to chime in with a kit recommendation for a first time parawinger? I'd also love to hear what gear combo you think would be fun in the same conditions once I'm comfortable with managing the 2.3m Ka'a parawing.
First time, I'd go 90L, 1050 to make everything more stable and easy to get on foil. The grunty feel on land diminishes a fair bit on water when you are trying to get up onto foil relative to a wing. You'll have a better chance of enjoying your first session rather than fighting for stability and take off speed. You'll then have a good idea of whether sizing board/foil down is the go. I've only ridden my 4m V1 Maliko and a friend's 3m V1 so far, but there's quite a learning curve with sheeting angle (small movements on the v1 bar make BIG sheeting angle adjustments on the canopy). Hopefully V2 is more friendly to fly out of the bag. Good luck! It's a fun discipline and you're in the prime spot for it.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..AnyBoard said..CFL Foiler said..AnyBoard said..
Pretty big assumption.
The v2 brm would have to be a quantum leap over the v1 in upwind and stable range performance to come close to a one wing solution for what most need.
Most of us just require upwind like a great lei wing, pull stability accross the wind range and good range with pump at the bottom end. Sound simple and like one wing to me.
Just check out the ozone in its tiny bag if you have question about the material and it's packing. Nothing at all like the flow or brm it seems. Keep in mind the v2 brm was developed without seeing the ozone so comments about parawing companies are just marketing.
It's great to love your brand but the improvements you guys are reporting just sound like catch ups to the flow stability, range and upwind with ozone going a lot better again.
I have the Ozone pocket Rocket 3m. I have not had enough wind to get on foil with it but I have flown it a few times now. It looks like a nice incremental improvement in stability from the Maliko so far though. The canopy is a heavier material than the BRM. It Is a 3m so it doesn't really matter, but it would make a difference in the larger sizes. The bridles seem thicker too. The bar is noticeably bigger than my Maliko bar, longer and larger diameter. It's more comfortable to use but larger to stow. The bag that the pocket rocket comes in is a joke. It's so small I will never use it. I just pack my two pws together in the BRM mesh duffle bag. Honestly all small issues but worth pointing out.
I think all the major brands pw designs will work for upwind/dw. Some will point slightly better than others. From what I have seen so far though I think the v2 BRMs have made nice improvements to the original design and over the current crop of parawings on the market.
V2 improvements:
-increased stability
-larger wind range
-Ka'a shorter bridles(this one is big)
-smaller bar(easier to stow and easier to trim)
And he level set with the marked leading edge and bridles although I never thought that was as big a deal as some make it. Bonus BRM has all their sizes in stock.
The Pocket rocket fits so lovely in the little bag i just can't stop marveling at the minimal package and what it can do. So perfect. I can put stuff on top without fear of squashing battens while i travel. So easy to pack into as it makes you fold it up correctly for storage and takes less than a minute. Surely the duffle is useless for travel and storage?
I asked on here earlier about sizing because my 3m ozone seems to have better lower end than my 3.6m brand new ozone flow wing and definitely has similar top end. I would say that puts the range way up there. Can't wait till you ride that 3m ozone a few times.
It sounds like the V2's will make the BRM crew a lot happier and less envious but time will tell.
How did I miss the tip about the A-Lines wrapping around the Nub? I tried to sneak a quick session in some oneshore light breezes with the 4M Kanaha and had trouble keeping it airborne, attempting to use my finger to hold the A lines while starting was no fun.
In the end the slight onshore current thwarted my efforts and I ended up failing to get on foil. Wind was probably 8-11knts with an 85L board and 1350 foil. Maybe could have made it work with my 98L DW board and the Nub trick.
Here is the video explaining the nub wrap: www.instagram.com/p/DI7A3RnTQ_H/
I always go DW board in light conditions. I find it helps a ton and can go for the DW SUP style pump up on a swell.
Select to expand quoteWindoc said..So, in order to maximize the fun zone and learning experience, anyone care to chime in with a kit recommendation for a first time parawinger? I'd also love to hear what gear combo you think would be fun in the same conditions once I'm comfortable with managing the 2.3m Ka'a parawing.
First time, I'd go 90L, 1050 to make everything more stable and easy to get on foil. The grunty feel on land diminishes a fair bit on water when you are trying to get up onto foil relative to a wing. You'll have a better chance of enjoying your first session rather than fighting for stability and take off speed. You'll then have a good idea of whether sizing board/foil down is the go. I've only ridden my 4m V1 Maliko and a friend's 3m V1 so far, but there's quite a learning curve with sheeting angle (small movements on the v1 bar make BIG sheeting angle adjustments on the canopy). Hopefully V2 is more friendly to fly out of the bag. Good luck! It's a fun discipline and you're in the prime spot for it.
Yes to this. Set yourself up for success. Don't forget to rig up a harness if you plan to go upwind.
Thanks gents, I was kinda leaning that direction already and it's good to hear I wasn't making a bad decision for first time out. If all goes well, or horribly, I'll report back on how it went!
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Thanks gents, I was kinda leaning that direction already and it's good to hear I wasn't making a bad decision for first time out. If all goes well, or horribly, I'll report back on how it went!
I'd add the following. Look for a spot where the current is neutral or against the wind if possible. Have fun!!
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..BWalnut said..
Thanks gents, I was kinda leaning that direction already and it's good to hear I wasn't making a bad decision for first time out. If all goes well, or horribly, I'll report back on how it went!
I'd add the following. Look for a spot where the current is neutral or against the wind if possible. Have fun!!
That's easy here! Columbia River is flowing at 190,000 cubic feet per second against the wind right now 
First day as a parawinger was a success! Lots of hard lessons but had some awesome flights with the 2.3m Ka'a.
Big takeaways:
As a total noob I found the small canopy and short lines crazy easy to deal with. Relaunches are easy, pack and stow was easy, redeploys were 100% successful.
Wind was averaging 25 knots with lulls at 20 and gusts at 30. At 86kg with a 90l dw board I needed the gusts to get up and good timing with swell. I'll get better and this was the lightest I would consider using it.
Upwind was marginal. Nothing like my wings.
Parawing management is a real skill for gybes and footswitches. I don't intend to develop it much, I think I'll be focusing on get up and go downwind with mine.
Next session I'll be sizing down my board and waiting for stronger wind. Hopefully have a DW run set up soon.
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Wind was averaging 25 knots with lulls at 20 and gusts at 30. At 86kg with a 90l dw board I needed the gusts to get up and good timing with swell. I'll get better and this was the lightest I would consider using it.
Thanks BW- really useful reassuring information. Life got busy so still haven't had my day 1 but, I have the Ka'a 3.6 and am hoping it will be about right for my 95kg to learn on w/ our summer conditions typically being about what you had. Hopefully I can take the plunge next week.
Day 2 finished. Wingfoiled the silk 650 all morning and switched to the 2.3m Ka'a when the wind was averaging 30 knots. I sized down the board and foil dramatically.
86kg went from:
90l 6'6"x18" to 77l 5'11"x20"
Swapped foil from AFS silk 1050 to ultra 750
Up and flying again. Stoked that 30 knots is good to go for smaller gear after 2 days of effort.
I was also WAY better at managing the parawing today. I was kinda scared going out but I leaned on what I learned yesterday and it was all very smooth.
Here is some good insight from Greg! Watch here or listen to the Spotify or apple audio.
Third session everything clicked. Smaller foils and sinker boards. Gybes, foot switches, everything. Only negative is that the wind came up at the end of my session and I found it impossible to manage the 2.3m ka'a at 40 knots. So, I'll have to sell this one and downsize way sooner than I expected.
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Third session everything clicked. Smaller foils and sinker boards. Gybes, foot switches, everything. Only negative is that the wind came up at the end of my session and I found it impossible to manage the 2.3m ka'a at 40 knots. So, I'll have to sell this one and downsize way sooner than I expected.
Why not just keep it for little lighter days 40 kts on a parawing don't think it's ever going to be as manageable as a wing IMO just saying kinda like kiting in 40 kts is always touch and go and gusty as all hell maybe a smaller kanaha might be a good backup or stick to winging on nuking days I find the PW range is so tight based on my V1 maliko at 100kg just got Ka'a 4.2 but have not had a chance to have a go yet,couldn't fathom parawinging at 40kts hats off for trying
Select to expand quotepitbulldoug said..BWalnut said..
Third session everything clicked. Smaller foils and sinker boards. Gybes, foot switches, everything. Only negative is that the wind came up at the end of my session and I found it impossible to manage the 2.3m ka'a at 40 knots. So, I'll have to sell this one and downsize way sooner than I expected.
Why not just keep it for little lighter days 40 kts on a parawing don't think it's ever going to be as manageable as a wing IMO just saying kinda like kiting in 40 kts is always touch and go and gusty as all hell maybe a smaller kanaha might be a good backup or stick to winging on nuking days I find the PW range is so tight based on my V1 maliko at 100kg just got Ka'a 4.2 but have not had a chance to have a go yet,couldn't fathom parawinging at 40kts hats off for trying
Reasonable question/idea for sure. I'm extremely comfortable with a wing up to close to 40 knots and am still fine with it higher than that but the upwind just sucks so bad when it's over 40+. So, my whole intent of getting the parawing was to use it when it's too much for fun on the wing and just head straight downwind. I didn't realize how hard it would be to control the 2.3m parawing on the extreme high end of things. It's not like a wing where you can depower or flag out easily. At least not from what I experienced. I was even having trouble retracting it and for a second I honestly thought I was going to have to swim back to shore lol! So, if it's up to 35 knots I'd rather be winging but over that I'd like to have a micro parawing for downwind shots.
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..pitbulldoug said..BWalnut said..
Third session everything clicked. Smaller foils and sinker boards. Gybes, foot switches, everything. Only negative is that the wind came up at the end of my session and I found it impossible to manage the 2.3m ka'a at 40 knots. So, I'll have to sell this one and downsize way sooner than I expected.
Why not just keep it for little lighter days 40 kts on a parawing don't think it's ever going to be as manageable as a wing IMO just saying kinda like kiting in 40 kts is always touch and go and gusty as all hell maybe a smaller kanaha might be a good backup or stick to winging on nuking days I find the PW range is so tight based on my V1 maliko at 100kg just got Ka'a 4.2 but have not had a chance to have a go yet,couldn't fathom parawinging at 40kts hats off for trying
Reasonable question/idea for sure. I'm extremely comfortable with a wing up to close to 40 knots and am still fine with it higher than that but the upwind just sucks so bad when it's over 40+. So, my whole intent of getting the parawing was to use it when it's too much for fun on the wing and just head straight downwind. I didn't realize how hard it would be to control the 2.3m parawing on the extreme high end of things. It's not like a wing where you can depower or flag out easily. At least not from what I experienced. I was even having trouble retracting it and for a second I honestly thought I was going to have to swim back to shore lol! So, if it's up to 35 knots I'd rather be winging but over that I'd like to have a micro parawing for downwind shots.
Yep agree the PW range are not great especially at those wind speeds! be curious if the 2.5 H/A kanaha would behave better for you? as only other option is the smaller Ka'a
Select to expand quotepitbulldoug said..BWalnut said..pitbulldoug said..BWalnut said..
Third session everything clicked. Smaller foils and sinker boards. Gybes, foot switches, everything. Only negative is that the wind came up at the end of my session and I found it impossible to manage the 2.3m ka'a at 40 knots. So, I'll have to sell this one and downsize way sooner than I expected.
Why not just keep it for little lighter days 40 kts on a parawing don't think it's ever going to be as manageable as a wing IMO just saying kinda like kiting in 40 kts is always touch and go and gusty as all hell maybe a smaller kanaha might be a good backup or stick to winging on nuking days I find the PW range is so tight based on my V1 maliko at 100kg just got Ka'a 4.2 but have not had a chance to have a go yet,couldn't fathom parawinging at 40kts hats off for trying
Reasonable question/idea for sure. I'm extremely comfortable with a wing up to close to 40 knots and am still fine with it higher than that but the upwind just sucks so bad when it's over 40+. So, my whole intent of getting the parawing was to use it when it's too much for fun on the wing and just head straight downwind. I didn't realize how hard it would be to control the 2.3m parawing on the extreme high end of things. It's not like a wing where you can depower or flag out easily. At least not from what I experienced. I was even having trouble retracting it and for a second I honestly thought I was going to have to swim back to shore lol! So, if it's up to 35 knots I'd rather be winging but over that I'd like to have a micro parawing for downwind shots.
Yep agree the PW range are not great especially at those wind speeds! be curious if the 2.5 H/A kanaha would behave better for you? as only other option is the smaller Ka'a
I didn't even consider the kanaha for better behavior...
As a beginner getting up on foil with roughly 23 knots with a -10l board and a 1050 and then maxing out at 40 knots seemed better than expected? The small sizes seem to have a wider range and I found that using it like a paddle really opened up the low end.
That being said, when it's 40 knots its always terribly gusty (usually 30-50) so it might be tough to even expect the 1.7m to work on those very select days that I am aiming for...
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..pitbulldoug said..BWalnut said..pitbulldoug said..BWalnut said..
Third session everything clicked. Smaller foils and sinker boards. Gybes, foot switches, everything. Only negative is that the wind came up at the end of my session and I found it impossible to manage the 2.3m ka'a at 40 knots. So, I'll have to sell this one and downsize way sooner than I expected.
Why not just keep it for little lighter days 40 kts on a parawing don't think it's ever going to be as manageable as a wing IMO just saying kinda like kiting in 40 kts is always touch and go and gusty as all hell maybe a smaller kanaha might be a good backup or stick to winging on nuking days I find the PW range is so tight based on my V1 maliko at 100kg just got Ka'a 4.2 but have not had a chance to have a go yet,couldn't fathom parawinging at 40kts hats off for trying
Reasonable question/idea for sure. I'm extremely comfortable with a wing up to close to 40 knots and am still fine with it higher than that but the upwind just sucks so bad when it's over 40+. So, my whole intent of getting the parawing was to use it when it's too much for fun on the wing and just head straight downwind. I didn't realize how hard it would be to control the 2.3m parawing on the extreme high end of things. It's not like a wing where you can depower or flag out easily. At least not from what I experienced. I was even having trouble retracting it and for a second I honestly thought I was going to have to swim back to shore lol! So, if it's up to 35 knots I'd rather be winging but over that I'd like to have a micro parawing for downwind shots.
Yep agree the PW range are not great especially at those wind speeds! be curious if the 2.5 H/A kanaha would behave better for you? as only other option is the smaller Ka'a
I didn't even consider the kanaha for better behavior...
As a beginner getting up on foil with roughly 23 knots with a -10l board and a 1050 and then maxing out at 40 knots seemed better than expected? The small sizes seem to have a wider range and I found that using it like a paddle really opened up the low end.
That being said, when it's 40 knots its always terribly gusty (usually 30-50) so it might be tough to even expect the 1.7m to work on those very select days that I am aiming for...
BW- what it's worth, was similar conditions- blowing in 30s- gusting well into 40s here and there were a few fairly new PWers out managing quite well on Ka'a 1.7s.
Went from not enough wind to cranking w/ forecasts of same into the foreseeable future here, so still haven't tried the PW. Bought a 3.6 to learn, but may have to get smaller if I want to go anytime soon.
Select to expand quoteHoloholo said..
BW- what it's worth, was similar conditions- blowing in 30s- gusting well into 40s here and there were a few fairly new PWers out managing quite well on Ka'a 1.7s.
Went from not enough wind to cranking w/ forecasts of same into the foreseeable future here, so still haven't tried the PW. Bought a 3.6 to learn, but may have to get smaller if I want to go anytime soon.
Huge thanks for sharing that report. The 2.3m sold almost immediately so I've got the funds for the 1.7m right away. I have been mulling over the idea of grabbing it, or if I should try to find anyone that might possibly let me try it in extreme winds to confirm it's the right call. Your report makes me feel a lot more confident in going for it sooner than later.
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..Holoholo said..
BW- what it's worth, was similar conditions- blowing in 30s- gusting well into 40s here and there were a few fairly new PWers out managing quite well on Ka'a 1.7s.
Went from not enough wind to cranking w/ forecasts of same into the foreseeable future here, so still haven't tried the PW. Bought a 3.6 to learn, but may have to get smaller if I want to go anytime soon.
Huge thanks for sharing that report. The 2.3m sold almost immediately so I've got the funds for the 1.7m right away. I have been mulling over the idea of grabbing it, or if I should try to find anyone that might possibly let me try it in extreme winds to confirm it's the right call. Your report makes me feel a lot more confident in going for it sooner than later.
Greg recently posted on his instagram a few new methods of killing the power when under load. The one option that looked awesome was just yanking on the yoke and the PW collapses instantly. Other option is to do an A-Line collapse, but just grab a few of the center lines, not all of them.
I have the 1.8M(?) Maliko V1 and had one session in 30-40Knts and it was the most comfortable i've ever been in winds that strong - comparing to winging with 2.2M-2.8M Inflato-wings.
Select to expand quoteMidAtlanticFoil said..BWalnut said..Holoholo said..
BW- what it's worth, was similar conditions- blowing in 30s- gusting well into 40s here and there were a few fairly new PWers out managing quite well on Ka'a 1.7s.
Went from not enough wind to cranking w/ forecasts of same into the foreseeable future here, so still haven't tried the PW. Bought a 3.6 to learn, but may have to get smaller if I want to go anytime soon.
Huge thanks for sharing that report. The 2.3m sold almost immediately so I've got the funds for the 1.7m right away. I have been mulling over the idea of grabbing it, or if I should try to find anyone that might possibly let me try it in extreme winds to confirm it's the right call. Your report makes me feel a lot more confident in going for it sooner than later.
Greg recently posted on his instagram a few new methods of killing the power when under load. The one option that looked awesome was just yanking on the yoke and the PW collapses instantly. Other option is to do an A-Line collapse, but just grab a few of the center lines, not all of them.
I have the 1.8M(?) Maliko V1 and had one session in 30-40Knts and it was the most comfortable i've ever been in winds that strong - comparing to winging with 2.2M-2.8M Inflato-wings.
Here's that link for anyone interested in the alternate depower methods:
www.instagram.com/reel/DJXGhScPaYh/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I tried those and they 100% worked for me to get it collapsed vs the traditional backstall method when overpowered. My bigger problem was that when I was in the water I couldn't depower the Ka'a 2.3m enough to get to my feet. So, just totally overcooked. It really sounds like switching to the 1.7m Ka'a is going to be the right call!
Anyone have any experiences to share using the larger kaa and kanaha wings? (5m up)
Select to expand quotemiamiwngr said..
Anyone have any experiences to share using the larger kaa and kanaha wings? (5m up)
Following like to hear too about 5m up but seems to be very little or nonexistent reviews of the larger V2 BRMs for us heavier riders
Select to expand quoteBWalnut said..pitbulldoug said..BWalnut said..
Third session everything clicked. Smaller foils and sinker boards. Gybes, foot switches, everything. Only negative is that the wind came up at the end of my session and I found it impossible to manage the 2.3m ka'a at 40 knots. So, I'll have to sell this one and downsize way sooner than I expected.
Why not just keep it for little lighter days 40 kts on a parawing don't think it's ever going to be as manageable as a wing IMO just saying kinda like kiting in 40 kts is always touch and go and gusty as all hell maybe a smaller kanaha might be a good backup or stick to winging on nuking days I find the PW range is so tight based on my V1 maliko at 100kg just got Ka'a 4.2 but have not had a chance to have a go yet,couldn't fathom parawinging at 40kts hats off for trying
Reasonable question/idea for sure. I'm extremely comfortable with a wing up to close to 40 knots and am still fine with it higher than that but the upwind just sucks so bad when it's over 40+. So, my whole intent of getting the parawing was to use it when it's too much for fun on the wing and just head straight downwind. I didn't realize how hard it would be to control the 2.3m parawing on the extreme high end of things. It's not like a wing where you can depower or flag out easily. At least not from what I experienced. I was even having trouble retracting it and for a second I honestly thought I was going to have to swim back to shore lol! So, if it's up to 35 knots I'd rather be winging but over that I'd like to have a micro parawing for downwind shots.
Hi BW,
Please keep us updated with your PW journey in high winds. Why are you targeting these particular conditions and not lower winds? Is it for the wind swell or for some other reason?
On the inland lake where I ride, it takes >30kts to generate significant wind swell. I'm not sure I can invest in a tiny PW for these rare days, especially if controlling a small PW could be difficult. Perhaps I'm thinking about it wrong - but, I don't see how a PW would be useful where I ride. I wish otherwise. It looks like a great way to go DW'ing.
For me with a 5.5m2 inflatable wing in 30-40 kts, the only thing that I am able to do is to go upwind. That's b/c I use a harness. A trick I learned is to extend my harness line so that I can fly the wing overhead, not quite at 12 but at something like 11:59. It's surprisingly stable and I expect that with a smaller wing would be even more so. I think that's how I'm going to approach DW'ing.
- Stuart
BoardMaverick @ YT
Select to expand quotepitbulldoug said..miamiwngr said..
Anyone have any experiences to share using the larger kaa and kanaha wings? (5m up)
Following like to hear too about 5m up but seems to be very little or nonexistent reviews of the larger V2 BRMs for us heavier riders
I just got my 5.4 Ka'a delivered, went out and tried it in a light breeze on the beach, haven't been on the water yet. Seems as easy to stow and manage as the Flow D-wing 4.2, perhaps even gets a bit smaller when packed. The wingspan seems similar because of the low AR. I'm not even heavy, ~75 kg, but we get a lot of 10-15 knots days where I live with some decent swell that I hope will be far more accessible with this instead of a struggle underpowered on the D-wing. Will report back when I've tried it, but so far I can see no reason not to get a big BRM v2 if you're a big guy (still not sure if I'll find it usable for my purpose), though I would certainly recommend going BRM in these sizes because of how small they stow.
