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Which Quad?

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Created by robbo1111 > 9 months ago, 12 Jul 2011
robbo1111
NSW, 646 posts
12 Jul 2011 11:41AM
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I've decided to step into the modern world and pick up a Quad on my next trip to Maui. I'm 72kgs and ride a 76 litre single and an 83 litre thruster mostly in powered up conditions.
I've read a heap of reviews and am leaning towards a 78 litre Goya or 80 litre OES. The other boards I like are the 83 litre RRD or 85 litre Quatro LS but would they be too big as my smallest board?
I've yet to ride a Quad but common opinion seems to be you can ride 5 litres bigger with no loss of high speed control - is this your experience?
thanks
Steve

AC1
WA, 4 posts
12 Jul 2011 12:04PM
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starboard qaud 74 or 77

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
12 Jul 2011 2:26PM
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+1 for the *board. 77 or 82 might suit considering what you have said in the post above.

I rode a demo 2010 model star quad last year and loved it, was one of those boards I just got on a clicked with straight away.

robbo1111
NSW, 646 posts
12 Jul 2011 2:55PM
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Have read good things about the 2011 starboard quads but I can't get the experience of the twin out of my mind, for some reason it didn't gel with me, seemed like it was stuck to the water??

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
12 Jul 2011 3:05PM
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robbo1111 said...

Have read good things about the 2011 starboard quads but I can't get the experience of the twin out of my mind, for some reason it didn't gel with me, seemed like it was stuck to the water??


I have heard that about the Evil Twin as well, seemed like it wasn't the best. I can say from my experience the 2010 Quad was nothing like that.

I should say, I currently ride JP Twin and have never owned a starboard. But the ride of the quad was really nice.

But if you are going to Maui surely you will get the opportunity to test ride a few boards before making a purchase.

northsail
NSW, 97 posts
12 Jul 2011 4:55PM
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74 JP twinser quad. I am 68kg and the 74 is a good size If it is windy before you leave come up to Toowoon Bay and take mine for a spin. Steve.M is getting a quad in maui also. So we will see lots of new gear at the comps this year.

HAIL
SA, 1160 posts
12 Jul 2011 5:37PM
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i have a 68litre JP twinser quad. favourite board ever. im 70kgs.

rooster
WA, 243 posts
12 Jul 2011 4:40PM
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If in Maui test a few while there. Least you should get a feel for the board in decent conditions.

I have an OES quad and really like it. Pete is in Maui at moment and will do demos there.

Have tried JP too and was ok but, bit small for my light wind board (Im 105kgs).

Plenty of options out there, just need to fit with what style you want.

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
12 Jul 2011 5:20PM
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robbo1111 said...

I've decided to step into the modern world and pick up a Quad on my next trip to Maui.
Steve


Quads are so 2011. I wouldn't be surprised if the Thrusters will dominate the market in the future. Stone has been building Thruster boards for years... I guess he was onto something long before anyone else.

russh
SA, 3027 posts
12 Jul 2011 7:57PM
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stehsegler said...

robbo1111 said...

I've decided to step into the modern world and pick up a Quad on my next trip to Maui.
Steve


Quads are so 2011. I wouldn't be surprised if the Thrusters will dominate the market in the future. Stone has been building Thruster boards for years... I guess he was onto something long before anyone else.


Got a 99 thruster - its a great allrounder but the 82 quad is way better in the surf especialy in tight bottm turns and doesnt slide as unpredictably as my twinnie did off the top and hasnt spun out at all (as yet) on a bottom turn - a problem I found with the 99 thruster. the quad feels like a single when you blast in a straight line (similar to the thruster) but I always felt like I was planing sideways on the twinnie

Only a few knots difference between getting the quad going and riding the thruster - prefer to go the smaller the quad now asthey are very corky as well

I'd definately give the OES a try - one of the local crew has a 2012 88l and it looks the ducks nuts - but maris could probably ride an ironing board with a sail and make it look good on a wave!!!

CJW
NSW, 1726 posts
12 Jul 2011 9:32PM
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Can't believe the Fanatic quad hasn't been mentioned yet! I'm ~72kg and ride an 86L because here in NSW it's often light and I like to get out as often as possible, it's just that touch more floaty than the 79L. It's my 'big board' but it shreds waves harder than my 75L gun down the line single...and i'm not even joking. I've never noticed a control issue (given board size/my weight) but I do tend to sail slightly larger boards so maybe i'm more used to it.

It seems as if everyone bought a Fanatic quad last year because they were everywhere, now you can take two things from this, they were the latest must have 'thing' or they were really that good. Personally I think they really are that good. I don't profess to have experience on a massive range of wave boards, particularly quads but i've never, ever ridden a board that shreds as hard on a wave as the Fanatic quad :)

PS it also looks pimp

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
12 Jul 2011 7:53PM
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second the fanatic quad had the 93 for a while awesome for shredding the living crap out of a wave, just a little to small most of the time

P.C_simpson
WA, 1491 posts
12 Jul 2011 8:58PM
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The Fanatics look pretty good, a few mates have them and talk them up, prob in top 2 for production Quads.. i rode a custom quatro the other day, not too bad, fun on a wave could go into turns at full speed and it would grip, bit of a dog in the lulls, the tail was pretty thin and sunk like a brick, found this on the older model singles aswell..

The Evil twins were good boards, just needed different fins to stop that sticky feeling, dunno about the quads though they just didn't look right..

If you like twins you should stick with them, still heaps of fans of them in W.A, i'm still loving them..

If you cant find a production board you like get a custom..

R1DER
WA, 1471 posts
12 Jul 2011 9:23PM
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robbo1111 said...

I've decided to step into the modern world and pick up a Quad on my next trip to Maui. I'm 72kgs and ride a 76 litre single and an 83 litre thruster mostly in powered up conditions.
I've read a heap of reviews and am leaning towards a 78 litre Goya or 80 litre OES. The other boards I like are the 83 litre RRD or 85 litre Quatro LS but would they be too big as my smallest board?
I've yet to ride a Quad but common opinion seems to be you can ride 5 litres bigger with no loss of high speed control - is this your experience?
thanks
Steve


I see you didn't ask for advice on what board to get, but you asked about quads handling.
I think the 83 and 85 might be a bit on the big side.
I have found with twins and quads yes you can go more volume and there will be no loss of high speed control BUT .... in absolutely nuckin conditions I have felt a bit more bounce in the ride but no where like a single which would start to lift and tail walk, I have a smaller board for nuckin conditions.
Maui will have so many different boards you will be able to hire and try out.

Muppet
WA, 107 posts
13 Jul 2011 12:17AM
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robbo1111 said...

I've decided to step into the modern world and pick up a Quad on my next trip to Maui. I'm 72kgs and ride a 76 litre single and an 83 litre thruster mostly in powered up conditions.
I've read a heap of reviews and am leaning towards a 78 litre Goya or 80 litre OES. The other boards I like are the 83 litre RRD or 85 litre Quatro LS but would they be too big as my smallest board?
I've yet to ride a Quad but common opinion seems to be you can ride 5 litres bigger with no loss of high speed control - is this your experience?
thanks
Steve


I (74kg) purchased a 74 litre Starboard quad IQ after falling in love during a test ride last year. Haven't ridden any other quads and I was dubious about the quad concept being a 'gimmick' but I found I could really bury the rail (often too much) during my bottom turns without spinning out (even when overpowered) and it was still as loose as i wanted it to be on the cutback. It probably does not point upwind or plane as early as a single fin but I find it a pleasure on the wave (and that's why I bought it)! Yes you can afford to go bigger if you want earlier planing or stability, but if you have larger boards to compliment it, then i see no need to go bigger than a 77 litre.
NB! The original starboard quads (prior to IQ) had the larger fins at the front (with no option to reverse the setup) and although I haven't ridden one, i believe that this was a major flaw!
I've also heard/read good things about the Quatro and JP equivalents.

robbo1111
NSW, 646 posts
13 Jul 2011 8:54AM
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ok thanks guys plenty of good options to test

TwinMan
WA, 108 posts
14 Jul 2011 8:18AM
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Stoked with my fanatic 86, check out Boards mag from a few months ago or board seeker on line. They did a big test on most of them and fanatic rated highly. Worth checking Oes though as build quality is exceptional.

da vecta
QLD, 2515 posts
14 Jul 2011 11:00AM
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Is Muppet friends with Elmo?

(sorry if this tricky situation has already been addressed)

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
14 Jul 2011 10:21AM
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TwinMan said...

Stoked with my fanatic 86, check out Boards mag from a few months ago or board seeker on line. They did a big test on most of them and fanatic rated highly. Worth checking Oes though as build quality is exceptional.


yup... the 86 and 93 Fanatic Quad pretty trump all the tests in the wave board categories. They do take a bit more work to get planing but then again it's a wave board.

@jsnfok, thanks for the board mate. Took it out for a spin the other day and it's a great board.

lee1972
QLD, 921 posts
14 Jul 2011 6:59PM
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Just a quick question about tri and quad fin boards. Ive heard there not that great for high wind and bump and jump so i was supised to see that JP's fsw is coming out with a tri fin set up, does anyone just use these board for messy, choppy conditions??

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
14 Jul 2011 5:39PM
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lee1972 said...

Just a quick question about tri and quad fin boards. Ive heard there not that great for high wind and bump and jump so i was supised to see that JP's fsw is coming out with a tri fin set up, does anyone just use these board for messy, choppy conditions??


I don't know what the thinking behind a FSW with a three fin setup is... but you'll find that quiet a number of the thruster and quad board have very narrow and thin tails (eg Fanatic Quad, JP Thruster). I am guessing the narrow tails make up for the extra lift the additional fins provide.

I tried the JP Thruster in both a single fin and three fin setup in overpowered conditions with a small sail. Personally I like the three fin setup better. The board is a lot let forgiving as far as spin outs are concerned.

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
14 Jul 2011 11:34PM
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stehsegler said...

lee1972 said...

Just a quick question about tri and quad fin boards. Ive heard there not that great for high wind and bump and jump so i was supised to see that JP's fsw is coming out with a tri fin set up, does anyone just use these board for messy, choppy conditions??


I don't know what the thinking behind a FSW with a three fin setup is... but you'll find that quiet a number of the thruster and quad board have very narrow and thin tails (eg Fanatic Quad, JP Thruster). I am guessing the narrow tails make up for the extra lift the additional fins provide.

I tried the JP Thruster in both a single fin and three fin setup in overpowered conditions with a small sail. Personally I like the three fin setup better. The board is a lot let forgiving as far as spin outs are concerned.


i got a 107 stoney new school thruster, and love it, really really loose and loads of fun cause theres plenty of grip and when you wanna bust loose you just press the button with your back foot and its slides out predictably

lee1972
QLD, 921 posts
15 Jul 2011 9:28AM
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Are there any benefits of using a tri or quad compared to a single fin for bump and jump conditions choppy, confused high wind mess water states. Im only asking as im starting to think about my sub 100 ltr board thats going to be a good all rounder. Im 70kgs but i dont want anything too small or it would never get used.

qwerty
NSW, 807 posts
15 Jul 2011 1:00PM
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lee1972 said...

Are there any benefits of using a tri or quad compared to a single fin for bump and jump conditions choppy, confused high wind mess water states. Im only asking as im starting to think about my sub 100 ltr board thats going to be a good all rounder. Im 70kgs but i dont want anything too small or it would never get used.


If your main intention is bump and jump sailing, I'd go for a single fin.
They plane quicker, are loose enough, and lighter given there is only 1 fin box.
While multi-fin setups hold their own just fine in high-wind chop, they are purely aimed at performance on the wave.
Also, don't let the multi-fin hype hide the fact that there are still plenty of awesome single fin waveboards on the market (Fanatics rip no matter how many fins). If you are after a true all-rounder, it could be the way to go.

as for my 2 cents on the topic, I have the Fanatic Quad 79 and it's F'ing awesome.
I still have a few single fins too, which I would use in really light on-shore, or blasting around if there is zero surf.


lanky
QLD, 213 posts
15 Jul 2011 5:50PM
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Have tested a few quads and twins on our local lake on windy days including 1 nato fully maxed 4.0 session and the single fin still trumps all for control and speed on the flat. Got the GPS out cause freestyle wasn't going to happen and it's short runs but got 34 on the single couldn't break 30 on the twin.

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
19 Jul 2011 7:25PM
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which quad just placed 1st and 2nd at the PWA event

Full registered production boards.

The 82 is a pretty sick turner - i had a ball doing u turns on mine this summer.

Having said that i do have a Nude twin Chopper 90 in the pipeline...

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
19 Jul 2011 9:47PM
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or instead of just tapping the red thumbs button like a zombie you could say:

Mussolini was doing some of the best moves and turns over the 2 days of competition and was seriously impressive on Tabou boards

Jaeger was doing the sickest turns of the whole comp on a custom thruster - sick enough to let him relax a bit on the jumping front

bring on the next wave of red thumb tap zombies!

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
20 Jul 2011 8:31PM
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i reckon if you had one of each quad, and used one for everytime you went sailing, you wouldnt use all of them..... shame

aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
21 Jul 2011 12:40PM
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robbo1111 said...

Heres the new ones to consider

http://www.star-board.com/2012/news_events/read.php?post_name=starboards-2012-kode-quad-evo-and-flare


that's thrown a spanner in the works
i like the graphics too


I agree, if I were in the market hmmmm the 92 wood is nice.

Maye have to see what the annual work bonus brings.

Reflex Films
WA, 1458 posts
21 Jul 2011 12:03PM
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and to make it even more confusing -after all the boards i have ridden -the Kode 80 (which holds its same shape) is still my favourite all rounder.

So fast and so safe / grippy in bottom turns. Super safe in cross off lifter aerial conditions - probably the safest board i have ever ridden in terms of getting clean projection out of the lip and out onto the flats. Will do tail slides nicely - but you gotta push.

-my absolute #1 choice for margs

But you have to be over 80 kg to really throw it around

For Places like corros , winter Perth sailing, summer scarbs small NW desert etc etc the twins and quads really seem to come into their own. its all very confusing really.

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
21 Jul 2011 1:22PM
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Reflex Films said...
For Places like corros , ... the twins and quads really seem to come into their own.


Given that the person that seems to be dominating Corros is riding a Thruster your statement is obviously wrong.



As for Quads:

Pros: most drive through turns of any board style currently available

Cons: too much drag when free sailing

After having used Twins, Thrusters and Quads I'd say if it has to be one of those:

Twins: If you like to do lots of tail slides

Quad: If you primarily sail in down the line waves and want to maximise your fun.

Thruster: If you need an all rounder because you sometimes might also want to do some free sailing or onshore wave sailing (do we actually have that in Australia?)



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