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Done and Dusted - Oakagee in... Spot X out

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Created by WindWarrior > 9 months ago, 21 May 2009
WindWarrior
NSW, 1019 posts
21 May 2009 10:18PM
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Prime Minister Kevin Rudd says the development of Oakagee deep water port near the Western Australian town of Geraldton is an important part of rebuilding Australia's economic prosperity.

Last month the Commonwealth committed more than $300 million to the develop the project.

Mr Rudd, who is visiting the Geraldton today with Western Australian Premier Colin Barnett, says it is an important development for the state and the rest of the nation.

"I think the whole nation should pause for a moment and reflect on where this great project takes not just the great state of Western Australia, Australia itself in the decades ahead," he said.

"So we are proud to be co-investors with the WA Government."


hoop
1979 posts
21 May 2009 8:42PM
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Bugger off Kevin. You're a wanker and I never voted for you.

moosup
NSW, 23 posts
22 May 2009 9:04AM
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un australian . PM is a shame to us all.

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
22 May 2009 7:48AM
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as I said before and I'll say it again... these days it doesn't seem to matter who is in government, when it comes to corporate profits they are all the same.

Personally I can't believe he actually said that...

... I had great hopes for Kevin 07. But so far he seems to be wrecking up a track record or becoming the worst prime minister in Australian history.

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
22 May 2009 8:02AM
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just had another thought... now might be the right time to get the media involved to create public awareness of what's happening.

Issues that come to mind:

- how will this development impact the environment
- how will it impact the lobster industry
- was the purchase of the land and planning of the project all sound (and legal)
- to what level is this and Australian project vs a project owned by a foreign corporation
- what will the impact on local tourism be

WINDY MILLER
WA, 3183 posts
22 May 2009 9:44AM
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stehsegler said...

just had another thought... now might be the right time to get the media involved to create public awareness of what's happening.

Issues that come to mind:

- how will this development impact the environment
- how will it impact the lobster industry
- was the purchase of the land and planning of the project all sound (and legal)
- to what level is this and Australian project vs a project owned by a foreign corporation
- what will the impact on local tourism be



If only Charles Bud Tingwell was still here; to fight the case for dincum aussie bloke.
RIP

grumplestiltskin
WA, 2331 posts
22 May 2009 10:54AM
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Wonder if anyones staked a mining claim on that area??

Doesn't a mining claim override any other claim to ownership etc??




Just a thought

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
22 May 2009 10:58AM
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Kevin 07...... Blows in and blowed out .............. Oh it was to windy and wild to be bothered to visit the site , it would have been a perfect opertunity to see the power and wild storm plus huge huge huge logistical task of developing such a location and see the swell pownding the area of the proposed safe nucular ? deep water port.


All Barnett and Rudd did was hold hands at the port authority balcony in town just pissing in the 20-30knots wind for 10 mins looking at the Geraldton harbour watching a boat smashing up against the break wall.

Things to come ??????????? More than likely

The Communitys pristine back yard will eventually turn to a grave yard.
Where the hell is Peter Garrett ...........what a kevin dud.

The staged.........media releases building it up /talking it up / and one liners about this development go on.

PS all on the back of the fact they BARNETT / DUD FAILED TO TELL EVERYONE THEY CARNT EVEN GET THE POWER REQUIREMENTS THERE.????????????

Like backing a flogged horse .......... you want to have deep pockets to through money at it.

The location stinks and so is the fact your tax payer dollars are paying for the idea to export everything to china for them to stock pile ?

stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
22 May 2009 3:30PM
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don't get me started on Peter Garrett... nothing against midnight oil ... I love their music but in my book he is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. I sometimes wonder how he can seriously still stand behind the lyrics he wrote not so long ago while he now supports a government (as the minister for environment none the less) that has back flipped on every single environmental election promise.

... now getting off my soapbox.

firiebob
WA, 3172 posts
22 May 2009 4:08PM
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Garrett has always been a complete FW, his only claim to fame is he can sing, woopie doo da bloody day. And I bet Rudd would have been the sort of kid every one wanted to smack around the ear hole, cos I do. But I digress, sorry.

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
22 May 2009 5:12PM
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Agree with most of the above, but it seems like a done deal.

So of the 1500km (?) or so of windy coastline north of Perth what percentage has reasonable access for wind/kite surfing? How much of it has never been checked out? Any estimates?

moosup
NSW, 23 posts
22 May 2009 7:43PM
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enviromental rape no going back once its done **** sticks have good hard look at ur self krudd

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
22 May 2009 5:57PM
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Environment wise the earth is better off burning uranium rather than coal. Wasn't it practical to rail it down to an existing port and ship it out from there?

FormulaNova
WA, 15084 posts
22 May 2009 7:54PM
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stehsegler said...

don't get me started on Peter Garrett... nothing against midnight oil ... I love their music but in my book he is the biggest hypocrite on the planet. I sometimes wonder how he can seriously still stand behind the lyrics he wrote not so long ago while he now supports a government (as the minister for environment none the less) that has back flipped on every single environmental election promise.

... now getting off my soapbox.


I think this is a pretty good example of how different something can look at from different sides. I don't think he has changed his principles, but he has to now deal with a lot of conflicting objectives. Things that he wouldn't have had to deal with when he was just arguing against something.

As far as I know he is loaded so there is no real reason for him to be in politics other than to try and help the environment.

He was so strongly involved in environmental issues, that I just can't see him turning his back on his beliefs.

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
22 May 2009 10:37PM
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i agree formulanova.

the media releases when he went from the greens to labor was that he did it so he had more of a chance of making a difference.

Ian K
WA, 4155 posts
22 May 2009 10:00PM
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Yes agreed, it's a big machine with a lot of momentum, can't be made to do a U turn. I guess he's able to give it a calculated little nudge left or right. Maybe he has an ace up his sleeve for when the time is right.

I was impressed with the clip I saw of the recent bushfire benefit concert. Lack of practice hasn't taken the edge off the old Rock 'n' Roller.

gunna
SA, 162 posts
22 May 2009 11:55PM
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Rudd and co came to sth aus for a group session with Rann and co to announce extra 100mill to double capacity of proposed desalinator,twice as much brine into the gulf which all enviromental studies state has potential to severly impact on marine enviroment.The gulf doesnt have massive water movement,unlike sthn ocean--possibly better site.

Our state gov is ignoring enviromental studies and rudd is chipping in for applause too.
Politicians should be held criminally responsible if they f#%^ up badly..
..if i chop down a tree with a metre girth i will be fined heavily

..if rudd and ranns desalinator destroys part of our gulf they should be criminally responsible....this would make them nut the problem through first and come up with plausible solutions..

Rudd is becoming a pain Aus wide,,,he and Rann are very good spin doctors.
20-30knts all weekend here

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
23 May 2009 2:14AM
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hoop said...

Bugger off Kevin. You're a wanker and I never voted for you.


Yeah, and you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who did.

gazza
WA, 647 posts
23 May 2009 8:26AM
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hoop said...

Bugger off Kevin. You're a wanker and I never voted for you.


its always the same, 8-12 years for liberal to save up the money and 17 months for Dudd to spend it

You would have had to be blind or very gullible to not see he was full of **** before he was elected

i wonder what its going to be like for "The working Australians" for the next 10 years paying back all this debt i hope you all bought something nice with the $900 bucks to remind yourself of Duddy

Hes just a very good salesman selling expensive crappy products that will bite him in the arse at the next election

cant wait for the next election to see the back of him!!!


asdmuzak
SA, 285 posts
25 May 2009 1:32PM
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Oz needs a political assassination,
when it gets terminal i'll sort it out.

FormulaNova
WA, 15084 posts
25 May 2009 6:18PM
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gazza said...

hoop said...

Bugger off Kevin. You're a wanker and I never voted for you.


its always the same, 8-12 years for liberal to save up the money and 17 months for Dudd to spend it

You would have had to be blind or very gullible to not see he was full of **** before he was elected

i wonder what its going to be like for "The working Australians" for the next 10 years paying back all this debt i hope you all bought something nice with the $900 bucks to remind yourself of Duddy

Hes just a very good salesman selling expensive crappy products that will bite him in the arse at the next election

cant wait for the next election to see the back of him!!!





Are you guys aware of what is happening to other economies around the world? Do you realize that we aren't immune from what other economies do? Some places are suffering pretty badly.

The Liberal party might be making a big song and dance about spending at the moment, but any political party worth electing knows that the only way to cushion the impact of the global recession is to spend. You can guarantee that they would do the same thing if they were in power (well at least I hope so).

I don't mind that we will be paying off the debt this creates for the next ten years. I prefer having to do that than sitting on the dole for the next 2 years. I would rather everyone have a job and do it tough for a while than some people having a job and others losing a lot.

It is an interesting point you make about the Liberal party 'saving money', and the Labor party spending it. Do you realize 'how' they save that money?

FWIW I didn't get $900, but I can see how giving it to a lot of people is at least an attempt to stimulate spending. Much better than keeping it in the bank.

Anyhow isn't politics verboten from the forum? Let's discuss religion instead...




stehsegler
WA, 3542 posts
25 May 2009 6:30PM
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FormulaNova said...
... worth electing knows that the only way to cushion the impact of the global recession is to spend. You can guarantee that they would do the same thing if they were in power (well at least I hope so).


just keep drinking that cool aid the politicians are feeing you...


Anyhow isn't politics verboten from the forum? Let's discuss religion instead...


Sadly when you are talking about a major project like Oakagee you have to talk politics...

FormulaNova
WA, 15084 posts
25 May 2009 6:46PM
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stehsegler said...

FormulaNova said...
... worth electing knows that the only way to cushion the impact of the global recession is to spend. You can guarantee that they would do the same thing if they were in power (well at least I hope so).


just keep drinking that cool aid the politicians are feeing you...


Anyhow isn't politics verboten from the forum? Let's discuss religion instead...


Sadly when you are talking about a major project like Oakagee you have to talk politics...




It's Kool-Aid they are selling me! Mmmm raspberry!

I would be interested to hear other ways of dealing with a global recession though.

I think Oakagee would happen regardless of which political party was in power (except maybe the Greens). There is just too much money at stake. I agree that it's a shame that they didn't pick a spot that wasn't a good sailing spot.

Substitute any major political party and there would be no difference.

It's good to see though that no one here has claimed yet that Labor has created the recession

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
25 May 2009 8:54PM
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first we had the recession we had to have.

now we have the recession we weren't supposed to have.



hoop
1979 posts
25 May 2009 8:28PM
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If you fell for a crap slogan like "Kevin 07" and you thought a stunted little half man that looks like Tintin was a good guy for Prime minister and you voted accordingly. You can't really complain now can you ?

Gestalt
QLD, 14627 posts
25 May 2009 11:05PM
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not being up to speed with WA politics or locations why was it that spot X was choosen?

russh
SA, 3027 posts
25 May 2009 11:37PM
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hoop said...

If you fell for a crap slogan like "Kevin 07" and you thought a stunted little half man that looks like Tintin was a good guy for Prime minister and you voted accordingly. You can't really complain now can you ?


Krudd was even telling the gold coasters not to go surfing on Sunday cause it was "big and dangerous" - the most dangerous thing Krudd has ever done was to be photographed without access to his hairdryer. Bet he's got a handshake like a bunch of soggy celery - the mans a freaking joke.

I enjoyed the 900 bucks Krudd gave me but won't enjoy the tax pain it's going to cause us for the next ten years - Jokagee - mindless bastards - what will we do when we run out of minerals - we don't make anything anymore, haven't got a sewing machine left in the country - couldn't put crystal radio set together and can't even manufacture products from the minerals we take out of the ground cause our multi national companies say it costs too much to pay fair wages to australians and meet some pretty shabby environmental standards - so get it made in china - the savings will cover the 20% of recalls cause they make sh**T - take mattel that fed our kids lead paint in 2006 on the cars, the baby milk scandels that killed children etc . we sell LPG to japan for something like 10 dollars a mega litre and pay 32 dollars to fill a 9kg gas bottle so we can BBQ some meat - thank god that was grown in Australia and then we drink beer from some foreign owned brewery. Something just isn't quite right in our backyard

what thery're doing to that spot really pisses me off - and I can imagine you local boys and girls are breathin fire!!

It's ok I will take my medication now

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
26 May 2009 1:39PM
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Your invited

See you there under the big top

AUSTRALIAN WAVESAILING NATIONALS 2010
SPOT X OAKAGEE GERALDTON JAN 11 TO 18TH


Marvin
WA, 725 posts
26 May 2009 6:40PM
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Lets hope it doesn't stuff up Corro as well.

The WA EPA in its 2007 Environmental Review and Management Programme review (see http://www.epa.wa.gov.au/docs/829_B866.pdf) stated at Section 3.14 (p 25) that (my underlining):

'... a computer modelling study of the potential impacts on the wave breaks (MP Rogers and Associates 1997b) ...indicated that Spot X would be lost as a recreational area for windsurfers under the northern port option, however, the wave breaks at Coronation Beach would not be affected.'

I wonder how this can be if Oakajee affects the sand movement into the Coronation Beach area? Wouldn't it work to scour the sand out of the Corro area?

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
28 May 2009 1:58PM
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OK G Yes this will become completely back filled, min 1KM Squared. and a break wall /groyne will have to be at least....... you would be estimating 10 m wide x 5 to 10 meters hight to the southof this picture approx 1km
AND extend out through and past the waves approx 1km.

Dont quote me but i believe for every 10meters of groyne 100meters of coast the other side is effected (erodided).

Wild concept considering your looking at this picture with a south easterly blowing 15 knots before the 25 knot southerly side shore seabreeze hits from 10am till ............................dark plussssssss some.

Water current varries on the tides but is broken up by the reef gutters... but moves left to right to the channel ,

It always stays smooth with no chop dispite the wind strengh for the day

The lines of swell out the back are 3 to 4 meters Solid 3/4 mast high which wraps in then ,spits chucks and throws 5 times after reforming over the entire 1km swell ride , with the last section putting you just short of the beachie.

Take your pick sail through the guts and get upto 5 massive jumps or cruise the outside via the channel avoiding all white water.

Theres a **** load of wave energy and water movement with in the entire area, approx of 2km x 2km,

Farther south of this photo the waves still pound the out side reef.

Right of this photo is Coronation beach park (guessing 2km North as the crow flys ).
Great for a down winder or to sail from

Only god knows the out come ,but it sure going to change.
He wont let us miss out

Good times are still alive and well ,i say get it while you can



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