I'm not a fan of the Delta weed fins. I use one but don't feel particularly comfortable on it. In saying that, they do certainly suit the very weedy locations where I sometimes sail. I also have Black Project weed fins but find their rake is not enough to get going from a standing start whilst in the middle of a weed clump. Great for Lake George but not good enough for Peel st in Budgewoi Lake or Canton for that matter.
My question is what other brands are there that offer a similar type rake to the Deltas? I'm looking for something to suit a speed board.
Cheers 
Vector speed weed works for me., I have the 25cm and it's perfect for my starboard 49cm wide speed board time using it I crack a PB and broke the 40knt barrier
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rexy mxr did this one for bushi for primbee but the weed didn't come in this year , I understand its a ufo boxed at 50deg
Hey Andrew
The depth is also a issue at Peely I have a 23cm delta and it sometimes scraps the bottom!
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Hey Andrew
The depth is also a issue at Peely I have a 23cm delta and it sometimes scraps the bottom!
hey matt have you weighed that fin 
The solution is a Keef special awesomeness fin. But the challenge is getting your hands on one. You might have seen how my attempts to acquire one turned out 
you should have been a bit quicker last Thursday arvo nic when you checked out my van at primbee,might just pop out now and do a quick count of my fins
should get down to primbee more often some have been known to drive home leaving fins to grow in the grass!!!!!
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The solution is a Keef special awesomeness fin. But the challenge is getting your hands on one. You might have seen how my attempts to acquire one turned out
Unfortunately the fin Keef made me snapped clean off at the base the second time I used it.
sorry rexy I can't help myself i'm a practical joker, it was suppose to snap the first run
I have been selling lots of deltas to the peel st guys , we sailed last sunday and it was awesome , the 19 delta is a great fin and its a little thicker in the foil than the slalom and speed , maybe that would suit you better , the 19 delta has done just under 40 knots a peel st and is rock solid , all the speeds on sunday where on delta fins , i have also used mine on queens lake and it out pointed all the other fins , i had the 18 speed and it wasnt as good but other guys love the speed version .
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, the 19 delta is a great fin and its a little thicker in the foil than the slalom and speed , maybe that would suit you better ,
surprise surprise surprise how long has it taken them to figure that out , the original deltas were to thin
now all they need to do is lift the rake to 50 deg or 47 and there on the money
I brought some a few years back and from day one I lifted the rake , from day two I beefed up the foil and did a mould ,
after that end of story , heeps of back foot pressure off the wind in chop and the fins have done 40knts
Keef, it cracked first run, tried to repair it but snapped clean second run.
Mark, I have the 20cm I bought from you earlier in the year. Maybe it's a tad too big for my boards, a Falcon 89 and (probably stupidly) a Naish SP60 (not that I have tried it in that yet). I'll grab an 18 or 19 from Mick next time I see him and give that a go. I just found little confidence when sailing with them. Awful to gybe and also a tendency to just let go when broad reaching
I was there on Sunday and I dont own a Delta. Had no problems with my hand shaped fins, rock solid and fast.
Personal preference, they obviously work. Never tried one so I cant compare. Mick has been wanting me to try one for awhile.
Select to expand quotekeef said... aussieboats said...
, the 19 delta is a great fin and its a little thicker in the foil than the slalom and speed , maybe that would suit you better ,
surprise surprise surprise how long has it taken them to figure that out , the original deltas were to thin now all they need to do is lift the rake to 50 deg or 47 and there on the money
I brought some a few years back and from day one I lifted the rake , from day two I beefed up the foil and did a mould ,
after that end of story , heeps of back foot pressure off the wind in chop and the fins have done 40knts
Yes, the fin manufacturers idea of a weed fin differs greatly from what we expect. Hence the reason some people have turned to making them themselves. But some are getting the idea by the looks of the mxr ufo.
Wouldn't mind hearing some feedback on the gun sails fins too.
there was another thread a while back on the same subject, I haven't seen the thicker deltas so its hard to comment , what I find is the deltas still have to much rake for the modern slalom boards e,g the excocet 90lt is 420 wide 300 from the tail, where my old ca94lt is 360cm , the ufo 20cm 50deg will give you more lift and stability over chop and still enough rake to go through some heavy weed as well as get into shallow water
now that most fin companies have sorted out the shallow water maybe the board companies need to bring out shallow water boards ,
the mistral speed is the closest I have seen so far with there deep tuttle fin box , giving you some nice volume through to the narrower tail , they seam to have the volume sorted for sail to fin ratio , to be honest I cant see any advantage in having a wide thin board for shallow water sailing
hey, my advice would be to stick with the deltas, they get better with practise, I've been on them about six months, i actually had one a few yrs ago, used it once in semi flat, and thought, this fin sux, but as i said I've been back on then for about six months, gone from sliding and letting go a lot, to nearly no problems anymore, we have got alpha, speed hr pbs on them
totally agree keef, i think a smart board manufacture has a real opportunity to tap into the gps market, and start designing boards soley for deltas, a narrower less thick tail for starters, since you want the delta making a tight connection with the bottom of the board, you could pretty much have it as a permanent part of the board, even retractable to offer a few sizes for the one board
fins, the jps go well at canton, and the 26wave weed is a thick foil, smallish fin that seems to get overlooked as a performance fin
you got keef, making good custom fins, ha, your trademark should be
"UGLY FINS................THAT PERFORM BEAUTIFULLY!"
you also got Fergie up here, great looking fins, that perform well
Bryon, hugh, greg, they use his fins at peely, and his fins have gone over fourty
he will definitely make you one for about 200
but i would recommend sticking with the deltas, there good, they just require a few adjustments in sailing technique, that will come innately after a couple of sessions
Greg Fergo showed me one of his carbon deltas on the weekend. Its a work of art and very well thought out. The leading edge is made of some sort of material that is very tough, so won't wear down as quickly from sand or weed. The fin has a good foil. The fin weighs less than half a corresponding MUF delta weighs.
there's one thing you should check with a delta , make sure that's make sure and double check to make sure that your delta fin isn't dropping down into the back of the fin box , if it is, what it does is lifts the front up and there will be a gap at the tip of the fin and board , I don't have any foam between the board and the fin, basically its going to come off at some stage so you may aswell remove it when you first get it ,and do what you need to do to fit the board without it
Fregie is a complete gun tradesman, the finished product is beautiful, and works well, his workshop is just so professional looking,
ha, the only reason he isn't celebrated more within the windsurfing community is because he doesn't do the level of self promoting as others
next time you come up, you can look/try his fins, guarantee they wont break first run, and you wont have to act weird, if you wanna do business, then just do business, no weird grovelling, eg, you wont have to create a thread to kissing his arse
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Fregie is a complete gun tradesman, the finished product is beautiful, and works well, his workshop is just so professional looking,
ha, the only reason he isn't celebrated more within the windsurfing community is because he doesn't do the level of self promoting as others
next time you come up, you can look/try his fins, guarantee they wont break first run, and you wont have to act weird, if you wanna do business, then just do business, no weird grovelling, eg, you wont have to create a thread to kissing his arse
get it rite milsy that was the second , that was the second run
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Ha, i was going to delete that,,,,,,,your a good sport Keef,
yer not sure what went wrong there , it was a reboxed torque , I routed out one side and filled it with carbon then re foiled it , maybe the carbon inlay separated from the original,
I wouldn't have been surprised if the boxing bog cracked but he said it snapped clean across at the box , so that's why i'm surprised the g10 and carbon snapped
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and you wont have to act weird, if you wanna do business, then just do business, no weird grovelling, eg, you wont have to create a thread to kissing his arse
No ass kissing? A simple cash transaction? Wow!!
It's just that rake, and the thickness, and the stainless leading edge, and the carbon construction, so light, and the colour matching... mmmmm... 
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I use Vector 19 21 23 Speed Weed.
I doubt you'd get away with using them at Peel st or even Canton though Rick. Have you tried yet?
oh yeah, we would love you to come to peely Aus4, bryon has broken forty, but he hasn't really sailed it much, so the potential for speed is gnormous
glen merrit sailed peely on his way to lake george, in retrospect he said peely was flattest, the negative is strong wind, we dont get much, and thats why primbee is better, it gets stronger wind, pretty flat,,,,,,, peely, average wind, very flat,
ha, needsalt, keefs fins are sweet! and warrant some butt kissing,,,,,,we would love to see you at peely too, ha, don't give up on becoming an awesome sailor, just keep enjoying it,
the few skills I've got, have been forged very very very slowly, hey, theres no time keeping on the path to perfection
ps I love horses!, Quarter horses are my favorite, just a majestic, noble creature.........................unlike fin makers
Select to expand quotekeef said... Milsy said...
Fregie is a complete gun tradesman, the finished product is beautiful, and works well, his workshop is just so professional looking,
ha, the only reason he isn't celebrated more within the windsurfing community is because he doesn't do the level of self promoting as others
next time you come up, you can look/try his fins, guarantee they wont break first run, and you wont have to act weird, if you wanna do business, then just do business, no weird grovelling, eg, you wont have to create a thread to kissing his arse
get it rite milsy that was the second , that was the second run
hey milsy I was diagnosed with Aspergers early , have you had a check up lately
Select to expand quotesick_em_rex said... AUS4 said...
I use Vector 19 21 23 Speed Weed.
I doubt you'd get away with using them at Peel st or even Canton though Rick. Have you tried yet?
i have been to Canton twice and they were excellent. I won't use them were I would drag them on the bottom all day though.
Select to expand quotekeef said... Milsy said...
Fregie is a complete gun tradesman, the finished product is beautiful, and works well, his workshop is just so professional looking,
ha, the only reason he isn't celebrated more within the windsurfing community is because he doesn't do the level of self promoting as others
next time you come up, you can look/try his fins, guarantee they wont break first run, and you wont have to act weird, if you wanna do business, then just do business, no weird grovelling, eg, you wont have to create a thread to kissing his arse
hey milsy i'm not having a go at ya mate but it sounds like your glass is almost empty I have seen pictures of fregie's stuff and it look professional, and its great that he's developing a leading edge that wont wear in the conditions we sail
on the other hand I don't see him sharing with the windsurfing community
I have stuck a lot of do it your self stuff on this site and 90% guy's with an empty glass will red thumb it and call it crap, the other 10% with a full glass will say 90% of it is crap but green thumb the 10% and run with it
my next thread will be a video on resin infusion , www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/another-fin/
you can line the mold with anything you choose to prevent wear, the mold is also layed up dry and the resin pumped through , it's a fool proof way for anyone to make a fin , for the knockers they don't have to watch it , for the guys that want take on board the positives and negatives maybe they can share with us all and end up with a better finished product
call it, self indulgent , or self promoting, or maybe you can come up with a few more negative words , but what I call it is unselfish sharing of hr's and hr's of trial and era and saving someone elese costly fu-kup's , for me I like to around positive people , have a good day
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AUS4 said...
I use Vector 19 21 23 Speed Weed.
I doubt you'd get away with using them at Peel st or even Canton though Rick. Have you tried yet?
i have been to Canton twice and they were excellent. I won't use them were I would drag them on the bottom all day though.
hey rick what you need is something on the leading edge that wont stuff those beautiful fins up
