Are they stiffer carbon fins or what?
I'm looking at a makani halalua for the falcon but not sure if they would be low twist?
Erring towards these mainly because I like it in my larger freemove board and they are pretty cheap ( $ 216 including postage).
www.makanifins.com/collections/windsurfing-weed-fins/products/hahalua-v2-weed-freerace-1?variant=786471393
Also maybe vector slalom weedies
All about 34cms . I need a forgiving fin that doesn't need a PWA sailor to use..goes well upwind and hangs on in chop. I'll be using it in 10-18kts patchy wind off Coal pt. There can be 400m of 10-15kts ( underpowered) to get across then can be maxed out conditions on the other side. Chop is from 1-3' and smoother going out but steeper coming back. 7m sail with 89 falcon.
Don't buy a fin because it is cheap, buy it because it is the right fin for your board and your intended use and purpose. The fin is the most crucial part of performance and here you are wanting to compromise on that aspect because of price. Save your money until you can afford a fin that is right otherwise you are doing yourself and your board a disservice. Tribals and Black Project Type R's or the newer Sabre and Hammer GT's work very well in Falcon's.
Agree with Rex. Buy a fin because you know it works, not because its cheap. Black Project make good value, good quality G10 fins that are proven to work, particularly the R series. I'm sure other sailors would say the same thing about Vector and Tribal fins.
Talk to Mark Jordan about Black Project fins. They're the only fin I use.... I love them. I replied earlier, but deleted my post when I realised you were after a weedy. Anyway, the RS is a top fin... has some nice tip flex, points upwind well, is slippery off the wind and produces heaps of lift so you can go one size smaller than usual. Great fin in chop. As for weedies, I imagine Black Project does a good one of those too. They're not too expensive, but like Andrew says, don't skimp on fins. You'll just end up with crap. Save a few bob and get a BP Weedie.
Sue , i have plenty of fins that will work in your gear , you just need to commit and buy the right fins and get used to them , Black project weed fins are the easiest fins to use and will work well in all conditions , Boombuster only uses Black project weed fins and has pushed them over 40 knots on many occasions and that is all he will use , except the Delta fins when at budgy
Main reason I was considering Makani was that I'm very happy with the 38cms one - goes upwind great and handles chop no spinout and they are my main criteria -control.Speed not that important as will be out in chop and less than 18kts wind. They are also cheap.Only worry is will it work in the slalom board.
Maybe check out black projects.
I've just got a black projects type r 40cm and it seems to have a very thick foil shape. It didn't seem to flex nor twist and therefore has little feel. I've only used it once but why are they so fat?
Hiya Sue,
You are getting great advice, take advantage of it. Its great asking lots of questions but sometimes its best to bite the bullet and spend your money on a top notch fin (or other bit of kit) instead of umming and aahing or going the cheap path and being disappointed. Like other topics there are people trying to help you. Deciding what to buy is very hard in windsurfing especially when you are participating in one of the more challenging aspects doing GPS sailing. go with what you are advised.
Mark J makes a great point.
Cheers,
Larko.
Hello Sue, Why pay retail? I have picked up many Black project fins on Seabreeze for around $100 second hand. The fin doesn't know it's second hand and they work just as well as new ones i have bought. You just have to wait for them to come up for sale, then pounce. Pounce quickly.
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I've just got a black projects type r 40cm and it seems to have a very thick foil shape. It didn't seem to flex nor twist and therefore has little feel. I've only used it once but why are they so fat?
Is the type r a weedy? If so no flex is good, any flex in a weedy is just drag, twist is even worse. It's much better to put up with that stiff feeling than to be wallowing.
Fat allows greater angle of attack, so you can get the same lift from a smaller fin, this is good in weed, the more fin in the weed the more the drag.
And the thicker it is the less flex or twist.
Thin, high aspect, vertical fins are great in deep (choppy) clear water.
Thanks, it's actually not a weedy. But I'm using it in clear, deep choppy water. I see what you mean. Maybe the R might be better in flatter shallow water.
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Thanks, it's actually not a weedy. But I'm using it in clear, deep choppy water. I see what you mean. Maybe the R might be better in flatter shallow water.
No, the Typer R is very much a fin designed for choppy waters. It is a slalom and course racing fin. Designed and tested mainly in Hawaii where there is basically no flat water. What board are you using it in?
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AHD SL2 122 l 76cm wide.
40 could be a bit small for a 76cm board?
What do you mean by it has very little feel?
The Type R and RS are both designed for rough water slalom. I believe the Type R is more for figure 8, while the RS is more downwind slalom. They're the best G10 fins I've used hence why I have a whole quiver of them.
So if I want a black project fin 35cm odd for Coal Pt ( floating seagrass) and Canton / deeper Budgy what sort do I need? Upwind and control most important factors.
I'm a lightweight but like to feel secure re no spinout.
Firstly weedspeed fins are not as secure as pointers, no mater how well they are designed and made. They require a adjustment in technique which involves bearing away and gaining good speed before loading up the backfoot and pionting. Even doing this, you will be more prone to spin outs, particularly in confused chop. I prefer to use pointers. I only use weedspeeds when clearing seagrass from my fin is more of a pain than spinning out.
For floating seagrass for Coal point i would use the Weedspeed 40. I haven't used the 50 so can't comment. Size would depend on sail size. I use the following guide
7.9m2 sail - BP WS 42
7.1m2 sail - BP WS 38
6.3m2 sail - BP WS 34
For Budgy, I've got no idea
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Firstly weedspeed fins are not as secure as pointers, no mater how well they are designed and made. They require a adjustment in technique which involves bearing away and gaining good speed before loading up the backfoot and pionting. Even doing this, you will be more prone to spin outs, particularly in confused chop. I prefer to use pointers. I only use weedspeeds when clearing seagrass from my fin is more of a pain than spinning out.
For floating seagrass for Coal point i would use the Weedspeed 40. I haven't used the 50 so can't comment. Size would depend on sail size. I use the following guide
7.9m2 sail - BP WS 42
7.1m2 sail - BP WS 38
6.3m2 sail - BP WS 34
For Budgy, I've got no idea
So what brand are weed speeds?
Sorry if this has been answered I've got a headcold and not really with it.. I meant to delete a few of my PM's and just deleted all of them..grr 
hey sue u can try my 33 tribal weedy I got it for 7m sails, works fine off coaly & the islands the
dozen times ive used it, b to big for budgie, I also got 25 tribal weedy for little sails.
kisssshhhhh--ka--PARTY.....he was using a bkack project 40 degree at canton the other day......he came in and changed to the jp36 45 degree......
looking at his set up, same size board as me but he had the black project on and i had the ol krusty jp36.....my speeds were a bit better than his at canton plus he changed becuase of picking up to much weed
the bp 40degrees look great...but i dont think there another rake for canton and deep budgy
there is way more weed than the average sailor sails in at these spots....
for your 89l the jp wave weed 26 would be no probs...thick foil
i use it all the time in the 99l with a 7m speeds of about 36...
those fins you were looking at look alright as well...depending on rake...
Mm I was all set to get a 34 BP but if they don't have enough rake for Canton then it will be useless...I've used the Halalua at canton and Budgy and it works..Thanks for the offer Rus but they don't work at Canton and I need a a fin to do both LM + Canton and maybe deeper Budgy.
My 25cm tribal works well at Budgy when its deeper and with the < 6m sails.
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Firstly weedspeed fins are not as secure as pointers, no mater how well they are designed and made. They require a adjustment in technique which involves bearing away and gaining good speed before loading up the backfoot and pionting. Even doing this, you will be more prone to spin outs, particularly in confused chop. I prefer to use pointers. I only use weedspeeds when clearing seagrass from my fin is more of a pain than spinning out.
For floating seagrass for Coal point i would use the Weedspeed 40. I haven't used the 50 so can't comment. Size would depend on sail size. I use the following guide
7.9m2 sail - BP WS 42
7.1m2 sail - BP WS 38
6.3m2 sail - BP WS 34
For Budgy, I've got no idea
So what brand are weed speeds?
Sorry if this has been answered I've got a headcold and not really with it.. I meant to delete a few of my PM's and just deleted all of them..grr
BP is short for Black Project.
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Firstly weedspeed fins are not as secure as pointers, no mater how well they are designed and made. They require a adjustment in technique which involves bearing away and gaining good speed before loading up the backfoot and pionting. Even doing this, you will be more prone to spin outs, particularly in confused chop. I prefer to use pointers. I only use weedspeeds when clearing seagrass from my fin is more of a pain than spinning out.
For floating seagrass for Coal point i would use the Weedspeed 40. I haven't used the 50 so can't comment. Size would depend on sail size. I use the following guide
7.9m2 sail - BP WS 42
7.1m2 sail - BP WS 38
6.3m2 sail - BP WS 34
For Budgy, I've got no idea
So what brand are weed speeds?
Sorry if this has been answered I've got a headcold and not really with it.. I meant to delete a few of my PM's and just deleted all of them..grr
BP is short for Black Project.
Thanks.. 
Size is only one aspect you need to consider. The other is rake. Rake varies between 40 deg and 50 deg. The more rake the less secure the fin feels, but the easier it sheds weed. It looks like you will need something closer to the 50 deg rake, eg the Black project 50 deg weed speed. I haven't used these fins, but other NSW sailors have (eg Sick em Rex). Check out the following URLs for the 40 deg and 50 deg BP WS. Contact Mark Jordan re cost and availability. http://www.blackprojectfins.com/windsurf-fins/windsurf-fins/weedspeed/
www.blackprojectfins.com/windsurf-fins/windsurf-fins/weedspeed-50-degrees-slalom-gps-speed-windsurfing-fin-for-weed-shallow-water/
Thanks everyone..I read up on the weedspeed and they say they are maximised for broad reaches etc . As I want something for upwind and chop handling I think I'll go for the makani. I also know how they go as I have a 38cms one.
This is just a short term option as I intend to get another freeride 90ltre for chop next season so then I probably won't have a use for the fin.I'll be using a delta for flatwater at budgy and keep the falcon for the flatwater.
When I upgrade my gear in a year or so I'll take a closer look at the BP's and will also try a few in the next few months to see what I think.
they will work with more speed, they are 42 rake at the base & gose to 45 dwn the fin.
flying objects weedy is 45 the whole length & cheap 2nd hand, I hav used that at budgie.
Just bought the makani $153 shipped- 33cms. It maybe not the bees knees but will do the job until I can upgrade more of my gear.I'll then suss out the BP's more.
Makani are having a special on till the end of Easter.
They grip and go upwind really well and shed canton type weed.
www.makanifins.com/collections/windsurfing-fins/products/hahalua-v2-weed-freerace-1
Thanks. If it goes as well in the falcon as they do in the Xcross I'll be stoked!
Eckers from the Illawarra group has one and says it hangs on great in chop.
