Update:
Sponsorship announced, check thread
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN START YOUR ENGINES!
Challenge to Start: 1st May 2007 ending 31st Dec 2007.
Rules: Input now finalised, as per below. May have a review of rules after 2 months 30 June 2007.
Teams: At this stage 16 teams, more welcome.
Official nominations so far:
WA Mandurah Mob 9 team members
WA Team Pinna's 3 Team Members
WA Westozwind Warriors (Woodmans Point 1) 7 team members
WA Swan River Mob 5 team members (more to come)
WA Team Whippet (Woodmans Point 2) 4 team members
WA Speed Divas (All female Team) 5 team members (6)
QLD Burrum Heads Mob 7 team members
QLD FNQ Mob 3 team members
QLD Brizzy Crew 5 team members
QLD Team SEQ 5 team members
QLD Gold Coast 4 (5) team members
QLD CQ Ripple Riders 5 Team Members
SA Artheads,2 x M Team Members
NSW Cockroaches 10 team members
NSW Lake Macquarie 6 Team Members
VIC The Pit Crew (Sandy Point) 5 Team members
US Roos Gorge Cowboys (Ex-Pats Team) 2 (?) team members
Sponsor/s: Currently negotiating.
Website: Under construction by Zensoft who have generously donated website for data.
Trophys: Kato has donated his time, design skills and materials to develop and build trophies for the challenge.
Official Registration: I will be posting a registration form here or on the website, that everyone needs to download and fill in, and send back to me. More details to follow.
Interested Individuals without a team: I am asking teams who are wiling to accept more team members to advertise the fact. Mandurah Mob currently has 7, we are more of a social team, with a few serious heads, so more members are welcome.
Hardie
Pretty sure I am clear on it all now, except the Alpha racing bit.
The 'GPS Speed Team Challenge' rules refer to 5 categories (including Alpha racing).
My understanding of Alpha racing is that it includes 250m, 500m and 1000m categories. Certainly Realspeed provides for these 3 divisions.
I can't see anywhere in the GPS-STC rules which Alpha speed category
(250m, 500m or 1000m) we are using.
If this yet to be determined I'd suggest the 500m.
Cheers
25
Conditions of Entry:
I think I will need everyone to sign a document saying they understand the risks of windurfing and will not make any claims for damages against the organisers. This will be posted soon.
Rules:
No limit to number of members per team.
No limit to teams per state.
The competition is teams vs teams based.
To qualify for a team session, at least two team members must have sailed that day and recorded results. Individual results alone, will not be counted towards a team session. Using only the best team nmembers to post a result is not in the spirit of the challenge.
Sessions will be defined as windsurfing sessions by team members on the same date, location can be diferent for different team members.
There will be 5 measurement categories.
2 sec peak;
5 x 10sec average;
1 hour;
Alpha Racing 500m;
Nautical Mile.
NB. If the data base allows there will also be an "Overall" category
Teams that don't supply a session score/time/result for a category in any month will be awarded the maximum points.
Measurement Definitions:
Each session to be recorded, will be the average score of the team for each category.
Average being the sum total divided by number of team members participating on that day.
Measurement Method:
Speeds recorded must be from using a recognised GPS and recognised software, as described by GPSSS site, NB The Rules Committee may define it's own rules for the purposes of this challenge.
Special Note:
Technical Advisers: Roo and Slowboat.
For those that don't know Roo, he has done deveopment work on the NAVi GPS. Slowboat is one of Australia's top GPSSS sailors and has extensive experience with multiple GPS systems.
In my opinion for the purposes of this competition the following GPS's are vaild, this list can be added to if approved by people people who are technologically knowlegeable in this area:
NAVI GT11
Garmin Foretrex Series
Garmin Gecko Series
Sessions for the teams will be submitted by the team captain.
The Team Captain will collate team sessions and select the best team session for each month.
Session results will be supplied/recorded monthly.
These sessions will be collated each month , and a score awarded in each category from lowest to highest.
eg. if there are 16 teams in a given category that have submitted a time these will be awarded points according to rank ordering. from a 1 for best time/speed, to 16 for worst. This is done in each category, with the team having the lowest points for the month, being the leading team for the month.
NB> Due to the technical wizardry by ZENSOFT, it may now be possible to upload data on a daily basis, and the data base will automatically update itself, in a rank ordered fashion.
Scoring/Results:
Results will be posted on the internet website each month (See NB> above). (A month is enough of a period to give hopefully suitable condions for all, and one session per category per month is a way of avoiding data overload).
Winning team/s each month can have bragging rights for that month.
Verification of results, needs to be possible, therefore each team members session results needs to be available for scrutiny. (This may be requested at random, or all results need to be forwarded to event organiser at end of the month)
Monthly scores are summed (added) for the number of months the competition runs.
The team that has the lowest score in each category over the period of the challenge is proclaimed the winner and awarded the trophy.
An overall category (And Challenge Winner) is the team that has the lowest score across all 5 categories over the 8 months, and will be GPS Speed Team Challenge Winner/Champion.
Duration of competition:
First results for the month of May must be submitted by 7th of June 2007 (Note NB> above), as all team speeds need to be recorded within 7 days of the end of each month.
The competition runs till 31/12/07.
Hey hardie, got some more lake mac team members, so far
sam
muz
nathan
byron
steve
rosey
thanks sam
quote:
Each session to be recorded, will be the average score of the team for each category.
Average being the sum total divided by number of team members participating on that day.
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Originally posted by vandoquote:
Each session to be recorded, will be the average score of the team for each category.
Average being the sum total divided by number of team members participating on that day.
I don’t think this will work unless there are equal sailors in each team.
Another way is to take the average of the top 3 speeds in each division for the month.
So what do people think is the fairest way to work out how team speeds are calculated?
average of top 3 or 5 would be suitable - a bit like the GPS results (eg: 5x 10sec). Not too many people so as to bring the results too low for each team, but enough so that its not just the fastest guy on the water.
Average of all the sailors in a team works for me... if you want 20 people in your mob then that's your call. If you want to be a total speed freak then you're already on GPS-speedsailing or whatever that site is so really this is all about having an excuse to go sailing:
"But come on sweetie, all the other boys in the team are going sailing today, and if I don't go then our score doesn't count! Honeybunches? I'll buy you flowers, I promise?"
im keen for a point walter crew i got myself and one or mabye two of me mates my gps isnt computer compatible is trust enough or what i duno ill still be goin out so doesnt realy matter
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Originally posted by payno
im keen for a point walter crew i got myself and one or mabye two of me mates my gps isnt computer compatible is trust enough or what i duno ill still be goin out so doesnt realy matter
This is a bit tricky I agree.
As I understand it the rule is:
1 - average of best two (minimum) sailor speeds, same day, can be different location, constitutes a session result for a particlar category
The benefits of this arrangement are that teams can record results on the maximum number of sailing days per month with a minimum number of sailors. I know my team (Swan River Mob) are all in full time 5 day per week employment and getting more than two on the water on any given front will be a stretch (we all know the best winter fronts all pass through Perth Monday through Friday between 9am and 5pm).
Some have suggested/implied that this rule might not be workable or may be inequitable and that the rule should require an average of 3 or 5 sailor speeds.
I believe that if we are to change the rule such that the average of the best 3 or 5 times were to constitute a team session on a particular category then this will disadvantage teams whose members are in full time 5 day per week employment. Dawn patrols and twilight interludes are OK but should not be the only way to participate!
Participation and the spirit of competition are the underpinning themes here - lets try it as Hardie has conceived first up before we go changing.
Hey Hardie - rack up 2 more for SRM - Ado (O) and the Claude (GM)
25
very quick Hardie - probably no more to come for SRM mate;)
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Originally posted by elmo
Bloody hell 25
Thats a who's who list
You are our gun speedster!
25 we had better find a team lawyer to advise us on the rules.... coz its doing my head in....
Comrade Snides
(not wanting to borrow the cred of Kremlin)
I think the Hard one will finalise the rules soon and it will all be clear.
Max participation = min required sailor speeds per day + max sailor speed options per month.
The original aim = Max participation
25
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Originally posted by snides8
got it! sail fast....ummmm... easier said than done me thinks :)
Guys, thanx for all your input, much appreciated.
Let's see this as the inaugural running of this challenge/competition, or see it as a Pilot program
From just floating an idea about 3 weeks ago we have 16 teams from Australia wide, with another 5 teams thinking about entering, and one of those teams, being an all women's team. I haven't counted but it's around 80+ (Just counted 84) individuals have registered with another 20 or so having expressed interest. There are a lot of windsurfers that don't even know about this site.
I have been approached by 5 sponsors who are all interested and see the potential of this challenge, I have been notified, that there are another 2 sponsors interested. So you can see we have tapped into something. I'm an ideas man, I can lead and inspire, but I'm not necessarily a very good manager, so that side of things, will probably be legitamately criticised. be patient, and if this works it can be bigger and better next year, we could even go international
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Re Rules, Getting the best sponsorsip etc I can't say I'm either experienced or very good at it. I hope no-one is mortgaging their house on this comp? Don't take it too seriously just yet, but for those that want it desperately serious, then let's build something here, and see what we can do for next year!!!
There are many possibilities for 2008.
If we see this as a pilot, we can work out what rules work and what don't, and what people want out of this.
We may get a ranking system out of the pilot challenge and run 2, 3 or 4 divisions next year, from seriously competitive, fun competitive, to just social teams. So you serious guyz, and I encourage you to be as competitive as possible on the water, and use this as an oppurtunity to get a ranking for next year. (Who wants to be in Division 1!!!!!) Different sponsors could then sponsor different divisions.
The possibilities are endless.
This has arisen for several reasons. One, the internet, and the forum on this site. 2 GPS which provides an objective measure. And most importantly our passion for the sport!!!!
Remember the philosophy: Inclusiveness; Participation; Fun; and Building Relationships.
You hotshots think about this: Some of the lesser competitors will feel great just being in a team with you. Your speeds will lift the team average, and they will cheer for you. You have an oppurtunity to mentor, to educate, and to inspire. Put some value on these things, I think they matter even more than winning.
PS. I'm organising to blow up the sandy point sandbar!
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Originally posted by decrepit
Thus spake the real hardie you guys don't see very often.
Hardie,
You being an ideas man, do you realise the monster you have created. Just when the wife, girlfriend & lovers think they have us to themselves for winter you put an end to it.
How can we ever THANK YOU?
The Burrum Heads Mob has now grown from 2 to 7 members,some we havent meet yet, so your idea & main objective is working even before the event starts.
Good luck to all the teams & we invite you all to visit our waters when in sunny Qld.
Hardie rules!
Each team's captain can post the speeds for their team on the WindWarrior need4speed database... with enough team based speeds registered, a separate Team Top 10 Table will appear
Not a stand alone detailed database like what is being planned and designed for the Speed Team Challenge, but a simple and easy to read list running within/alongside the need4speed listings
Just our way of throwing some support at the Speed Team Challenge as it develops...
Hey Team LakeMacq.
If your interested I can plot your travels on an aerial photo of the Lake if you want.
It could be interesting to see your sailing areas in the lake and how far you travel etc.
All I need is a dump from the gps to load onto my works GIS program.
If your interested give me a call and I will give you my work email.
Hardie,
Are we going to use the GPSSS rules regarding 2 second sampling on the GPS's.
JB
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Originally posted by JayBee
Hardie,
Are we going to use the GPSSS rules regarding 2 second sampling on the GPS's.
JB
From www.gps-speedsurfing.com/default.aspx
5. GPS Track Setup ? 2 seconds
Interval: Track setup in GPS must be at 2 second interval. Distance: This setting is not allowed anymore because it can give too much variation in the track and we want to have one single setting so there can be no discussion about the speeds. AUTO: Never use the AUTO function or save a track in your GPS. This way you will loose valuable track data. WAAS: Also do not use the WAAS function. In some areas of the world this has caused problems with the tracks.
Any posted session that is based on a track that has been at AUTO setting, has too much variation and/or spikes can be discarded by a RTK. If you are not sure about a track then first contact your RTK before posting a session.
JB
