2007 GPS Team "Challenge" Begins 01/05/07

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Originally posted by hardie

Thanx for all thge replies so far.

It will be impossible to keep everyone happy on this one.

I think the "Keep It Simple" philosophy needs to win out here. Re GPS Max Display, it is simple, verifiable for every sailor after each run, no need for downloads, and The most respected speed sailor in Aus came up with some technical reasons for it. This is not the World Champoinship of speed, ISSR ratified, it's just for fun and participation.

The GPSSS is for the more serious and technically minded, so no need to duplicate what they are doing, if ya only wanna be deadly serious then stay with the GPSSS.

At this stage there hasn't been a huge amount of interest with only one team from WA and one team from NSW, and one victorian individual. If Sponsors wanna try and push it by advertising it more seriously, and get more interest, then I'll leave that to them.

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Hi Hardie,

i wouldn't worry to much about the slow response rates. i believe with all of these things it's a case of build it and they will come.

one thing i have found organising events over the last year is that not everyone will hit the send button. with some events i've done i've had only 4-5 people email me but have seen 20-30 turn up on the day. i think that just reflects the surfer heart that lies within most windsurfers. casual and relaxed. it's good to see you trying none the less.

you can count me in on things. i know that there are a few guys in brissy talking about it.

my 2 cents worth :-

i'm not bothered either way if it's max speed display or 5x10 sec average. i'll still have fun. although the 5x10 sec average has been adopted by most for very good reasons. some of the tracks i have verified in the past have had max speeds of 2000 knots. plus each gps reads differently so the averages make it more real. but max display opens it to people with lesser featured gps devices.

i think for prizes lucky draws work the best. gives the average blokes a chance.

my last idea and one i have had for a while is to do something which may apeal to your "Comrades" and is seeing things from a different perspective too! why not have a rocket air category. gps devices also measure height. give the wave guys something to go for.
all you do is minus the max height from the average heaight taken from the session when sailing along normally.

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Originally posted by yoyo

"why not have a rocket air category. gps devices also measure height..."

Not with any accuracy. Vertical accuracies with consumer gps units of 10-20 meters are not uncommon.

see here for detailed explanation..

weather.gladstonefamily.net/gps_elevation.html

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bugger, didn't realise it was that inaccurate. read through the links. cheers.

but as i am ever the optimist. wouldn't the inaccuracy be substantially reduced if you take the average height away from the max height. all you are left with is a figure in meters.

All sounds like fun, I'de be keen if i could jump on a Perth or say Mandarah team. New to Perth and an ex Sandy Point tryhard speedster.
So could get back into my favourite part of winsurfin, crashin 35kn+, breaking gear. Windsurfing Shops here i come....!

Lenny

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Originally posted by wesdawindat

All sounds like fun, I'de be keen if i could jump on a Perth or say Mandarah team. New to Perth and an ex Sandy Point tryhard speedster.
So could get back into my favourite part of winsurfin, crashin 35kn+, breaking gear. Windsurfing Shops here i come....!

Lenny

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You're welcome to join our team, however, 25 is getting a perth team togther, so whatever suits you better?

Re: winter conditions = wild and stormy to totally calm disappointment

We have some winter runs sussed which will not be publicly advertised, but if you are serious you can join us on our trecks, but public divulgement of these spots could cost you your.........

Sweet thanks hardie, sounds good can make up the numbers if ones short or whatever, look forward to it. Bring on the Fronts.

The SP advantage???? not realy sure what this is. top speed spot.
Is it the 5kn out going tide when the SWester blowin down the speed course?

Hey Mat your so tinny with the prizes too in the comps......
Any handycap ya wanna give yaselves down at the pit im sure would be welcomed

Sounds bloody good to me. Best bit is I only have to play, and log and get tips from all the Guru's. Somebody is doing all the back ground work You are good at it but and we all think your a fine upstanding chap
Seriously though, big thanks for your effort here. And its only in its infancy
Will travel to play, so dont hide the good tracks too much
Mineral

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Originally posted by black dog

sorry i think I am missing something here, any help in seeing the light would be gladly appreciated

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The challenge gives us an oppurtunity to set up a data base, similar to GPSSS.

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Doesn't the need4speed database on the windwarrior site offer the same thing ?
I thought the point of the need4speed was a free database and 'friendly' comp for those not interested or able to perform at the GPS Speed Sailing level or without the restrictions imposed by GPS SS .
Aussie sailors recording their speeds registered in Australian waters
By the looks there are now categories for each state so if you can't claim the 'overall' bragging rights you still have the chance to claim it for your state ?

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Windwarrior is one of the major sponsors, so this team based comp will sit along side Need4Speed. Nothing is finalised yet, but I imagine at this stage that part of their sponsorship will be to set up this data base and maintain it.

Inclusiveness, Participation, Fun and Building Relationships are the key, participate and do it for fun, or get as seriously competitive as you want! Something for everyone!!!!!! Already people are forming teams all around australia, so the relationship building is already happening. The Mandurah Mob has no intentions of winning anything except increasing our involvement and having fun together.

If this proves successful, it can only grow, but hopefully with the 4 aforementioned philosophical points at its core, or else it will lose something.

hi hardie, love your work so far.

all the categories sound brilliant. alpha being my favourite.

keeping it team based is a must for me. what do we do there. add all the times up and divide by the number of members to get the final figure from each team.

also there is a way of watching all the gps tracks overlayed on the web. for example with the alpha class it would be like a virtual slalom race.

cheers.

aaaargh begone evil gybing

so what is alpha racing?

thanks. Looks good. Not.

I vote for alpha as well... there are many different competitions where all you've got to do is put up a big expensive sail and then sail broad. Alpha would give the poor guys a bit of a chance

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Originally posted by Nick Willey

How do we nominate a team for this GPS Winter Storm Challenge.
I sail in Mackay and have a team of 4 ready to go.
Call us the CQ Ripple Riders

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Sorry Nick

Under the thread

"Nominate your GPS team here!!!!!!!"

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27730