Select to expand quotePacey said..
First sail on the cruise missile today, went out overpowered with a 7.0m Mach2 in 20+knots of wind at Liptons. Board was excellent, nice and fast, able to sail fairly deep downwind in chop without feeling sketchy. Went upwind well, despite only having a 20cm Lockwood Delta on.
Best thing was the gybing, it's amazing. In over 40 years of windsurfing I've only had one other board that gybed like this, like it was on a rail in the water. I've been wanting to get that feel back, and this board has it. In flat water you go into the gybe as fast as you like, lean in hard and it bites in and carves around like a carving turn on snow skis. It felt great.
Even better thing is how well the colour scheme coordinates with my sails, great forward planning Neil!
Didn't need to see that picture, that place looks great and now I really want to go sailing but can't due to broken foot from last weeks epic session.
oh, And couldn't be bothered to read all the other stuff but my 2 cents, short and wide planes early but skinny has higher top end.
Select to expand quotePacey said..
First sail on the cruise missile today, went out overpowered with a 7.0m Mach2 in 20+knots of wind at Liptons. Board was excellent, nice and fast, able to sail fairly deep downwind in chop without feeling sketchy. Went upwind well, despite only having a 20cm Lockwood Delta on.
Best thing was the gybing, it's amazing. In over 40 years of windsurfing I've only had one other board that gybed like this, like it was on a rail in the water. I've been wanting to get that feel back, and this board has it. In flat water you go into the gybe as fast as you like, lean in hard and it bites in and carves around like a carving turn on snow skis. It felt great.
Even better thing is how well the colour scheme coordinates with my sails, great forward planning Neil!
What speeds, alpha did you post?
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..
What speeds, alpha did you post?
Nothing yet, my Motion logger was flat when I tried to turn it on. Hope to get similar breeze today so will get some speeds and maybe some gopro video today
Select to expand quotemikey100 said..
Just go to the gym and you can just pump anything on to the plane... I did. 
You been working out Mikey
Sailed at Coodanup with Fangy today, not much breeze (about 15 knots) so a good test of the board's lighter wing capabilities. Had on a Severne Overdrive M2 7.8m, while Fangy had an 8.5m.
Board performed well, just under 28 knots on the GPS, good speed for the conditions. Fangy had a go towards the end while I held his gear. I think he was suitably impressed.
Select to expand quoteIan K said..duzzi said..
The differential in displacement speed due to length is trivial, you are taking fractions of a knot.
The displacement speed in knots is 1.34 times the square root of the waterline length in feet. For a 9.3 foot board that,s 4.1 knots for a 7.5 foot board it's 3.7 knots. But it's more than that. Upwind angles are dependant on drag and if you back the 9'4'' board back to 3.7 knots, when the wind fades a nautical mile offshore, it will fly upwind (in comparison). Much less tiring maintaining straight and level on a board with an extra foot of length.
At the peak of the "go shorter" push I had a Naish Hybrid 7 foot zero. It had some good points but I did once get caught out, windless, a nautical mile or more off Broulee Island. I replaced it with the longest free ride available at that time 7'10". A world of a difference. I suspect a 9'4" board would almost qualify as seaworthy.
As I said: fractions of a knot. (And do remember to use the waterline, not the total length ) What matters is the length of the flat at the bottom and the aspect ratio. Yes, a 100 cm Formula digs a wider "hole" in the water than a 50 cm wide board of equal volume, and that makes digging out of the hole into a plane harder. But I just do not believe that a 135 Patrik F-Ride or a 130L Patrik F-Race would have any disadvantage when it comes to early planing with respect to a board that is just 10 cm or so narrower.
Performance in high seas is an irrelevant discussion. Any 130-135L boards would be fairly miserable in conditions with high wind, chop, and swell. These are boards for the conditions depicted in the video above. Having said that you would not catch me dead in high wind situations with a 90L 1980-1995 long/narrow style board!
Select to expand quotePacey said..
Sailed at Coodanup with Fangy today, not much breeze (about 15 knots) so a good test of the board's lighter wing capabilities. Had on a Severne Overdrive M2 7.8m, while Fangy had an 8.5m.
Board performed well, just under 28 knots on the GPS, good speed for the conditions. Fangy had a go towards the end while I held his gear. I think he was suitably impressed.
What can be more fun that flat water blasting? Not sure why I don't do it anymore
Select to expand quotePacey said..
Sailed at Coodanup with Fangy today, not much breeze (about 15 knots) so a good test of the board's lighter wing capabilities. Had on a Severne Overdrive M2 7.8m, while Fangy had an 8.5m.
Board performed well, just under 28 knots on the GPS, good speed for the conditions. Fangy had a go towards the end while I held his gear. I think he was suitably impressed.
Nice vid Andy, looks like Fangy's frothing
I don't agree with Duzzi - I reckon the board will be a weapon for ocean blasting in big swells 
Select to expand quoteIan K said.. >>> they might as well bring back one piece masts to put up there on the roof racks as well. 300 grams lighter, uniform flex, the end of the "stuck mast" thread....
I never left mate, it's why I don't go for vans, roof racks too high to get at my masts.
Select to expand quotePacey said..
Sailed at Coodanup with Fangy today, not much breeze (about 15 knots) so a good test of the board's lighter wing capabilities. Had on a Severne Overdrive M2 7.8m, while Fangy had an 8.5m.
Board performed well, just under 28 knots on the GPS, good speed for the conditions. Fangy had a go towards the end while I held his gear. I think he was suitably impressed.
Yep I had a quick spin uphill and down on Pacey's board. My thoughts on the board are -
- Pacey didn't let me have it for long enough.
- The board is wasted on Pacey and should be donated to a deserving individual who looks just like me.
- Srsly, as I said in the vid, Neil has delivered everything on our wish list and delivered it in truckloads.
- I had my Xantos310 and Simmer8.5, so by comparison the board felt like feather light and so much fun/easy to throw around in the chop lines. Beautiful long lines on the tail, it's a joy to carve around - I think gybing on ocean swells would be fab.
- Getting on the plane with Pacey's little hanky of a sail was unbelievably easy, and it had that long board smooth transition that I love - no hectic bump to get over, just sit back and let the long rocker waterline do the work.
- I could not really assess the speed - I went faster on the Xantos310, but I had a bigger sail and more pressure to work with. Having said that,I was coasting at 28 knots and the board felt like it was in second gear with a lot more to give. I would love to have a decent breeze to explore the top end because I am sure its going to quick.
- Bloody good job Neil
Select to expand quotefangman said..
Yep I had a quick spin uphill and down on Pacey's board. My thoughts on the board are -
- Pacey didn't let me have it for long enough.
- The board is wasted on Pacey and should be donated to a deserving individual who looks just like me.
- Srsly, as I said in the vid, Neil has delivered everything on our wish list and delivered it in truckloads.
- I had my Xantos310 and Simmer8.5, so by comparison the board felt like feather light and so much fun/easy to throw around in the chop lines. Beautiful long lines on the tail, it's a joy to carve around - I think gybing on ocean swells would be fab.
- Getting on the plane with Pacey's little hanky of a sail was unbelievably easy, and it had that long board smooth transition that I love - no hectic bump to get over, just sit back and let the long rocker waterline do the work.
- I could not really assess the speed - I went faster on the Xantos310, but I had a bigger sail and more pressure to work with. Having said that,I was coasting at 28 knots and the board felt like it was in second gear with a lot more to give. I would love to have a decent breeze to explore the top end because I am sure its going to quick.
- Bloody good job Neil
Yes, it wasn't a day to evaluate speed, the only time I lined up behind you I was catching up, but I think both of us were nowhere near full pressure.
That said, I'm definitely not man enough to sail your barge with an 8.5m. I was on it for about 5 minutes and I would post the video except it is mostly expletives and derisive laughter. I can definitely see a modern replacement in your future.
Here's a short vid showing the Cruise Missile in ocean conditions off Cottesloe today. Wind was a little patchy and I was running a 6.3 Loft Racing Blade sail with a 32cm weedy. The board handled beautifully in the chop / swells so looking forward to more days like this. Very dry and comfortable ride fanging through the troughs.
Some drone footage of the new Cruise Missile taken yesterday near Point Walter on the Swan River in Perth
Select to expand quoteCrimsonFlash said..
Some drone footage of the new Cruise Missile taken yesterday near Point Walter on the Swan River in Perth
The front seems to be riding a bit high
Maybe you should have a 6 pack in that netting in front of the mast to help hold it down
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..CrimsonFlash said..
Some drone footage of the new Cruise Missile taken yesterday near Point Walter on the Swan River in Perth
The front seems to be riding a bit high
Maybe you should have a 6 pack in that netting in front of the mast to help hold it down
Most WTs are designed to only ride on the back of the board. That's why ( talking from my experience of the Silver Bullitts) they are a lively fast ride but still have the benefit of the extra length .The length makes them more user friendly and comfortable to slog and the nose rides high above the chop.
The cruise missiles are a bit cruiser than the Silver Bullitts but I imagine the concept is the same.
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..CrimsonFlash said..
Some drone footage of the new Cruise Missile taken yesterday near Point Walter on the Swan River in Perth
The front seems to be riding a bit high
Maybe you should have a 6 pack in that netting in front of the mast to help hold it down
Looking at the vid i was thinking the same but not that the nose is high more it looks like the tail is burried. Looks draggy.
Select to expand quoteGestalt said..aeroegnr said..CrimsonFlash said..
Some drone footage of the new Cruise Missile taken yesterday near Point Walter on the Swan River in Perth
The front seems to be riding a bit high
Maybe you should have a 6 pack in that netting in front of the mast to help hold it down
Looking at the vid i was thinking the same but not that the nose is high more it looks like the tail is burried. Looks draggy.
I did 33.8 knots on mine a few days ago in about 20 knots of wind, fastest speed at Liptons that day, second fastest Pinna for the day. It's a quick board, trims nicely at speed, doesn't ride nose high.
It's also a great board in other ways, look at the spray it throws in a carving gybe, the stability and speed maintenance through the turn is impressive.
Select to expand quotePacey said..Gestalt said..aeroegnr said..CrimsonFlash said..
Some drone footage of the new Cruise Missile taken yesterday near Point Walter on the Swan River in Perth
The front seems to be riding a bit high
Maybe you should have a 6 pack in that netting in front of the mast to help hold it down
Looking at the vid i was thinking the same but not that the nose is high more it looks like the tail is burried. Looks draggy.
I did 33.8 knots on mine a few days ago in about 20 knots of wind, fastest speed at Liptons that day, second fastest Pinna for the day. It's a quick board, trims nicely at speed, doesn't ride nose high.
It's also a great board in other ways, look at the spray it throws in a carving gybe, the stability and speed maintenance through the turn is impressive.
thats impressive pacey ,you must be stoked ....
Select to expand quotePacey said..Gestalt said..aeroegnr said..CrimsonFlash said..
Some drone footage of the new Cruise Missile taken yesterday near Point Walter on the Swan River in Perth
The front seems to be riding a bit high
Maybe you should have a 6 pack in that netting in front of the mast to help hold it down
Looking at the vid i was thinking the same but not that the nose is high more it looks like the tail is burried. Looks draggy.
I did 33.8 knots on mine a few days ago in about 20 knots of wind, fastest speed at Liptons that day, second fastest Pinna for the day. It's a quick board, trims nicely at speed, doesn't ride nose high.
It's also a great board in other ways, look at the spray it throws in a carving gybe, the stability and speed maintenance through the turn is impressive.
great stuff. keep the gps feedback coming.
Vid from last week on a 20-25kt westerly. Fun chasing Fangman across the Peel Inlet (South Yunderup WA) on his new Cruise Missile. Running a 20cm Delta fin with 6.3m Loft Racing Blade.
Select to expand quotePacey said..Gestalt said..aeroegnr said..CrimsonFlash said..
Some drone footage of the new Cruise Missile taken yesterday near Point Walter on the Swan River in Perth
The front seems to be riding a bit high
Maybe you should have a 6 pack in that netting in front of the mast to help hold it down
Looking at the vid i was thinking the same but not that the nose is high more it looks like the tail is burried. Looks draggy.
I did 33.8 knots on mine a few days ago in about 20 knots of wind, fastest speed at Liptons that day, second fastest Pinna for the day. It's a quick board, trims nicely at speed, doesn't ride nose high.
It's also a great board in other ways, look at the spray it throws in a carving gybe, the stability and speed maintenance through the turn is impressive.
My experience gybing the Silver Bullits. I've had the WT64 for 6 months the 57 for only a month and a half? I was mostly getting my gybes in the chop although not as successful with the smaller board ( stronger wind and bigger chop plus I've only been on it a few times).
I decided to get some practise in flatwater to get my planing gybes going..
I got some tips from Neil who said get forward and commit more. I've been putting my front foot further forward than I do on my isonics..
I'm starting to come good . I got one really powered up one on the 57..It felt amazing! It just sliced through like it was on rails..
I've never felt that before on my other boards..
So still a way to go but boy I'm enjoying the journey.. I realised that before I was bouncing around on the tail..They are really forgiving so you can get away with that but it feels much better now engaging the rail like I'm supposed to..
Totally agree on the 57, at Neil's recommendation I now put my foot much further forward than I'm used to, pretty much right next to the front foot strap. The bouncing is gone and it makes for a smooth strap to strap gybe.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Totally agree on the 57, at Neil's recommendation I now put my foot much further forward than I'm used to, pretty much right next to the front foot strap. The bouncing is gone and it makes for a smooth strap to strap gybe.
I do a step gybe , I'm also stepping right up near the mast after the flip.. I do that on my iso's too and it works well especially if the water is too shallow..
I had someone ask how I caught up with Fangy so quickly in the vid from a few days ago. He told me after the session that he was overcooked and overfinned so wasn't in the zone with his first go on the new board. Either that or he was just toying with me as he caught me up again a bit later in the vid. Whatever the reason, it was a hoot and we both managed to survive many nasty looking weedburgs!
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I had someone ask how I caught up with Fangy so quickly in the vid from a few days ago. He told me after the session that he was overcooked and overfinned so wasn't in the zone with his first go on the new board. Either that or he was just toying with me as he caught me up again a bit later in the vid. Whatever the reason, it was a hoot and we both managed to survive many nasty looking weedburgs!
Pfft... The reason is selective editing. Whaty actually happened was I spent several hours smashing Dan and did several nude forward loops over his head with my girlfriend on my back, all while overtaking him going uphill and restocking his 6 pick of pink Vodka mixers in his cargo net...^^^Fake New peeps move along...
For those who want to crush the last hour at work - I posted my review of the WT Cruise in Gear reviews thread.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Review/WindTech-Cruise-Missile-9-4-?page=1#lastpost
