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Severne Alien foil board

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Created by WaveMuppet > 9 months ago, 7 May 2020
utcminusfour
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10 Dec 2020 8:02PM
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Swindy said..

utcminusfour said..
I dig that! Sensible proportions and volume with a user friendly volume distrubtuion. It looks sexy too! Good choice mate it will be a great all rounder! Given the front wing placement and large wing size on the super cruiser try sliding the sail all the way back in the track, particulary sails under 6m.





On my JP135 I set the base close to the back of the track and this is set at exactly the same distance from the front bolt hole. For lighter winds I would move it back a bit but I generally aim for being well powered up to a bit over powered when I sail. First time out on the board I cracked 23kn for the first time on the 1300 wing and just shy of a 20kn alpha. I also got my best ever hour on a foil at just under 18kn. So for how I like to ride I think I've got the balance sorted. I also never mess with the stab angle now I have a good mix of lift and speed from it.
When I do use the standard 1700 super cruiser wing which isn't often ATM, mast base position stays the same as the 1300. With the gtr on the JP 5cm further forward so I assume it will be the same on this board. I have kept the JP for now for when I want to chase some speed on the gtr as I want to preserve the nose on the new board for a while.

Thumbs up mate, sound like you got it sorted!

Paducah
2790 posts
11 Dec 2020 12:04AM
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Swindy said..

utcminusfour said..
I dig that! Sensible proportions and volume with a user friendly volume distrubtuion. It looks sexy too! Good choice mate it will be a great all rounder! Given the front wing placement and large wing size on the super cruiser try sliding the sail all the way back in the track, particulary sails under 6m.





On my JP135 I set the base close to the back of the track and this is set at exactly the same distance from the front bolt hole. For lighter winds I would move it back a bit but I generally aim for being well powered up to a bit over powered when I sail. First time out on the board I cracked 23kn for the first time on the 1300 wing and just shy of a 20kn alpha. I also got my best ever hour on a foil at just under 18kn. So for how I like to ride I think I've got the balance sorted. I also never mess with the stab angle now I have a good mix of lift and speed from it.
When I do use the standard 1700 super cruiser wing which isn't often ATM, mast base position stays the same as the 1300. With the gtr on the JP 5cm further forward so I assume it will be the same on this board. I have kept the JP for now for when I want to chase some speed on the gtr as I want to preserve the nose on the new board for a while.


Yes, it may well be that Severne already accounted for that when they placed the mast track.

I'm jealous of your speed. I think the Supercruiser is a great all-around set up with the newer small wings. If I had the money...

Swindy
WA, 456 posts
11 Dec 2020 6:14AM
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Paducah said..

Swindy said..


utcminusfour said..
I dig that! Sensible proportions and volume with a user friendly volume distrubtuion. It looks sexy too! Good choice mate it will be a great all rounder! Given the front wing placement and large wing size on the super cruiser try sliding the sail all the way back in the track, particulary sails under 6m.






On my JP135 I set the base close to the back of the track and this is set at exactly the same distance from the front bolt hole. For lighter winds I would move it back a bit but I generally aim for being well powered up to a bit over powered when I sail. First time out on the board I cracked 23kn for the first time on the 1300 wing and just shy of a 20kn alpha. I also got my best ever hour on a foil at just under 18kn. So for how I like to ride I think I've got the balance sorted. I also never mess with the stab angle now I have a good mix of lift and speed from it.
When I do use the standard 1700 super cruiser wing which isn't often ATM, mast base position stays the same as the 1300. With the gtr on the JP 5cm further forward so I assume it will be the same on this board. I have kept the JP for now for when I want to chase some speed on the gtr as I want to preserve the nose on the new board for a while.



Yes, it may well be that Severne already accounted for that when they placed the mast track.

I'm jealous of your speed. I think the Supercruiser is a great all-around set up with the newer small wings. If I had the money...


Unfortunately it's not one of the new wings, haven't seen any of them over here yet. It's from the wave range same as the 1700 SC wing and I've had it about 8 months.
I'm thinking of retro fitting a slingshot i65 wing to the super cruiser fuse for high winds as sb don't do one that small. Just need to grab one to measure it up and see if it is going to work. I'm also waiting for a 270 stab for stronger winds to see if that helps.

Grantmac
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13 Dec 2020 5:23AM
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Swindy said..

Paducah said..


Swindy said..



utcminusfour said..
I dig that! Sensible proportions and volume with a user friendly volume distrubtuion. It looks sexy too! Good choice mate it will be a great all rounder! Given the front wing placement and large wing size on the super cruiser try sliding the sail all the way back in the track, particulary sails under 6m.







On my JP135 I set the base close to the back of the track and this is set at exactly the same distance from the front bolt hole. For lighter winds I would move it back a bit but I generally aim for being well powered up to a bit over powered when I sail. First time out on the board I cracked 23kn for the first time on the 1300 wing and just shy of a 20kn alpha. I also got my best ever hour on a foil at just under 18kn. So for how I like to ride I think I've got the balance sorted. I also never mess with the stab angle now I have a good mix of lift and speed from it.
When I do use the standard 1700 super cruiser wing which isn't often ATM, mast base position stays the same as the 1300. With the gtr on the JP 5cm further forward so I assume it will be the same on this board. I have kept the JP for now for when I want to chase some speed on the gtr as I want to preserve the nose on the new board for a while.




Yes, it may well be that Severne already accounted for that when they placed the mast track.

I'm jealous of your speed. I think the Supercruiser is a great all-around set up with the newer small wings. If I had the money...



Unfortunately it's not one of the new wings, haven't seen any of them over here yet. It's from the wave range same as the 1700 SC wing and I've had it about 8 months.
I'm thinking of retro fitting a slingshot i65 wing to the super cruiser fuse for high winds as sb don't do one that small. Just need to grab one to measure it up and see if it is going to work. I'm also waiting for a 270 stab for stronger winds to see if that helps.


Gong wings fit almost perfectly on the SB fuselage, are much better built than Slingshot (owned all 3) and are available in a lot of different configurations in terms of aspect ratio/area etc....

Mort67
TAS, 423 posts
2 Feb 2021 7:12PM
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2 sails on this so far, both with a 4.2m in gusty westerlys. Sunday was about 15-20kts, and today was 20kts+, definitely felt overpowered today, but was still super fun.

Good things I noticed:
- Super nimble, you definitely feel the reduced swing weight. Didn't feel too big for my 75ish kg in 20kts.
- Seems super stiff under foot, just feels solid... Feels like my freestyle board does underfoot, without that slightly springy feeling you get with some of the lightweight slalom board constructions.
- Volume in the tail means its mega easy to slog when required.
- Foot strap positions are really comfortable, will see what its like when I get a chance with the bigger sails.
- No problems carving or sailing downwind with both feet in the straps.
- Massive amounts of nose rocker, so it really bounces off the water whenever you touch, with minimal speed loss. Saves you in a lot of occasions that previously would have meant coming to a dead stop.
- Had heaps of fun jumping it, was a bit over powered so no backloop attempts, but some fun rocket airs. Definitely feel the lack of nose in the air, and its really easy to control the board in the air even in gusty conditions. Still have plenty of speed left in the foil, so keen to see how it goes once I get a proper handle on it.
- Severne footstraps dont hold much water which is great.
- Works fine with the Flow1000 with -0.5deg rear stabiliser shim. Foot straps are both set up 1 hole from the front... pretty good guess and seems to be bang on.

Possibly bad things:
- Doesn't seem to pump very well, but its a bit hard to say in gusty 4.2 weather. And the sail isn't really soft and easy to pump. I suspect lack of water line length due to board length and extreme rocker, may work a little bit against the tail volume advantage, so this is still to be determined.
- I did find that the foot straps are a bit narrow, so had sore feet midway through the first session, it came good and no issues second session. Might just have gotten used to it?
- No goretex vent plug on this thing... I never touch my vent plug anyway, but some people prefer them. I thought most of the Severne boards had them...
- Trickier to uphaul than a standard length board. Need to put one foot just in front of mast, and back foot between front straps, and it will try and round up into the wind.
- Nose rocker means the nose will probably be pretty vulnerable to mast hits.

p.s. for SEQ sailors, Bongaree @ Bribie, is a million times better than Wello...








Stuffed the nose in the water
But saved by the nose rocker?

gybe entry

carving upwind




I finally picked up my 115 Alien today and had a brief sail in a marginal/gusty breeze.
I have sailed a JP135 up to now with NP Glide L/M/S wings (Medium today).
First impressions , I'd have to agree with Swoosh's comments generally (except the jumping bit)

It seems to do everything it says on the box!
Light, small (I'm 85kgs), pumps onto the foil well in footstraps and pumped really well in lulls, that was the biggest surprise for me. I think the footstrap position seemed to give a really positive pump and balance.
Touch downs were really soft and quick bounce back.
All in all, very happy and looking forward to giving it a go with the Small wing in a decent breeze. Today used M wing with 5.7 S1.
PS. I moved the front footstraps to the outer position cf. The picture.
Stoked
Mort





timbat
ACT, 48 posts
21 Feb 2021 8:47AM
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Anyone sailed with a fin ?

berowne
NSW, 1534 posts
21 Feb 2021 4:32PM
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I was wondering the same Thing....

Has anyone tried a fin? How does it rail, to windward? How much harder is it to gybe with such a wide tail,.... or does it help plane out of the turn?

Grantmac
2320 posts
21 Feb 2021 2:45PM
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Why? I mean seriously it is likely to be awful with a fin and have significantly less range on either end.

Mort67
TAS, 423 posts
21 Feb 2021 6:30PM
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Grantmac said..
Why? I mean seriously it is likely to be awful with a fin and have significantly less range on either end.


Likewise, I hadn't even thought about that. A couple of pics next to my JP135. Fairly significant differences in dimensions and I would think the
JP was a compromise with a fin (I only tried once or twice)





And next to an iSonic107. Footstrap locations similar, but that's all


Cheers, Mort

timbat
ACT, 48 posts
21 Feb 2021 7:23PM
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Grantmac said..
Why? I mean seriously it is likely to be awful with a fin and have significantly less range on either end.


Have a friend who is light at 50 kgs and uses a Hypersonic 105 as a light wind slalom board, an Alien would have more volume and be better for the 5m^2 they use in light winds ....

Mort67
TAS, 423 posts
21 Feb 2021 9:00PM
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timbat said..

Grantmac said..
Why? I mean seriously it is likely to be awful with a fin and have significantly less range on either end.



Have a friend who is light at 50 kgs and uses a Hypersonic 105 as a light wind slalom board, an Alien would have more volume and be better for the 5m^2 they use in light winds ....

I think mast track position might be the killer. Alien track is way back compared to JP135, and no overlap with the iSonic.

Here's a clip from today in action. Nice 15-18 knot wind, NP Glide Small foil and 4.7m Blade.

Cheers, Mort

Kayba
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22 Feb 2021 7:39PM
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Mort67 said..

timbat said..


Grantmac said..
Why? I mean seriously it is likely to be awful with a fin and have significantly less range on either end.




Have a friend who is light at 50 kgs and uses a Hypersonic 105 as a light wind slalom board, an Alien would have more volume and be better for the 5m^2 they use in light winds ....


I think mast track position might be the killer. Alien track is way back compared to JP135, and no overlap with the iSonic.

Here's a clip from today in action. Nice 15-18 knot wind, NP Glide Small foil and 4.7m Blade.

Cheers, Mort


Are you happy with the Alien and NP Glide small combo? I have the NP Glide Small as well and am thinking of getting the Alien 125. Not sure though if I should get the Redwing foil. Thanks

PatK
322 posts
22 Feb 2021 8:01PM
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Be aware that the 125 only has one (outer) strap position. All the other volume types do have more and inner plugs

che66er
17 posts
22 Feb 2021 8:13PM
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How is the alien 125 compared to a starboard 125 freeride board? Are they quite similiar in terms of footstrap positions, mast track and sailing mode?

Width and length are about the same I guess?!

Mort67
TAS, 423 posts
23 Feb 2021 6:43PM
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Kayba said..

Mort67 said..


timbat said..



Grantmac said..
Why? I mean seriously it is likely to be awful with a fin and have significantly less range on either end.





Have a friend who is light at 50 kgs and uses a Hypersonic 105 as a light wind slalom board, an Alien would have more volume and be better for the 5m^2 they use in light winds ....



I think mast track position might be the killer. Alien track is way back compared to JP135, and no overlap with the iSonic.

Here's a clip from today in action. Nice 15-18 knot wind, NP Glide Small foil and 4.7m Blade.

Cheers, Mort



Are you happy with the Alien and NP Glide small combo? I have the NP Glide Small as well and am thinking of getting the Alien 125. Not sure though if I should get the Redwing foil. Thanks


Hi Kayba,
I have the Large, Medium and Small for the NP Glide and tend to now use the M/S more than Large. I tend to use the Small wing when wind is strong (+20knots) or I'm a bit overpowered with sail selection (too lazy to rerig), as was the case above. I also prefer to have a bit of extra sail in case the wind drops off.

IMHO, you might be as well to pick up a Medium or Medium slim wing second hand to increase range. I definitely notice the difference going from Medium to Small.

I am very pleased that the 115 had inboard footstraps, as that has been my experience all along with Glide foils (inboard rear foot position). I haven't sailed the 125, nor the Starboard, so can't comment che66er.

Cheers, Mort

timbat
ACT, 48 posts
23 Feb 2021 9:05PM
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Anyone able to throw a tape measure on the Alien 115 and measure distance from back of mast track to the front foil/fin screw ?

Anyone used over 6m on the 115 ?

Mort67
TAS, 423 posts
24 Feb 2021 7:47AM
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timbat said..
Anyone able to throw a tape measure on the Alien 115 and measure distance from back of mast track to the front foil/fin screw ?

Anyone used over 6m on the 115 ?



Hereyago... on the track question.
For reference, the 125cm mark on the JP135 is equivalent to the #4 position on the Alien.
Haven't used bigger than 5.7m yet.
PS. I'm moving the rear strap positions back one hole to try.






Mort

timbat
ACT, 48 posts
24 Feb 2021 1:42PM
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Cheers!



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