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Gone form windfoiling to wingfoiling and not come back ?

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Created by normster > 9 months ago, 2 Apr 2021
azymuth
WA, 2153 posts
27 Apr 2021 9:06PM
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Faff said..Alas, an all too common story.
Sigh... wither windfoiling and windsurfing with it.


Some will return when winging frenzy levels off

Surprised how many started windfoiling but bailed for winging before getting skilled enough to experience the stoke of power-carving big ocean windswells downwind with a sail

aeroegnr
1731 posts
27 Apr 2021 9:41PM
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Tried winging, still interested but it's not my focus. Since grabbing the IQFoil kit my overall wind range extends so low that I can get out when wingers don't bother even with their 7.0s. Something about being able to pump a 9.0 in really light stuff and get moving in almost nothing, and I've still got lots of room for improvement with pumping efficiency to go even lower. The launch spot closest to me is light wind or patchy with lots of disorganized chop and swell (from seawall reflections) on windier days, which makes bigger front wings a handful. The race foil tends to just cut through all that.

If I had a shorter drive to some waves (and if it were normally windier here, which it isn't), I may have been more into getting into swell riding on a wingfoil or even a different windfoil board. But, if the conditions are like that, I can go out on a small windsurf board and not have to worry about carrying the wing through the shorebreak after carrying a heavy board/foil a quarter mile to the launch.

duzzi
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27 Apr 2021 10:33PM
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azymuth said..


Faff said..Alas, an all too common story.
Sigh... wither windfoiling and windsurfing with it.


Some will return when winging frenzy levels off
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I love wingfoiling!!!!!!!!!!! Never tried it myself and I do not plan too but it has completely eliminated Kites in at least one of my favorite spots! It is sooooooooo nice not to go around the beach with people flying or be dragged by 20 yards long devices and be on the water without having to worry about the same. It looks like kiters finally saw the light and realized what a cumbersome device a kite is. I really hope they do not go back!

CoreAS
923 posts
28 Apr 2021 2:01AM
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Winging for nearly 2 years now but I have gradually learned towards favoring higher winds and go to wind foiling in crapola gusty winds.

I can wind foil with a 4.5 and i76 on the wizard 130 liter in 12-20mph, much more fun with gybes, duck gybes, 360's, swell rides etc.

in winds 20+ I like to use a 4.0 wing with i84 and 5'8" 95liter... mowing the lawn in 10-15 with a 6.4 wing is starting to lose its gloss.

on loading up the car or time crunch where every rigging minute means getting rides or not, that needle points towards winging, one back pack with 2 wings, pump, 1 x foil, 1 x board...love that simplicity.

thedoor
2469 posts
28 Apr 2021 2:30AM
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So many advantages to winging. Seems to me that windfoilers tend to be faster than wingfoilers when using the same foil. Anyone else finding the same?

LeeD
3939 posts
28 Apr 2021 3:02AM
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Wing just sucks at Berkeley, when half the days are Westerly wind, and a 200-300 meter total slog in 1-3 knot breeze is a requirement both directions.
Windfoil, even with 85 liter boards, is doable, tho not fun.

BritWinger
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28 Apr 2021 3:48AM
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Winging looks fun on fat groundswells, and I can see the appeal for these conditions. Where I sail it's mostly flat/chop in foiling windranges, then windswell for windsurfing when it's 20kts+. Then again I love windfoiling in the groundswell on the odd occasion we get it.

I reckon windfoiling is just a harder sport in general, from gybing to wave-riding. People going winging are foil-gybing after a couple of sessions, but like CoreAS says - will that get boring in non-wave conditions because it's too easy and it's quite slow? Will, like in windsurfing, the good sailors be pushed to wave-only higher wind conditions and skip lower wind flat summer days?

I've been windfoiling a year, but still love flat water for freestyle. There are so many moves to learn in 12-15kts. Even just foiling out of a gybe with speed is still a great feeling.

Also, kit-wise a lot have been windfoiling on slalom/race type kit, which isn't going to be great on a wave, so people go over to winging. However, it's like saying windsurf wavesailing is rubbish when you've only tried it on a slalom board!

As ever, being able to do different sports in different conditions is going to be an advantage.

CoreAS
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28 Apr 2021 4:32AM
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BritWindfoiler said..
Winging looks fun on fat groundswells, and I can see the appeal for these conditions. Where I sail it's mostly flat/chop in foiling windranges, then windswell for windsurfing when it's 20kts+. Then again I love windfoiling in the groundswell on the odd occasion we get it.

I reckon windfoiling is just a harder sport in general, from gybing to wave-riding. People going winging are foil-gybing after a couple of sessions, but like CoreAS says - will that get boring in non-wave conditions because it's too easy and it's quite slow? Will, like in windsurfing, the good sailors be pushed to wave-only higher wind conditions and skip lower wind flat summer days?

I've been windfoiling a year, but still love flat water for freestyle. There are so many moves to learn in 12-15kts. Even just foiling out of a gybe with speed is still a great feeling.

Also, kit-wise a lot have been windfoiling on slalom/race type kit, which isn't going to be great on a wave, so people go over to winging. However, it's like saying windsurf wavesailing is rubbish when you've only tried it on a slalom board!

As ever, being able to do different sports in different conditions is going to be an advantage.


I agree, the groundswell is a major factor!

The days I do take a wing out and the wind is up and down like a rollercoaster my wind foiling buddies that don't wing are constantly moving.

Inland winging on a lake its it can be 8 gusting 20 so if you weigh north of 90 kg/200 lbs you have to wait longer for that gust line. Once up on the gust I can pump the wing/board and foil pretty much through any wind hole.

I don't like to carry crazy amount of kit, just makes decision making difficult! so wind foiling its 4.5, 5.0 (I'll throw in the 5.8 on super fluky days) and for winging I'll take a 4.0, 5.4.

There is sometimes an over lap between some sail sizes and wings and so I will select based on wind direction (how far the wind line is), water state and that afternoons forecast.



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